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Teknik Arab Sudan for great sex
39920 [infoterkini@] Belajar Cara memasang pc sendiri dan Networking seperti cybercafe
40172 [mark.adams@i] Could you please translate the underlying message in English. If not, its all
40173 [baasad@qu li] not arabic
40247 [rett@gv c. o] I would bet that this was written in Indonesia or the Phillipines.
+ 40271 [nobu.nokada@] According to Received:, from Malaysia.
+ 40288 [z4k4ri4@bi f] You're close enough. Its in malaysian.
[OT] IDE, license, GPL business models (was: Re: 'Ultimate' FreeRIDE ?)
39928 [tobiasreif@p] People try it, people buy it. There are a lot of indications that people
39931 [pate@ey er a] [elided comments]
39934 [tobiasreif@p] no doubt!
Ruby GUI programming on OS X?
39939 [staypufd@ma ] I know about Cocoa Ruby, but what other GUI tools can I use and where can I
+ 39952 [Mark.Volkman] ...
| 39993 [hisa@im sy o] <http://www.imasy.or.jp/~hisa/mac/rubycocoa/>
+ 39957 [gehlker@fa t] There is a Ruby Carbon project on SourceForge but it seems to be moribund.
+ 39982 [ttate@kt ja ] I know FLTK-1.1.x supports Mac OS X, but I've not used it on OS X.
Ruby bindings for MetaKit
39940 [dossy@pa op ] Back in March of 2002, Bob <email@example.com> asked about
[ANNOUNCE] Practical Ruby 0.3.3
39955 [gaiacrtn@fr ] I'm glad to announce the release of Practical Ruby 0.3.3
39963 [jean_hugues_] Nice !
+ 39981 [gaiacrtn@fr ] toggle
+ 39990 [nhodgson@bi ] That is a SciTE limitation, not a Scintilla problem. SciTE multiplexes
Ruby/CGI in books (Re: print to cgi error log)
39958 [brian@ww .c ] "The Ruby Way" has been very useful to me in a "cookbook" sense. I
39964 [ccos@bi po d] ...
39965 [tobiasreif@p] Tobi
39966 [ccos@bi po d] found it just seconds before you mailed.
Test::Unit::Assertions #assert_takes and #assert_takes_nowait (was Re: Thread#join doesn't accept a timeout?)
39971 [dossy@pa op ] To be honest, I can't remember. Thanks to your assert_takes,
39973 [nathaniel@ta] I'll have a look.
39994 [dossy@pa op ] Excellent. I'll start reading up.
39998 [dossy@pa op ] I've implemented something simple for now, just to see if this
39974 [pate@ey er a] Why didn't I think of that? I keep trying to get mine interested in
+ 39978 [nathaniel@ta] then,
| 40182 [patrick-may@] You could also always try an "intern" :D
+ 40081 [bigbill.smit] My son just finished his sophomore year of college, as a CS major. It
Forwarded: [ANN] QuantLib-Ruby 0.3.0
39975 [mrchameleon@] [Quantlib-announce] [ANN] QuantLib-Ruby 0.3.0
39977 [tsiivola@cc ] Nested timeouts considered nasty ;)
+ 39980 [wconrad@ya n] It seems like a design problem. In the code you showed us, the
| 39983 [tsiivola@cc ] In the example my _intended_ contract with meditate: to
| 39988 [wconrad@ya n] Ok, I read the code again and the problem hit me between the eyes.
+ 39984 [nobu.nokada@] You can use particular exception classes.
| 39986 [tsiivola@cc ] This helps. A lot. ;)
| 39991 [nobu.nokada@] The patch is to make it automatic.
| 40005 [tsiivola@cc ] #!/usr/bin/ruby
| 40008 [nobu.nokada@] Sorry, misunderstood.
+ 39997 [dossy@pa op ] Even more interesting: Should a rescue block be able to rescue
40007 [tsiivola@cc ] This is actually what is done: timeout.rb runs the block in the
39979 [wardja@jm .e] I'm experimenting with using ruby as embedded scripting language, but
+ 39989 [sean@ch tt n] Please see mod_ruby and the way that it handles this with garbage
| 39992 [wardja@jm .e] Another question along the same lines.... how would I uninitialize ruby?
+ 40034 [dennisn@pe n] I don't completely understand what you are trying to do, but it
Reversing receiver and argument for commutative math operations
39995 [jeff.gray@in] Let's say I have a class that overrides certain arithmetic operators like +
40000 [matz@ru y- a] How about
40042 [jeff.gray@in] D'oh! I was so close, but botched the definition of MyClass#*, causing the
Anonymous Classes Vs. Singleton Methods
40001 [flifson@cs u] I have an object which I'd like to extend with a number of methods that
40002 [matz@ru y- a] Almost no difference, except that you can do something more by
ruby-talk message 40K
40003 [dblack@ca dl] It's not as obvious these days, because you have to examine the
Ruby Conference 2002: Call for Presenters
40004 [dblack@ca dl] Ruby Conference 2002: Call for Presenters
40009 [ jimm@io co ] Definitions, please. How long should each be?
