79586-80821

^ Colons (was Re: Why would you abandon Ruby? (was))
79586 [djkea2 mugca] You'll love this then. :-)
79609 [hal9000 hype] Yes, why?

^ At least one nasty person in your community
79587 [vanevery 3DP] Ok, I was going to say that although you're not as wonderfully welcoming as
+ 79593 [peter semant] Due to the length and verbosity of your whinges I would hazard a guess that
| 79617 [vanevery 3DP] No, it isn't.  You have a problem child.  Direct quote time, since you don't
| 79662 [mwilson13 co] Well, the above is inexcusable. However, how can one tell the source?
+ 79594 [jfh cise.ufl] Does one rude person a community make?
| + 79625 [vanevery 3DP] No, one crank does not a community make.  My concern is, how many more of
| + 79629 [tim remove_i] Is it really a community without at least rude person? [cue Sesame
|   79628 [vanevery 3DP] I dunno, I think your "grouch" is worthy of extremist talk show radio.  I
+ 79661 [sean cSePlso] I hope no one else is fooled by an obvious troller.  Please don't

^ This is a newsgroup, not a mailing list (was)
79588 [vanevery 3DP] Ok, you've got a former Newsgroup Proponent all riled up now.
+ 79591 [Patrick.Benn] FWIW, Brandon, I think you've hsndled yourself pretty well considering
| 79627 [vanevery 3DP] Truthfully, I'm not looking for 3D graphics solutions right now.  I'm
+ 79657 [sean cSePlso] What a lovely pointless discussion you have made here!  Bravo!  You know

^ Old guard FAQ culture
79592 [vanevery 3DP] You will notice that the above is a true, diplomatically nuanced statement,
+ 79601 [hgs dmu.ac.u] This seems rather harsh, given ....
| 79643 [vanevery 3DP] Sure.  Happy to send them... if I happen to have chosen to use my time to
+ 79603 [gsinclair so] OK, so you don't believe in something that most other people do
| 79656 [vanevery 3DP] I don't concede that point in general.  In general, a significant contingent
+ 79611 [dan tastapod] I never realised there was an RFC for netiquette
| 79659 [vanevery 3DP] Well, that's ridiculous.  If you believe we all have to go to town on
+ 79693 [dagbrown LAR] This is, indeed, abundantly evident.
+ 79699 [lucsky mac.c] Funny, Gavin gave you a pretty insightful (IMO) answer on your query

^ catalog.xml, any ruby tools?
79607 [0bz63fz3m1qt] I am writing some docbook documentation, If I understand correct
79610 [a.bokovoy sa] No but I can point you to libxml2 where xmlcatalog utility resides. Look
80047 [0bz63fz3m1qt] The xmlcatalog tool only confuses one more than it helps.

^ for/in loop
79613 [hal9000 hype] I have been thinking about "for" and "in"
+ 79619 [pbrannan atd] for i in [1, 2, 3]
| + 79632 [djd15 po.cwr] y = nil
| + 79633 [matz ruby-la] Yes, but it would work, when new scoping rule is introduced.
|   79666 [kdresner cs.] What do you mean by it would work?  The first one will raise a
|   79680 [hal9000 hype] I think it's a minor problem with Matz's English. I believe he
|   79707 [olivier jama] I think kurt was asking "which one of the two scenarios would be fixed by a
|   79734 [matz ruby-la] Sorry for confusion.
|   79742 [batsman.geo ] Are you sure you'll drop ':='?
|   79786 [matz ruby-la] Not a final decision.  But I feel like := can be abused (i.e. from my
|   79797 [markjreed ma] Do you have an explanation posted somewhere of why you feel block-local
|   79802 [pbrannan atd] If this is really a concern for you, it should probably be a sign that
|   79806 [brett_willia] The pitfall of block local variables (they way Ruby works now)...
+ 79631 [matz ruby-la] It won't.  It has long history way back in my university theses, from

^ Brandon's personal style (was)
79616 [vanevery 3DP] But nothing was aggressive/hostile to begin with.  I only started getting
+ 79622 [djd15 po.cwr] I imagine the answer to that is: to be polite.
+ 79652 [rpav users.s] He was being nice.  I will be less nice.
  79663 [tom infoethe] Yours,
  79867 [wjl icecaver] charset="iso-8859-1"

^ Build/ drb problems on Solaris with 6.2 sun compiler
79634 [michael.l.sc] This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
79639 [hgs dmu.ac.u] The quickest route for this in terms of human effort, in my

