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^ Teknik Arab Sudan for great sex
39920 [infoterkini ] Belajar Cara memasang pc sendiri dan Networking seperti cybercafe
40172 [mark.adams i] Could you please translate the underlying message in English. If not, its all
40173 [baasad quali] not arabic
40247 [rett gvtc.co] I would bet that this was written in Indonesia or the Phillipines.
+ 40271 [nobu.nokada ] According to Received:, from Malaysia.
+ 40288 [z4k4ri4 bigf] You're close enough. Its in malaysian.

^ [OT] IDE, license, GPL business models (was: Re: 'Ultimate' FreeRIDE ?)
39928 [tobiasreif p] People try it, people buy it. There are a lot of indications that people
39931 [pate eylerfa] [elided comments]
39934 [tobiasreif p] no doubt!

^ Ruby GUI programming on OS X?
39939 [staypufd mac] I know about Cocoa Ruby, but what other GUI tools can I use and where can I
+ 39952 [Mark.Volkman] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand
| 39993 [hisa imasy.o] <http://www.imasy.or.jp/~hisa/mac/rubycocoa/>
+ 39957 [gehlker fast] There is a Ruby Carbon project on SourceForge but it seems to be moribund.
+ 39982 [ttate kt.jai] I know FLTK-1.1.x supports Mac OS X, but I've not used it on OS X.

^ Ruby bindings for MetaKit
39940 [dossy panopt] Back in March of 2002, Bob <bobx@linuxmail.org> asked about

^ [ANNOUNCE] Practical Ruby 0.3.3
39955 [gaiacrtn fre] I'm glad to announce the release of Practical Ruby 0.3.3
39963 [jean_hugues_] Nice !
+ 39981 [gaiacrtn fre] toggle
+ 39990 [nhodgson big] That is a SciTE limitation, not a Scintilla problem. SciTE multiplexes

^ Ruby/CGI in books (Re: print to cgi error log)
39958 [brian www.co] "The Ruby Way" has been very useful to me in a "cookbook" sense.  I

^ eval.rb
39964 [ccos bigpond] charset=US-ASCII;
39965 [tobiasreif p] Tobi
39966 [ccos bigpond] found it just seconds before you mailed.

^ Test::Unit::Assertions #assert_takes and #assert_takes_nowait  (was Re: Thread#join doesn't accept a timeout?)
39971 [dossy panopt] To be honest, I can't remember.  Thanks to your assert_takes,
39973 [nathaniel ta] I'll have a look.
39994 [dossy panopt] Excellent.  I'll start reading up.
39998 [dossy panopt] I've implemented something simple for now, just to see if this

^ kids
39974 [pate eylerfa] Why didn't I think of that?  I keep trying to get mine interested in
+ 39978 [nathaniel ta] then,
| 40182 [patrick-may ] You could also always try an "intern" :D
+ 40081 [bigbill.smit] My son  just finished his sophomore year of college, as a CS major. It

^ Forwarded: [ANN] QuantLib-Ruby 0.3.0
39975 [mrchameleon ] [Quantlib-announce] [ANN] QuantLib-Ruby 0.3.0

^ timeout.rb problem
39977 [tsiivola cc.] Nested timeouts considered nasty ;)
+ 39980 [wconrad yagn] It seems like a design problem.  In the code you showed us, the
| 39983 [tsiivola cc.] In the example my _intended_ contract with meditate: to
| 39988 [wconrad yagn] Ok, I read the code again and the problem hit me between the eyes.
+ 39984 [nobu.nokada ] You can use particular exception classes.
| 39986 [tsiivola cc.] This helps. A lot. ;)
| 39991 [nobu.nokada ] The patch is to make it automatic.
| 40005 [tsiivola cc.] #!/usr/bin/ruby
| 40008 [nobu.nokada ] Sorry, misunderstood.
+ 39997 [dossy panopt] Even more interesting:  Should a rescue block be able to rescue
  40007 [tsiivola cc.] This is actually what is done: timeout.rb runs the block in the

^ rb_unload() ?
39979 [wardja jmu.e] I'm experimenting with using ruby as embedded scripting language, but
+ 39989 [sean chitten] Please see mod_ruby and the way that it handles this with garbage
| 39992 [wardja jmu.e] Another question along the same lines.... how would I uninitialize ruby?
+ 40034 [dennisn pe.n] I don't completely understand what you are trying to do, but it

^ Reversing receiver and argument for commutative math operations
39995 [jeff.gray in] Let's say I have a class that overrides certain arithmetic operators like +
40000 [matz ruby-la] How about
40042 [jeff.gray in] D'oh!  I was so close, but botched the definition of MyClass#*, causing the