40010 [dblack@ca dl] There are descriptions on the site (just click on any of the three
XEmacs & folding, outline, oop...
40012 [jean_hugues_] I am looking for some solution to edit Ruby files with XEmacs using
BUG! Platform independent? sockets and select
40015 [kgergely@ml ] I've a big problem.
+ 40017 [dossy@pa op ] Can you provide a minimal amount of working source that demonstrates
| 40027 [kgergely@ml ] Well, perhaps not minimal, but not so big program.
| + 40033 [dossy@pa op ] 36 nsock = select(socks.keys|[@server],nil,nil,10)
| | 40040 [kgergely@ml ] First, Dossy, thank you for wasting your time with this stuff!
| | 40041 [dossy@pa op ] My pleasure.
| + 40064 [nobu.nokada@] Oops, I tried with cygwin since I don't have Tcl/Tk available
| 40221 [kgergely@ml ] News from my problem!
| 40279 [nobu.nokada@] Hmmm, without Tk.mainloop your server.rb will stop at `gets'
+ 40018 [peter@se an ] If you want help then you will need to supply us with more than this.
+ 40019 [nobu.nokada@] I saw your previous post and tried to investigate your problem,
40036 [jean_hugues_] Nabu, your are a nice guy
Unicode in Ruby's Future?
40016 [gehlker@fa t] I was reading through "The Ruby Way" and noticed the sentence: "Because Ruby
+ 40020 [nobu.nokada@] Ruby M17N will support mulitple encodings. And also, ruby
| 40025 [pbrannan@at ] What is L18N?
| 40026 [dossy@pa op ] I18N = Internationalization
| 40029 [nobu.nokada@] Sorry, type of L10N or couldn't count more than 3.
+ 40021 [dossy@pa op ] I think a lot of M17N/I18N can be accomplished today in Ruby by
+ 40030 [matz@ru y- a] + string indexing is based on character, even for multi-byte
+ 40031 [pbrannan@at ] Will there be a "wide string" type, so that I can do indexing without a
| 40039 [matz@ru y- a] "Wide string" such as UCS4 may be defined as one of character encoding
+ 40035 [gehlker@fa t] Thanks to Matz and everyone who responded. I really like where Ruby is
40038 [jean_hugues_] Hum... I was assuming that the current String would keep being byte based
freeze and exception safety
40022 [pbrannan@at ] class Foo
+ 40023 [chris.morris] What about this? Do a deep-clone of your Container, attempt to freeze
| 40024 [pbrannan@at ] class Foo
+ 40084 [decoux@mo lo] Be carefull with this because one day a stupid person like me will try to
40215 [pbrannan@at ] It will only unfreeze if an exception is thrown and the object was not
The program's URL
40028 [kgergely@ml ] You can download it as
Premature end of script headers
40043 [ccos@bi po d] ...
+ 40044 [pate@ey er a] what happens when you run the script from the command line?
| + 40045 [pate@ey er a] doh! I should have seen this before I sent the mail
| | 40048 [ccos@bi po d] hey there,
| | 40050 [pate@ey er a] Can you run the scripts from the command line?
| + 40046 [kentda@st d.] I didn't think this line was necessary? I've never outputted it
| 40047 [kentda@st d.] [ misquote by me ]
+ 40051 [irv.mullins@] /usr/bin/ruby
| 40054 [gehlker@fa t] Sometimes the 'one click installers' don't put stuff in the same place as
| 40062 [ccos@bi po d] yeah they had it like that in the practical programmer book, and that's
| + 40063 [ccos@bi po d] [error] (8)Exec format error: exec of
| + 40066 [nobu.nokada@] Not everywhere, I heared some systems have /bin/env instead.
| + 40070 [gehlker@fa t] It is a file. In fact it's a little program that executes whatever program
| + 40074 [ccos@bi po d] ...
| | + 40076 [ccos@bi po d] hahaha,
| | | 40090 [pate@ey er a] possibly, it depends on what the permissions were before you did the first
| | + 40103 [gehlker@fa t] That little 'Magic Menu' thing in their commercial version uses the Unix
| + 40075 [tobiasreif@p] I use the shebang line on Window with Apache.
| + 40078 [alwyn@al yn ] 'dlfcn.h'? That's for 'dlopen' etc. What I did was copy it into the
| 40204 [gehlker@fa t] Well, I got it to build but not using GNU make. I ended up turning it into a
+ 40065 [sean@ch tt n] 1) Do you have access to your error logs?
methods disappearing in ruby-mysql-2.4.2a
40053 [bhilton@vp p] Sorry to cross-post to ruby-dbi-devel, but I wasn't sure which list
40058 [alan@di ik t] I don't use ruby dbi with mysql, but my first reaction would be to
ANNOUNCE: PageTemplate 0.1.0
40055 [brian@co ln ] I thought I'd greet the weekend with the first-ever release of one of my own
+ 40056 [pbrannan@at ] Sounds nifty!