^ the fallacy of build it and they will come (was)
79636 [vanevery 3DP] Think about the stats in the Mindshare thread.  Ruby has got 1/3 to 1/5 the
+ 79648 [Ephaeton gmx] Some people see programming as an art. Others don't. Not all of you
+ 79651 [chad chadfow] There hasn't been a moment that I've used Ruby where I felt I was losing.
  79654 [app1tam ups.] Losing?  This thread is bizarre.  Are the 'Dulcimer Players of America'
  + 79668 [kdresner cs.] Amen.
  + 79892 [mgarriss ear] While I agree with you in princible I would have to point out that if a

^ Star in case statements
79649 [hal9000 hype] I just noticed something that I either didn't know
+ 79712 [lucsky mac.c] Ditto, I just noticed something that I didn't know while trying to
+ 79739 [martindemell] Very neat! I was gratified when I first discovered you could splat a
  79743 [dagbrown LAR] irb(main):001:0> *(1..10)
  79745 [martindemell] *(1..10) doesn't expand to [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10], it expands to

^ PLEASE STOP!
79650 [Dave PragPro] This is getting ridiculous.

^ Punctuation as noise
79655 [hal9000 hype] I've been thinking for a day or so about
+ 79677 [michael_s_ca] In my scrpts directory, I have a half dozen each very small ruby and perl
| + 79684 [hal9000 hype] That's interesting and surprising to me. Not only are they very
| | 79713 [0bz63fz3m1qt] I have just made a small script which can measure signal2noise
| | 79721 [0bz63fz3m1qt] There exists a grey area between alphanum and symbols.
| + 79695 [michael_s_ca] One thing I think I've noticed however is that the s:n code you posted takes
|   + 79706 [app1tam ups.] My grandfather was a student of language and a teacher.  He told me once
|   | 79710 [hal9000 hype] reader
|   | 79768 [drewmills ea] My point was that
|   + 79708 [rpav users.s] Another thing is that it doesn't take into account variance.  For
+ 79688 [pbrannan atd] Signal/noise: 458705/119801 =  3.8
| 79689 [pbrannan atd] Hmm, I just noticed that the script counts _'s as puntuation, and thus
| 79690 [hal9000 hype] Oh, thanks, have to regard that as a bug.
+ 79729 [emschwar pob] One of the hardest things for me to get used to in Ruby still is the
| 79805 [rpav users.s] Well, about semicolons, I dunno.  Statement ends at the EOL, unless it
| + 79809 [brett_willia] match-paren.  If I had a cursor on the beginning or end of the block, it
| | 80052 [austin halos] This is where I like the context-sensitive highlighting, but also the
| | 80139 [brett_willia] Yes, I'm just starting to touch the tip of the iceberg with vim folds.
| + 79812 [jason jasona] A tool to do this automatically would be pretty handy; any ideas?
|   79954 [rpav mephle.] I've been pondering an emacs function or two that builds a complete
+ 79760 [rnicz fibern] I think you would be pleased with FORTH language. In forth there is
+ 79762 [drosih rpi.e] I understand what idea you're getting at, but I think this
  79790 [hal9000 hype] Probably an accurate summary.

^ StringIO#binmode: bug in cgi.rb and yaml.rb
79658 [d.borodaenko] Sorry if Ruby 1.6 is an ancient history for some, but I still see a
79731 [nobu.nokada ] Latest StringIO (in shim for 1.6) has #binmode.

^ Gotta go!
79660 [vanevery 3DP] You're in luck!  Enjoy!
79670 [kdresner cs.] Hallelujah.

^ [Ruby/SDL] how do I inherit from SDL::CD ?
79667 [surrender_it] I gurus and nubys,

^ Sybase driver / client lib still alive?
79669 [zofa wyer.or] Is anyone still working on sybase ruby bindings?

^ [OT] Trollassassin
79673 [kdresner cs.] So, I had this idea, but I couldn't think of anywhere better to post it.
+ 79676 [Dave PragPro] trollassassin.
| + 79701 [hgs dmu.ac.u] You've got a copy of "Ruby in a Nutshell" on your desk, haven't you?
| + 79759 [dan tastapod] Thing is, you'd need three versions of it, because the first two
+ 79683 [hal9000 hype] Interesting idea, but some practical problems.
| 79697 [rpav users.s] Hmm, it seems to me this would make it _easier_ to do trollassassin.
| 79716 [mmirra liber] mismatching (consistently, *consistently* disagreeing), question to
+ 79686 [ruby effecti] If you let the Python folks know that Brandon is coming their way, don't be
+ 79687 [ruby effecti] If you let the Python folks know that Brandon is coming their way, don't be
+ 79694 [mikkelfj-ant] This is essentially boils down to an AI version of Big Brother.
  79723 [Golgatha gmx] This certainly would be the best working trollassasin. Since every fight

^ How do I handle an HTML form from ruby?
79678 [aix_tech yah] I am trying to learn how to manipulate HTML files with
79702 [rodrigo.berm] It is not easy as it seems....
79733 [aix_tech yah] No, I don't have an HTTP server running. I guess I
79752 [pit capitain] Ludwigi, I'm not sure what you want exactly.
79791 [aix_tech yah] OK, first thank you for your help.
79818 [app1tam ups.] Having Ruby start a browser with the correct form.html file is easy enough.