^ Anonymous Classes Vs. Singleton Methods
40001 [flifson cs.u] I have an object which I'd like to extend with a number of methods that
40002 [matz ruby-la] Almost no difference, except that you can do something more by

^ ruby-talk message 40K
40003 [dblack candl] It's not as obvious these days, because you have to examine the

^ Ruby Conference 2002:  Call for Presenters
40004 [dblack candl] Ruby Conference 2002:  Call for Presenters
40009 [ jimm io.com] Definitions, please. How long should each be?
40010 [dblack candl] There are descriptions on the site (just click on any of the three

^ XEmacs & folding, outline, oop...
40012 [jean_hugues_] I am looking for some solution to edit Ruby files with XEmacs using

^ BUG! Platform independent? sockets and select
40015 [kgergely mla] I've a big problem.
+ 40017 [dossy panopt] Can you provide a minimal amount of working source that demonstrates
| 40027 [kgergely mla] Well, perhaps not minimal, but not so big program.
| + 40033 [dossy panopt] 36     nsock = select(socks.keys|[@server],nil,nil,10)
| | 40040 [kgergely mla] First, Dossy, thank you for wasting your time with this stuff!
| | 40041 [dossy panopt] My pleasure.
| + 40064 [nobu.nokada ] Oops, I tried with cygwin since I don't have Tcl/Tk available
|   40221 [kgergely mla] News from my problem!
|   40279 [nobu.nokada ] Hmmm, without Tk.mainloop your server.rb will stop at `gets'
+ 40018 [peter semant] If you want help then you will need to supply us with more than this.
+ 40019 [nobu.nokada ] I saw your previous post and tried to investigate your problem,
  40036 [jean_hugues_] Nabu, your are a nice guy

^ Unicode in Ruby's Future?
40016 [gehlker fast] I was reading through "The Ruby Way" and noticed the sentence: "Because Ruby
+ 40020 [nobu.nokada ] Ruby M17N will support mulitple encodings.  And also, ruby
| 40025 [pbrannan atd] What is L18N?
| 40026 [dossy panopt] I18N = Internationalization
| 40029 [nobu.nokada ] Sorry, type of L10N or couldn't count more than 3.
+ 40021 [dossy panopt] I think a lot of M17N/I18N can be accomplished today in Ruby by
+ 40030 [matz ruby-la] + string indexing is based on character, even for multi-byte
  + 40031 [pbrannan atd] Will there be a "wide string" type, so that I can do indexing without a
  | 40039 [matz ruby-la] "Wide string" such as UCS4 may be defined as one of character encoding
  + 40035 [gehlker fast] Thanks to Matz and everyone who responded. I really like where Ruby is
    40038 [jean_hugues_] Hum... I was assuming that the current String would keep being byte based

^ freeze and exception safety
40022 [pbrannan atd] class Foo
+ 40023 [chris.morris] What about this? Do a deep-clone of your Container, attempt to freeze
| 40024 [pbrannan atd] class Foo
+ 40084 [decoux moulo] Be carefull with this because one day  a stupid person like me will try to
  40215 [pbrannan atd] It will only unfreeze if an exception is thrown and the object was not

^ The program's URL
40028 [kgergely mla] You can download it as

^ Premature end of script headers
40043 [ccos bigpond] charset=US-ASCII;
+ 40044 [pate eylerfa] what happens when you run the script from the command line?
| + 40045 [pate eylerfa] doh! I should have seen this before I sent the mail
| | 40048 [ccos bigpond] hey there,
| | 40050 [pate eylerfa] Can you run the scripts from the command line?
| + 40046 [kentda stud.] I didn't think this line was necessary? I've never outputted it
|   40047 [kentda stud.] [ misquote by me ]
+ 40051 [irv.mullins ] /usr/bin/ruby
| 40054 [gehlker fast] Sometimes the 'one click installers' don't put stuff in the same place as
| 40062 [ccos bigpond] yeah they had it like that in the practical programmer book, and that's
| + 40063 [ccos bigpond] [error] (8)Exec format error: exec of
| + 40066 [nobu.nokada ] Not everywhere, I heared some systems have /bin/env instead.
| + 40070 [gehlker fast] It is a file. In fact it's a little program that executes whatever program
|   + 40074 [ccos bigpond] charset=US-ASCII;
|   | + 40076 [ccos bigpond] hahaha,
|   | | 40090 [pate eylerfa] possibly, it depends on what the permissions were before you did the first
|   | + 40103 [gehlker fast] That little 'Magic Menu' thing in their commercial version uses the Unix
|   + 40075 [tobiasreif p] I use the shebang line on Window with Apache.
|   + 40078 [alwyn alwyn.] 'dlfcn.h'? That's for 'dlopen' etc. What I did was copy it into the
|     40204 [gehlker fast] Well, I got it to build but not using GNU make. I ended up turning it into a
+ 40065 [sean chitten] 1) Do you have access to your error logs?

