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Amazon launches Ruby!
54605 [Dave@Pr gm t] ...
54616 [Mark.Volkman] ...
+ 54617 [michael_s_ca] I get the same.
+ 54619 [Dave@Pr gm t] an Amazon page selling clothing
  54620 [kentda@st d.] .... implemented in Ruby?
  54638 [dossy@pa op ] The joke, I guess, is that if you go to some arbitrary

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54611 [linuxhong@or] ...

First wall...
54622 [ ted@ph .n t] I ran the SongList example in "Programming Ruby" and got this error on the
54624 [decoux@mo lo] Well, this is because you have forgotten to include the definition for the
54627 [ ted@ph .n t] S/370 assembler or COBOL, I'll be more than happy to help. ;->

Ruby at OSCon
54626 [pate@ey er a] And for my next trick, watch me pull a conference out of my hat ...
54628 [ ted@ph .n t] ZZZZZZzzzzzzzz.....*!   Portland???  I live there... If it's Oregon, not
54629 [pate@re -b a] Yes, Portland Oregon ... have you hooked up with the Portland users group
54630 [ ted@ph .n t] Not yet.  I just read about ruby in Linux Format (a marvelous publication,

mathing space in regexp
54632 [briqueabraqu] If I use the option x in a regular expression, spaces are eliminated
54633 [mike@st k. o] You can escape a space in the regular expression to indicate that it is

"stack level too deep" error when trying to multithread in win32 using dbi
54636 [carl@yo ng l] I'm trying to do some multithreaded ruby programming on Windows, using
+ 54660 [decoux@mo lo] Can you give the complete example, I can't reproduce it with DBD::Pg
| 54753 [carl@yo ng l] I believe the problem is related to the Win32 port of ruby not having
+ 54855 [drbrain@se m] What is the code for BankDB.rb, line 10 (the [] operator)?
  54886 [carl@yo ng l] There was.  Thanks for the tip and sorry for the trouble.

[ANN] RTidy/CityDesk
54639 [austin@ha os] I have completed a complex application -- I won't be putting it on

bRuby?
54640 [austin@ha os] Can anyone explain to me what Yuya's package bRuby
54646 [mgushee@ha e] Well, since none of our native Japanese speakers have responded yet,
55124 [hmorita@oh s] In "Re: bRuby?"

Binary search
54642 [gokuzboy@ho ] into ruby code.
+ 54645 [gsinclair@so] I ususally turn out to be wrong in these matters, but my answer is: "only if
| 54647 [Graeme.Matth] ok, I am actually using a binary search in a vb (yes sorry, I wish I could
+ 54654 [ursus@wa ki ] Alan Walkington

[ANN] MUES 0.02
54653 [ged@Fa ri MU] My fellow Rubyists and I are proud to announce a new version of MUES - the
54666 [rich@in oe h] This is very cool.  The architecture looks well thought out.  You may

problem copying posts to list-server?
54656 [ursus@wa ki ] My posting a response to the 'Binary Search' thread generated

exerb
54658 [binaryhazard] Does exerb create linux binaries or just windows? Lin binaries would be
55140 [nobu.nokada@] Just windows.

[ANN] rpkg - test release
54659 [list@ch om t] = How to use this
54812 [ptkwt@sh ll ] Massimiliano,

Something is wrong in my IOWA
54662 [Radek@Hn li ] something is wrong in my isntalation of IOWA.
54665 [decoux@mo lo] The problem is here
54668 [Radek@Hn li ] thanks much, it's working now

Prettyprinting Ruby code on windows?
54663 [coma_killen@] Is there some simple way to pretty-print Ruby source code
+ 54664 [austin@ha os] I haven't yet needed to pretty-print Ruby source, but I'd do it the
+ 54667 [alwagner@tc ] I use Mike Wilson's Ruby/enscript on Linux.  If you have Cygwin it should work

Patches to IOWA 0.15.
54669 [Radek@Hn li ] Just difference between plain 0.15 and my copy after few changes I
54670 [khaines@en g] Thank you for these.

amrita/cgikit/iowa/others?
54671 [ahoward@fs .] rubyists-
54703 [bruce@co ed ] I have used two of the three- amrita and iowa.
54832 [list@NO PA c] Were these dynamic or static sites?  I'm looking for the best bet in
+ 54837 [ahoward@fs .] amrita simply takes an html template (view) and 'fills in the blanks' using
+ 54846 [khaines@en g] Iowa is pretty strongly targetted at web applications.  My personal

Re: Multimethods (was Re: Larry Wall's comments on Ruby)
54674 [qrczak@kn .o] I've never used CLOS but I'm experimenting with a CLOS-like dispatch
+ 54691 [decoux@mo lo] Well, you just give an implementation and don't solve any problems
+ 54693 [qrczak@kn .o] What problems do you mean?
  + 54694 [decoux@mo lo] [ruby-talk:51745]
  + 54695 [qrczak@kn .o] Well, this is just one problem, and IMHO benefits of multimethods
    54696 [decoux@mo lo] Why make something simple, when you can make something complex

OT: Amazon...
54676 [michael_s_ca] Ah hah...