+ 40059 [pate@ey er a] Congrats! Funny things, I was just working with HTML::Template today and
40067 [sean@ch tt n] If memory serves, someone's already ported HTML::Template to ruby.
+ 40068 [brian@co ln ] I noticed that while I was adding my entry to the RAA. Still, PageTemplate
+ 40071 [dsafari@xt a] Or try..
rubygarden HtmlTemplates (Re: ANNOUNCE: PageTemplate 0.1.0)
40057 [brian@co ln ] Thanks for the reminder. Ok, I've made my addition to the page!
call to os x cgi rubites
40072 [ccos@bi po d] well, i've got a real headache from trying to figure out unix, cgi, and
40183 [patrick-may@] It might be easier for the list to help with one problem at the time.
40185 [ccos@bi po d] hey there,
emacs, inf-ruby, run-load-file removing \ filesep on Windows ?
40079 [jean_hugues_] Windows specific issue here, don't waste your time more if you're U*x.
+ 40080 [jean_hugues_] I don't know. But changing " into ' is OK too. The reason is: it is Ruby
+ 40085 [nobu.nokada@] Simply, you can use slashes instead of backslashes which have
40097 [jean_hugues_] Agree.
40123 [nobu.nokada@] Well, you mean using read-file-name?
40150 [jean_hugues_] I am uncertain about what you mean. According to what you stated in a
40154 [nobu.nokada@] Sorry, I meant followings.
Class variable weirdness
40082 [szegedy@t- n] Recently I had some problemin one of my Ruby scripts.
+ 40083 [decoux@mo lo] Well, there is a bug in your version of linux :-)))
+ 40087 [matz@ru y- a] Fair enough. 1.6.7 has a bug (or misfeature) in class variable
40088 [szegedy@t- n] Thanks a lot!
Re: [Ruby-DBI-devel] methods disappearing in ruby-mysql-2.4.2a
40091 [bhilton@vp p] It turns out the error is expected. Mysql objects don't have the
40098 [sean@ch tt n] [moving discussion to firstname.lastname@example.org, reply there]
Ruby extensions - pushing classes into other modules
40092 [djberg96@at ] I'm trying to write extensions for a bunch of little unix utilities,
40093 [decoux@mo lo] module, no ?
40109 [djberg96@at ] Oops. Yes, right.
+ 40121 [nobu.nokada@] It worked correctly for me.
+ 40136 [decoux@mo lo] I'm not sure if it's a good idea to have capital letter for the name of a
[FXRuby] SEL_MOTION for FXWindow, etc.
40095 [Martin.Man@s] [please CC me on the replies]
40241 [jlj@cf rc co] I know that in some older versions of FOX, Jeroen had only turned on the
40096 [Martin.Man@s] [please CC me on the replies]
40240 [jlj@cf rc co] This was broken in FXRuby-1.0.3 but is fixed for the upcoming release (due
OT:is software eng an art?
40099 [ptkwt@sh ll ] I signed up for a free seminar that's being held at a grad school nearby
+ 40100 [tobiasreif@p] Sometimes it's neither, sometimes it's both; it's not exclusive.
+ 40102 [jweirich@on ] I would use the term "craft" rather than "art".
+ 40104 [gehlker@fa t] Karl E. Wiegers speaks about "The misguided notion that software is art and
| + 40105 [whizkid@xn t] Mind me... but I feel like stating my oppinions regarding this issue. I
| | + 40106 [brian@co ln ] I've always thought that the whole art/science split is rather arbitrary. It
| | | 40128 [dossy@pa op ] Pure science/engineering is usually useful (nay, required?) when
| | | 40186 [Steve.Merric] I've seen this comment, in this discussion, one too many times - it's
| | | + 40201 [dossy@pa op ] You never need to apologize to me. :-)
| | | + 40208 [gehlker@fa t] On 5/13/02 3:39 AM, "Steve Merrick" <Steve.Merrick@anti-spam.Marconi.com>
| | + 40107 [Ephaeton@gm ] You're missing a point. Science IS art.
| | | 40110 [ser@ge ma e-] 1) In Art, you create something that exists to be interpreted, and often,
| | | + 40113 [rick@ri kb a] Bah.
| | | | + 40115 [tobiasreif@p] All those are overgeneralized assumptions, to a degree that they are not true.