^ methods disappearing in ruby-mysql-2.4.2a
40053 [bhilton vpop] Sorry to cross-post to ruby-dbi-devel, but I wasn't sure which list
40058 [alan digikat] I don't use ruby dbi with mysql, but my first reaction would be to

^ ANNOUNCE: PageTemplate 0.1.0
40055 [brian coolna] I thought I'd greet the weekend with the first-ever release of one of my own
+ 40056 [pbrannan atd] Sounds nifty!
+ 40059 [pate eylerfa] Congrats!  Funny things, I was just working with HTML::Template today and
  40067 [sean chitten] If memory serves, someone's already ported HTML::Template to ruby.
  + 40068 [brian coolna] I noticed that while I was adding my entry to the RAA.  Still, PageTemplate
  + 40071 [dsafari xtra] Or try..

^ rubygarden HtmlTemplates (Re: ANNOUNCE: PageTemplate 0.1.0)
40057 [brian coolna] Thanks for the reminder.  Ok, I've made my addition to the page!

^ call to os x cgi rubites
40072 [ccos bigpond] well, i've got a real headache from trying to figure out unix, cgi, and
40183 [patrick-may ] It might be easier for the list to help with one problem at the time.
40185 [ccos bigpond] hey there,

^ emacs, inf-ruby, run-load-file removing \ filesep on Windows ?
40079 [jean_hugues_] Windows specific issue here, don't waste your time more if you're U*x.
+ 40080 [jean_hugues_] I don't know. But changing " into ' is OK too. The reason is: it is Ruby
+ 40085 [nobu.nokada ] Simply, you can use slashes instead of backslashes which have
  40097 [jean_hugues_] Agree.
  40123 [nobu.nokada ] Well, you mean using read-file-name?
  40150 [jean_hugues_] I am uncertain about what you mean. According to what you stated in a
  40154 [nobu.nokada ] Sorry, I meant followings.

^ Class variable weirdness
40082 [szegedy t-on] Recently I had some problemin one of my Ruby scripts.
+ 40083 [decoux moulo] Well, there is a bug in your version of linux :-)))
+ 40087 [matz ruby-la] Fair enough.  1.6.7 has a bug (or misfeature) in class variable
  40088 [szegedy t-on] Thanks a lot!

^ Re: [Ruby-DBI-devel] methods disappearing in ruby-mysql-2.4.2a
40091 [bhilton vpop] It turns out the error is expected.  Mysql objects don't have the
40098 [sean chitten] [moving discussion to ruby-dbi-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, reply there]

^ Ruby extensions - pushing classes into other modules
40092 [djberg96 att] I'm trying to write extensions for a bunch of little unix utilities,
40093 [decoux moulo] module, no ?
40109 [djberg96 att] Oops.  Yes, right.
+ 40121 [nobu.nokada ] It worked correctly for me.
+ 40136 [decoux moulo] I'm not sure if it's a good idea to have capital letter for the name of a

^ [FXRuby] SEL_MOTION for FXWindow, etc.
40095 [Martin.Man s] [please CC me on the replies]
40241 [jlj cfdrc.co] I know that in some older versions of FOX, Jeroen had only turned on the

^ [FXRuby] FXDCWindow#drawLines
40096 [Martin.Man s] [please CC me on the replies]
40240 [jlj cfdrc.co] This was broken in FXRuby-1.0.3 but is fixed for the upcoming release (due