Library consistency
54680 [briqueabraqu] Just a sugestion: I think it would be a nice idea if all library
54681 [austin@ha os] Each of these has a different purpose, though. Just looking at the

Re: Library consistency. Correction
54682 [briqueabraqu] You're right. When I said that I want all of those functions to

Fun with FX ruby....
54683 [en4cerjoe@ya] I'm want to dynamicly add.delete rows to a table using
54840 [lyle@us rs s] used as message identifiers -- they aren't themselves methods that you

remove me from your list
54685 [reavey@ne .n] love your list but it's too much for me to follow.

undefined method `define_http_method_interface'
54686 [ggem70@ho ma] I'm trying to run the ruby version of httpmail

strange warning
54687 [ursus@wa ki ] I get this warning message when I run the code below.  What am I doing wrong
54688 [khindenburg@] Somethings changed since 1.6.7

tcl/tk combobox
54689 [someone@mi r] has anyone 'ruby'fied a combox yet? or a pulldown list?
54711 [mghall@en er] This  procedure creates an option menubutton whose name is

OT: rxvt
54692 [martindemell] Since I didn't know until someone told me...
54698 [walrus06437@] FYI, for the time being I've given up using rxvt to invoke irb or the
54830 [martindemell] I'm afraid so :-/ And for some reason FXirb never worked for me, so

YAML/XML Comparison (was Re: Ruby.bah!)
54697 [ruby-talk@wh] I think so, too.
54700 [mgushee@ha e] Now that's what I call sanity! If only the W3C were able to grasp that

PageTemplate Is Not Dead Yet
54699 [brian@co ln ] After numerous distractions, I have the spare time and motivation to work on

GraphR not available from Sourceforge
54701 [pbooth@no oi] I'm wondering if anyone knows of an alternate location for GraphR?
54702 [brian@co ln ] Sourceforge must be having general problems.  I was unable to download ZenTest

Ruby Hosting
54704 [loats205@ao ] Eh, i don't mean to spam, but i'm really just polling demand for such a thing.
54705 [AntiATField_] One process? Who can live with that? You wouldn't be able to execute
54706 [loats205@ao ] ruby occupies more than one proccess? im looking for sugestions, so feel free
+ 54707 [loats205@ao ] would 5 proccesses work? Only thing we are worried about is people actually
+ 54708 [charlesb@su ] well i know it's a stupid thought, but surely the login process takes upon at
+ 54731 [AntiATField_] I don't think it's well-suited as a login shell...

PullDownList -- failings are obvioius
54710 [ursus@wa ki ] This start at a  pulldown list accepts insertions, accepts a callback
+ 54713 [someone@mi r] Note that when I have resized it, it will no longer hide properly?????
+ 54715 [mgushee@ha e] That's because @frame doesn't have a parent. So when you create a
  54719 [mgushee@ha e] and

One Character from Keyboard w/o hitting Enter?
54712 [msimonc@ho m] Can Ruby be made to return control to the program from a
54791 [matz@ru y- a] There's no portable way.  What's you platform.
55121 [msimonc@ho m] Cygwin 1.3.12(0.54/3/2) under Windows ME,