^ Using EXERB under Windows
79698 [hdahle yahoo] Does anybody have a pointer to an explanation on using EXERB under
79704 [achou tealea] This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

^ Story of B
79705 [mmirra liber] ======================================================================

^ Status of racc in 1.8.0?
79709 [google tompa] I'm trying to work out how much of racc is included in Ruby 1.8.0.
79714 [aamine lover] Yes.  Installing Racc 1.4.3 on the Ruby 1.8.0 is safe
79842 [google tompa] Great, thanks.

^ New price list for mp3 player, digital camera, cd/vcd/mp3 player and USB flash drive!
79711 [hongkonghy01] Dear valued customer,

^ New price list for mp3 player, digital camera, cd/vcd/mp3 player and USB flash drive!
79718 [lindafla eta] Dear valued customer,

^ signal/noise ratio changing for the worse :-|
79724 [ jupp gmx.de] Saluton!

^ New price list for mp3 player, digital camera, cd/vcd/mp3 player and USB flash drive!
79725 [frankhe1978 ] Dear valued customer,

^ Re: [OT][OT] Trollassassin - NetScan
79726 [mfp cs.mu.OZ] Microsoft has already created a usenet analysis tool that analyses all sorts
79850 [ jupp gmx.de] Saluton!

^ Line Noise (was Punctuation as noise)
79730 [jweirich one] I did something like this a while back when a Java programmer complained

^ Problems with pstore.rb under mod_ruby
79732 [bhoward hale] I have a web application that runs under mod_ruby and uses a pstore

^ One Module for one Class?
79735 [jeremy iamth] I'm planning on playing around with writing some sort of "package
+ 79736 [kdresner cs.] I suppose it depends on what kind of methods they are - for example, I
| 79738 [gsinclair so] [Damn this top-posting!]
| 79896 [jeremy iamth] This is another idea I like a lot.  I can see how this may help things
+ 79737 [brett_willia] My personal sense would be to represent some of these 'attributes' as
  79895 [jeremy iamth] I had thought of that, but I believe I chose poor wording in saying a

^ [OT] Re: Ruby for 3D graphics?
79741 [batsman.geo ] tail -f /var/spool/mail/username

^ [BUG] File.expand_path regression in 1.8.0
79748 [idan idanso.] File.expand_path seems to be much slower under ruby 1.8.0 when compared to
80027 [matz ruby-la] File.expand_path in 1.8 does a lot more than 1.6, for example, UNC
80028 [nobu.nokada ] This would improve it a little, though it can not defeat 1.6
80029 [matz ruby-la] I like this fix.  Commit this please.

^ Regular expression question
79749 [harryo qiqso] I'm sure this is trivial, but I don't have my Mastering Regular Expressions handy (and I haven't put sufficient effort into getting through it!).
+ 79765 [mike.woodhou] Typing straight from Mr Friedl, this is the java.util.regex version for
| 79846 [harryo zip.c] Thanks.
+ 79766 [dblack super] irb(main):006:0> str
  79796 [fxn hashref.] Harry asked for support for \"s inside strings as well. For that a bit
  79848 [harryo zip.c] This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