^ OT:is software eng an art?
40099 [ptkwt shell1] I signed up for a free seminar that's being held at a grad school nearby
+ 40100 [tobiasreif p] Sometimes it's neither, sometimes it's both; it's not exclusive.
+ 40102 [jweirich one] I would use the term "craft" rather than "art".
+ 40104 [gehlker fast] Karl E. Wiegers speaks about "The misguided notion that software is art and
| + 40105 [whizkid xnet] Mind me... but I feel like stating my oppinions regarding this issue. I
| | + 40106 [brian coolna] I've always thought that the whole art/science split is rather arbitrary.  It
| | | 40128 [dossy panopt] Pure science/engineering is usually useful (nay, required?) when
| | | 40186 [Steve.Merric] I've seen this comment, in this discussion, one too many times - it's
| | | + 40201 [dossy panopt] You never need to apologize to me.  :-)
| | | + 40208 [gehlker fast] On 5/13/02 3:39 AM, "Steve Merrick" <Steve.Merrick@anti-spam.Marconi.com>
| | + 40107 [Ephaeton gmx] You're missing a point. Science IS art.
| | | 40110 [ser germane-] 1) In Art, you create something that exists to be interpreted, and often,
| | | + 40113 [rick rickbra] Bah.
| | | | + 40115 [tobiasreif p] All those are overgeneralized assumptions, to a degree that they are not true.
| | | | | 40116 [rick rickbra] Gimme a break, man ;-)
| | | | + 40118 [alwagner tca] Well said!
| | | | + 40120 [ser germane-] Can art be objective?  I remember a debate about a hypothetical pile of
| | | | | 40126 [ptkwt shell1] I like this...  Again, there is an intersection between engineering and
| | | | | + 40130 [james rubyxm] What about those of us who are both engineers and artists?
| | | | | + 40132 [ser germane-] Yah.  I think I was trying to say that, IMHO, engineering is the point of
| | | | |   + 40133 [rick rickbra] [ Forgive me for bowing out of the discussion after blowing at the fire
| | | | |   + 41798 [list NOSPAMc] Well, that works within a model.  Actually, most of the geometry we
| | | | |     41802 [list chromat] Something wicked in mutt (aka something stupid I didn't notice I did)
| | | | |     41805 [alwagner tca] It's not a subject you can beat to death.  I enjoyed your posts.
| | | | + 40124 [ptkwt shell1] very post-modern.... while modernity maintained a lot of 'either-or'
| | | | + 40129 [dossy panopt] In Art, one creates something from nothing or at best nothing more
| | | |   40131 [airboss node] Not so. Similar to the manner in which scientists build theories on
| | | + 40138 [patrick-may ] The arts community is tolerant of different ideologies.  However, each
| | | | + 40142 [whizkid xnet] Well, I may be off-topic, howevere I feel to add on what Phill said. I
| | | | + 40157 [ser germane-] Agreed.  This comes back to whether the nature of Art lies more in the
| | | |   40181 [patrick-may ] This is a funny thread.
| | | + 40187 [Steve.Merric] Art.
| | + 40112 [ptkwt shell1] So software engineering may lie at the intersection of art and science.
| |   40122 [gehlker fast] I think "art" is broad enough to include software. Radu sort of set up a
| |   40127 [ptkwt shell1] Sure, it's why we (as a society) try to save buildings designed by Frank
| + 40111 [ptkwt shell1] Quite true.  I didn't mean to make that dichotomy in the final question.
+ 40125 [dossy panopt] Software Engineering is a science.  System Design is an art.
| + 40134 [rick rickbra] Just a couple quick notes then I'll go huddle up with some more stories.
| + 40135 [ptkwt shell1] That's been the traditional view of software construction: that you have a
| + 40230 [Steve.Merric] This isn't a statement of belief, it's an objective claim. If valid, it
|   40248 [dossy panopt] If it were art, it'd be called "software artistry" not "software
|   + 40249 [mps discomsy] Why did Knuth call his books "The Art of Computer Programming"?
|   | 40251 [dossy panopt] I distinguish between Software Engineering and Computer Programming.
|   | + 40333 [dennisn pe.n] engineering" had not yet been invented.
|   | + 40340 [dennisn pe.n] This brought up a foggy memory which I tried to chase down abit.  In 1974,
|   + 40255 [hal9000 hype] <sarcasm mode="friendly">
|     + 40266 [james rubyxm] Hmm. I was taught it was a branch of mathematics, and that hard-core
|     | + 40267 [hal9000 hype] sullied
|     | | 40268 [james rubyxm] *Gasp!*  Oh no!  Haven't you heard the joke?
|     | + 40270 [dossy panopt] James++
|     | + 40278 [ser germane-] In olden days of yore, when computers were just used to calculate artillery
|     + 40282 [mike stok.co] I know someone has already mentioned Knuth, but if you have a copy of "Literate
|     | + 40284 [brian coolna] Then when you're done with that, you can always try "The Religion of
|     | + 40307 [Steve.Merric] George
|     |   40319 [mike stok.co] Oddly enough I was put onto Lakoff & Johnson by being pointed at
|     + 40289 [gehlker fast] I'm always interested when I read something like this because the scale
|     | + 40304 [Stephan.Kaem] Not neccessarily....
|     | | 40318 [gehlker fast] On 5/14/02 1:09 AM, "Stephan Kš╬per" <Stephan.Kaemper@Schleswig-Holstein.de>
|     | + 40345 [hal9000 hype] Now we're WOT (Way Off Topic)...  :)
|     |   40353 [gehlker fast] Yeah! But this is kind of fun.
|     + 40303 [Stephan.Kaem] Nice to know I not the only physicist (albeit no longer working in that
+ 40167 [dennisn pe.n] Interesting question.  You invited opinions, so here's mine.
+ 41803 [list chromat] Greeks thought of art in terms of beautiful technique.  They arguably
  41815 [r2d2 acc.umu] And geeks think of art in terms of beautiful technology.
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