Thoughts on Ruby
54714 [enric@1s ar ] I'm a Ruby newbie, and I'm reading now "the ruby way" and reading this
+ 54718 [hal9000@hy e] The list is quiet since many of the main posters
| 54775 [enric@1s ar ] In Smalltalk is the same as in Ruby, a variable is a reference, a
| 54780 [austin@ha os] def +=(anArgument)
| + 54786 [alwagner@tc ] Of course it does.  But you can shoot yourself in the foot with every method
| + 54798 [enric@1s ar ] Yes of course, and I can do
| + 54805 [B.Candler@po] But it would be better to get a warning at "compile-time" (i.e. when the
+ 54724 [alwagner@tc ] I also have a Smalltalk background.  When I first encountered Ruby I asked
| + 54737 [ndrsbngtssn@] If Ruby went all the way on this, like Smalltalk does, then Ruby would
| | + 54759 [alwagner@tc ] Yes, superficially, just looking at a piece of Smalltalk code, without
| | | + 54761 [hal9000@hy e] coming
| | | + 54763 [austin@ha os] This helps me understand Smalltalk better, but it doesn't fix the
| | | | + 54766 [alwagner@tc ] I don't agree, but I understand :-)  I am also a believer in bio-diversity.
| | | | | + 54773 [austin@ha os] I would appreciate it if you don't necessarily cut the context from
| | | | | | 54781 [alwagner@tc ] I apologize if my notation offended.  I thought that "<snip>" and "..." before
| | | | | | 54799 [austin@ha os] My problem with your cutting is that it placed several statements
| | | | | + 54806 [psamermit@ji] Wagner's point is reasonable. Think of where the world is going. We are
| | | | + 54980 [staypufd@au ] On 11/03/2002 1:43 PM, in article
| | | + 54788 [enric@1s ar ] One of the really NICE things in Ruby is the implicit "object" when
| | + 54787 [enric@1s ar ] For me Ruby is almost Smalltalk, yes it uses a sintaxis that more
| + 54739 [gsinclair@so] It's probably not intuitive to *anybody* (except perhaps Matz).  However, I see
| | + 54760 [alwagner@tc ] So that no one misunderstand my comments about Smalltalk.  I don't mean to
| | + 54778 [enric@1s ar ] OK, Gavin, you are right, it's an exception, you must deal with it, the
| | + 54790 [matz@ru y- a] (regarding the fact "abc"[0] being fixnum)
| + 54777 [enric@1s ar ] Yes, this is one think I don't understand of the design on Ruby, it
| + 54789 [matz@ru y- a] They simply cannot implemented as methods.
|   + 54807 [alwagner@tc ] True.
|   + 54816 [enric@1s ar ] Yes you're right, ":=" and "." are language structures in Smalltalk as
|     54817 [bulatz@in eg] you can easily create additional control structures such as "loop" or
|     54819 [enric@1s ar ] Yes, I know, this is the reason I was asking, that if in Ruby you can
|     + 54820 [bulatz@in eg] sugar. it's a question of taste, i think. me personally never
|     + 54827 [gsinclair@so] love your list but it's too much for me to follow.
|       54828 [gsinclair@so] David
+ 54725 [austin@ha os] I don't actually see this (that everything is "almost" an object).
| + 54762 [alwagner@tc ] I read this differently.  Certain peculiarities in the english syntax led me
| | + 54765 [austin@ha os] I tried to read beyond the ESL. I still don't see that "almost
| | | 54785 [enric@1s ar ] Nope, Closures are not objects. And you need to Objectify closures when
| | | 54815 [bulatz@in eg] how this can be done in current ruby object model?
| | | 54818 [enric@1s ar ] Yes it's my fault, there are not "=" (assign) primitive in Smalltalk,
| | + 56352 [tgagne@wi e-] What about equality (Smalltalk's ==)?
| |   56363 [matz@ru y- a] equal?
| |   56374 [tgagne@wi e-] = equality (they are equal objects)
| |   + 56375 [austin@ha os] Object#equal?
| |   + 56411 [gsinclair@so] I've got along fine without it, but you can use
| |     56413 [gsinclair@so] <blush>
| + 54784 [enric@1s ar ] Ok, you are right, it's Mr. Matz decission, but, why then can I redefine
|   + 54802 [austin@ha os] class Foo
|   | 54821 [enric@1s ar ] Ok, it was his decission, but Ruby will not lost a single bit of
|   | 54826 [gsinclair@so] You need to actually do some work in Ruby before you're qualified to make
|   | 54903 [B.Candler@po] (an all-encompassing statement if ever I saw one :-)
|   | + 54913 [gsinclair@so] By C's definition.  The original and the best.  C++ is of course a
|   | | 54960 [B.Candler@po] Ah, well if you'd said "in C" rather than "in any language" then I wouldn't
|   | + 54920 [austin@ha os] Actually, it's arguable C++ *the language* (like C) defines a=a+b
|   |   54963 [B.Candler@po] I disagree. For integers/pointers yes, but for objects the language defines
|   + 54804 [B.Candler@po] I don't think you have redefined 'and', you have just added a method called
+ 54779 [vinfoley@iq ] When I started learning Ruby, some things didn't feel natural (strings
| 54794 [enric@1s ar ] This is one of the reasons for this thread.
+ 54833 [list@NO PA c] Are you trying to improve your understanding to fit Ruby or are you
  54838 [ahoward@fs .] [timidly snipping - hopefully it's o.k. ...]
  + 54967 [emschwar@fc ] That never works, because the newbies think to themselves, "My
  | + 54977 [alwagner@tc ] Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million
  | + 54979 [carl@yo ng l] The other problem is, none of the guys who know how to answer beginners
  |   54995 [simon@si on ] Two good arguments against, but do they stand up in practice? The idea
  |   55007 [ahoward@fs .] yes, my thoughts exactly.  it also works very well for the postgres groups,
  |   55040 [list@NO PA c] I suppose you're referring to the proposal I made.  In that case
  |   55073 [list@NO PA c] [here]
  + 54982 [staypufd@au ] I use both Ruby and I have used Smalltalk since 1987. So I thought I'd
  + 54997 [list@NO PA c] Welcome!