^ Class variables - a surprising result
79754 [jason jasona] class Sup
+ 79756 [Ephaeton gmx] Class variable allocation is per class scope, not per subclass scope.
| 79758 [david loudth] I was fooled by this as well. I don't know why I intuitively would
| + 79780 [xlucid users] A class-instance variable is one in which the scope is specific to a
| | 79798 [djd15 po.cwr] You are correct.  If you search the ruby-talk archives you'll find a
| + 79787 [matz ruby-la] They are variables.  If you can't update values, how they can be
|   + 79788 [Patrick.Benn] Obviously there's some confusion though Matz.
|   | 79815 [matz ruby-la] As far as I know, C++ and Java do not have class variables.  They have
|   | + 79819 [Patrick.Benn] My point was that many programmar's mistake Ruby's 'class' variables as
|   | | 79887 [matz ruby-la] I fell sympathy for your confusion.  Unfortunately I can't satisfy
|   | | + 79888 [gsinclair so] Interestingly, I find I never actually use class variables.  I don't know
|   | | | 79890 [rpav mephle.] I do regularly.  In many classes, I have a SQLIndex which helps me query
|   | | | + 79893 [mwilson13 co] BHoran/
|   | | | | 79950 [wsdng online] Some notes one that.
|   | | | + 79894 [patrick.benn] No, @variables are like normal instance variables in C++.  They
|   | | |   + 79898 [djd15 po.cwr] @variables are only like C++ instance variables when used within
|   | | |   | 79901 [patrick.benn] Geesh - sneaky stuff..  This kind of thing *definitely* violates the
|   | | |   | + 79902 [feldt ce.cha] Patrick Bennett <patrick.bennett@inin.com> skrev den Fri, 22 Aug 2003
|   | | |   | + 79903 [rpav mephle.] Definitely not.  One of the coolest things about ruby is that when you
|   | | |   | | 79908 [kdresner cs.] That is a really good way to think about it.  I think I like the way
|   | | |   | + 79906 [djd15 po.cwr] It can get sneakier.  There's more than one way to make a class instance
|   | | |   | + 79914 [gedb01 yahoo] It would be good if there was a cleaner way to do
|   | | |   |   + 79918 [dblack super] Keep in mind that what's happening here is, for the sake of
|   | | |   |   + 79952 [aero6dof yah] The beauty of ruby is that you can clean this up if you
|   | | |   |     + 79956 [nathaniel NO] class Foo
|   | | |   |     + 79958 [dblack super] That's a bit different from just a cleaning-up of the prying into an
|   | | |   |     | 79985 [aero6dof yah] The "static" term comes from C++ and/or Java where it declares
|   | | |   |     | 79992 [dblack super] Just to clarify: I know the term, and where it comes from (at least,
|   | | |   |     + 80122 [djd15 po.cwr] class Object
|   | | |   + 79905 [surrender_it] yet another point of misunderstood, I suppose :)
|   | | |     79907 [usenet1 nosp] Also not quite correct. A class in Java is an object. But you can't
|   | | + 79897 [drosih rpi.e] For what it's worth, what ruby handles these exactly as I
|   | | | 79900 [mwilson13 co] Correction to my prior post
|   | | + 79899 [patrick.benn] Well, keep it up, you've done a great job so far.  :)
|   | + 79820 [hal9000 hype] eyebrow.raise
|   | | 79826 [feldt ce.cha] Hal E. Fulton <hal9000@hypermetrics.com> skrev den Fri, 22 Aug 2003
|   | + 79822 [markjreed ma] .. . . which are not inherited, which is why it is surprising to many
|   |   + 79825 [michael_s_ca] What do you mean by "not inherited"...  I'm sure you're correct, but I'm
|   |   | + 79838 [markjreed ma] You're only confused because you're assuming I'm correct. :)  I
|   |   | | 79841 [hal9000 hype] Well, I think that in Java/C++ they're inherited but not shared.
|   |   | | 79876 [djd15 po.cwr] Are you referring to the "class << self.class" trick (alluded to by Matz
|   |   | | + 79877 [dblack super] class A
|   |   | | | + 79880 [djd15 po.cwr] Heh, oh, that is rather bad.
|   |   | | | + 79886 [matz ruby-la] Consider this oddity as a bug to be found in the future interpreter,
|   |   | | + 79879 [dblack super] More feedback, post-immersion :-)
|   |   | | | + 79883 [djd15 po.cwr] I suppose I was a bit ambiguous.
|   |   | | | + 79884 [djd15 po.cwr] class << self
|   |   | | + 79929 [martindemell] You should put that up on
|   |   | + 79859 [gedb01 yahoo] My earlier post showed that Java's static variables
|   |   + 79828 [ben thingmag] I'm one of them too.  Is there a reason that they're implemented the way
|   |   | 79836 [Patrick.Benn] page
|   |   + 79927 [jweirich one] Hmmm ... it looks like they are inherited here ...
|   + 79789 [hgs dmu.ac.u] It would be nice to have variables like global variables limited to
|     + 79804 [kdresner cs.] Um, this screams "instance variables" to me...
|     | 79853 [hgs dmu.ac.u] Each has an instance var holding its number. Somewhere I must keep
|     + 79814 [matz ruby-la] I think it can be done by self.class trick given by Robert Feldt in
|       79856 [hgs dmu.ac.u] Yes, I saw that, but don't understand it yet.  I am reminded that I
+ 79767 [obendrauf gm] @@x seems to be the same thing for the whole inheritance-hierarchy (or
| 80821 [volker_grabs] No, in Java this kind of source couldn't be implemented.
+ 79771 [drosih rpi.e] That's what I would expect to happen, although I am not sure
  79773 [gedb01 yahoo] class Sup
  79774 [dblack super] I think it's simpler than that: you're just assigning to a variable.
  79775 [gedb01 yahoo] It's probably is simpler.  I'm afraid I'm still
  79783 [feldt ce.cha] class Sup