| | | | | 40116 [rick@ri kb a] Gimme a break, man ;-)
| | | | + 40118 [alwagner@tc ] Well said!
| | | | + 40120 [ser@ge ma e-] Can art be objective? I remember a debate about a hypothetical pile of
| | | | | 40126 [ptkwt@sh ll ] I like this... Again, there is an intersection between engineering and
| | | | | + 40130 [james@ru yx ] What about those of us who are both engineers and artists?
| | | | | + 40132 [ser@ge ma e-] Yah. I think I was trying to say that, IMHO, engineering is the point of
| | | | | + 40133 [rick@ri kb a] [ Forgive me for bowing out of the discussion after blowing at the fire
| | | | | + 41798 [list@NO PA c] Well, that works within a model. Actually, most of the geometry we
| | | | | 41802 [list@ch om t] Something wicked in mutt (aka something stupid I didn't notice I did)
| | | | | 41805 [alwagner@tc ] It's not a subject you can beat to death. I enjoyed your posts.
| | | | + 40124 [ptkwt@sh ll ] very post-modern.... while modernity maintained a lot of 'either-or'
| | | | + 40129 [dossy@pa op ] In Art, one creates something from nothing or at best nothing more
| | | | 40131 [airboss@no e] Not so. Similar to the manner in which scientists build theories on
| | | + 40138 [patrick-may@] The arts community is tolerant of different ideologies. However, each
| | | | + 40142 [whizkid@xn t] Well, I may be off-topic, howevere I feel to add on what Phill said. I
| | | | + 40157 [ser@ge ma e-] Agreed. This comes back to whether the nature of Art lies more in the
| | | | 40181 [patrick-may@] This is a funny thread.
| | | + 40187 [Steve.Merric] Art.
| | + 40112 [ptkwt@sh ll ] So software engineering may lie at the intersection of art and science.
| | 40122 [gehlker@fa t] I think "art" is broad enough to include software. Radu sort of set up a
| | 40127 [ptkwt@sh ll ] Sure, it's why we (as a society) try to save buildings designed by Frank
| + 40111 [ptkwt@sh ll ] Quite true. I didn't mean to make that dichotomy in the final question.
+ 40125 [dossy@pa op ] Software Engineering is a science. System Design is an art.
| + 40134 [rick@ri kb a] Just a couple quick notes then I'll go huddle up with some more stories.
| + 40135 [ptkwt@sh ll ] That's been the traditional view of software construction: that you have a
| + 40230 [Steve.Merric] This isn't a statement of belief, it's an objective claim. If valid, it
| 40248 [dossy@pa op ] If it were art, it'd be called "software artistry" not "software
| + 40249 [mps@di co sy] Why did Knuth call his books "The Art of Computer Programming"?
| | 40251 [dossy@pa op ] I distinguish between Software Engineering and Computer Programming.
| | + 40333 [dennisn@pe n] engineering" had not yet been invented.
| | + 40340 [dennisn@pe n] This brought up a foggy memory which I tried to chase down abit. In 1974,
| + 40255 [hal9000@hy e] <sarcasm mode="friendly">
| + 40266 [james@ru yx ] Hmm. I was taught it was a branch of mathematics, and that hard-core
| | + 40267 [hal9000@hy e] sullied
| | | 40268 [james@ru yx ] *Gasp!* Oh no! Haven't you heard the joke?
| | + 40270 [dossy@pa op ] James++
| | + 40278 [ser@ge ma e-] In olden days of yore, when computers were just used to calculate artillery
| + 40282 [mike@st k. o] I know someone has already mentioned Knuth, but if you have a copy of "Literate
| | + 40284 [brian@co ln ] Then when you're done with that, you can always try "The Religion of
| | + 40307 [Steve.Merric] George
| | 40319 [mike@st k. o] Oddly enough I was put onto Lakoff & Johnson by being pointed at
| + 40289 [gehlker@fa t] I'm always interested when I read something like this because the scale
| | + 40304 [Stephan.Kaem] Not neccessarily....
| | | 40318 [gehlker@fa t] On 5/14/02 1:09 AM, "Stephan K?mper" <Stephan.Kaemper@Schleswig-Holstein.de>
| | + 40345 [hal9000@hy e] Now we're WOT (Way Off Topic)... :)
| | 40353 [gehlker@fa t] Yeah! But this is kind of fun.
| + 40303 [Stephan.Kaem] Nice to know I not the only physicist (albeit no longer working in that
+ 40167 [dennisn@pe n] Interesting question. You invited opinions, so here's mine.
+ 41803 [list@ch om t] Greeks thought of art in terms of beautiful technique. They arguably
41815 [r2d2@ac .u u] And geeks think of art in terms of beautiful technology.