[Fwd: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender]
54716 [charlesb@su ] i got this from an smtp server i have never heard of, I am assuming that
54717 [charlesb@su ] btw i meant to add, i received the return notice twice even tho i only

Snowhite is a virus: Do not open it
54720 [bob@ve ys cu] The email sent to the ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org list with the subject

Snowhite is a virus: Do not open it
54721 [bob@ve ys cu] The email sent to the ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org list with the subject
54733 [charlesb@su ] well it's a good job i never opened it then ain't it :P
54747 [canyonrat@ma] Didn't Suse recently announce support for Word macro viruses? This is
54751 [charlesb@su ] dunno? have you got a URL that i can d/l support? i've missed that soooo

Snowhite is a virus: Do not open it
54722 [bob@ve ys cu] The email sent to the ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org list with the subject
54723 [brian@co ln ] Should I be amused by the fact that we got three identical emails from a

TkOptionMenuButton
54726 [ursus@wa ki ] 'tk.rb. contains  a class named TkOptionMenuButton.  Does anyone know of an
+ 54727 [mgushee@ha e] require 'tk'
| 54758 [ursus@wa ki ] Sigh ... yes, Matt, of course I did.
+ 54764 [alwagner@tc ] I assume you are asking what-is-it-good-for, rather than how-do-I-use-it.
  54771 [mgushee@ha e] Well, that's an easy mistake to make. I've been caught by it more than
  54774 [alwagner@tc ] Oh, God.  I am SO sorry.  Really, I do apologize.  Does Lao Tse also have
  54809 [mgushee@ha e] No need to apologize. I didn't create the package, just inherited it.
  54993 [nagai@ai ky ] I'm responsible for the ugly code.
  55014 [alwagner@tc ] How are you doing?  Is you eye better?
  55110 [nagai@ai ky ] Thank you, Albert.

substitution problem
54728 [lists@de on ] I'd like to capitalize every word in a string.
+ 54729 [lists@de on ] btw, I have this solution, but I'd like to know the thory why my other
| 54735 [decoux@mo lo] When you write
+ 54730 [hal9000@hy e] str.split.map {|x| x.capitalize}.join(" ")
  + 54732 [barry.shultz] how 'bout the block form?
  | + 54738 [gsinclair@so] Or
  | + 54755 [lists@de on ] Thanks guys,
  + 54834 [list@NO PA c] str = "the   quick brown fox,   jumped over the lazy dog"

Re: Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story!
54734 [binaryhazard] educated and

Fw: [DotGNU]Treecc Ruby support
54736 [ianm@Ac iv S] looks interesting
54811 [ptkwt@sh ll ] Can anyone provide any commentary on the fowareded message below?

Lol, no no no
54740 [loats205@ao ] Hehe , the shell its self doesnt count, these are back ground proccesses im
54741 [loats205@ao ] here, maybe if i explained my position and the guys position it will be a
54814 [binaryhazard] I'll help out with the userbase part

Thoughts on Ruby
54742 [enric@1s ar ] I'm a Ruby newbie, and I'm reading now "the ruby way" and reading this

Output Buffering
54743 [ekobudi@si g] ...
54745 [decoux@mo lo] Look at StringIO

Debugging and Test::Unit
54744 [coma_killen@] I often find I want to step through my test code
54803 [gsinclair@so] Good timing.  I'm maintaing a list of debugger problems at

A question about eruby in Apache under Windows 2K
54746 [zx@is pk .e ] I setup ruby1.6.7, eruby0.9.8 and apache1.3 under Windows2k,

2 questions
54748 [jean-francoi] -I would like to know if there is a way , with the 'net' package, to

Namespace hygenie
54749 [schuerig@ac ] Is there a way to restrict the visibility of changes to standard classes
54750 [decoux@mo lo] Look if import-module do what you want
54754 [schuerig@ac ] I'm not sure if I understand it correctly, but I don't think it can do
54822 [decoux@mo lo] Well, I don't know if it will be fast
54829 [schuerig@ac ] Here's the catch. 'Require' is transitive. When I 'require' something,
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