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simple HTTP Post Xml request
327528 [emanuelef@ti] I'm trying to post a xml to a server for encoding a file
+ 327529 [bbxx789_05ss] Those are incompatible statements.  Servers live somewhere on the net,
+ 327530 [dylan.star@g] If the http server doesn't care about the path can't you just use any? such
  327531 [emanuelef@ti] thanks for answering.
  + 327538 [bbxx789_05ss] Where is "the server" that you are referring to?  And by "where" I mean
  + 327545 [lasitha.rana] With the disclaimer than i haven't used net/http much, the following
    327550 [emanuelef@ti] Thanks a lot !!!

mutex
327533 [vetrivel.bks] I have more doutes on mutex.So I need Mutex concepts with more examples.
327565 [shortcutter@] remember.guy do |as, often| as.you_can - without end

http to https redirect
327535 [rejikumarrv@] Needed some help with http to https redirection. I have a
327536 [rejikumarrv@] I am based out of Bangalore, India. Please excuse if you find any delay
327539 [rejikumarrv@] Or is it that we have to encrypt the user name & password in the
327540 [rejikumarrv@] I removed the back and forth redirection between http and https. Now it
327547 [rejikumarrv@] Well, just came to know that http analyzer hooks into windows APIs and

Question on installing gem upgrades
327558 [mmc_collins@] I have upgraded my gem watir 1.5.6 to 1.6.2 without removing 1.5.6. Do

Float in Spreadsheet
327560 [igsnhelp@ru ] I am using the ruby spreadsheet gem to create Excel files from within
327852 [igsnhelp@ru ] Can no one help me?
327854 [azimuth-ruby] What's your problem?
327855 [igsnhelp@ru ] No worries, it's just that spent ages writing this app and everything
+ 327856 [larsch@be un] Excel treats 34 and 34.00 as the same number (and Ruby treat 34.0 and
| 358880 [s.cambour@gm] nb_format = Spreadsheet::Format.new  :number_format => '0,000'
| 358881 [s.cambour@gm] I found a solution. To avoid leading zeros, you have to set the frmat as
+ 327857 [keeperotphon] This looks like a formatting problem.  I don't have an answer for you, but
  327858 [hannes.wyss@] Jim, Victor,
  327864 [igsnhelp@ru ] Thanks ever so much for the replies.
  327877 [rick.denatal] Might I suggest is that the real moral is that the community is much more
  327878 [igsnhelp@ru ] Uh, get off your moral high horse Rick.
  327894 [rick.denatal] All I'm suggesting is that I see lots of questions like your initial post
  327906 [igsnhelp@ru ] And if all you were trying to do was to make a suggestion (and not sound
  328030 [igsnhelp@ru ] Alright, I had a couple of emails overnight agreeing (quite politely)

calling class method from instance ..
327561 [wbsurfver@gm] I was puzzled on this but figured out a way to do it. Figured I'd post
+ 327576 [robert.dober] IMHO this call syntax is optimal, because agnostic to the class name.
+ 327584 [bbxx789_05ss] class Test
| 327600 [rick.denatal] That's fine unless you want to, say, override the class method in a subclass
| 327607 [robert.dober] Good point, but there is another issue here.
+ 327618 [mike.gold.44] I think Object#class is something to be avoided in most cases.  Frankly

Regexp ops: get rid of !=~?
327566 [gary.yngve@g] The proper way to see if something doesn't match is
+ 327683 [b.candler@po] The problem here is ~/bar/
+ 327685 [b.candler@po] irb(main):001:0> Regexp.class_eval{undef_method :~}

regex to escape special characters
327568 [jgarvin.list] I've got the following string...
+ 327570 [rmagick@gm i] irb shows you the result using p, which escapes special characters in
| 327571 [jgarvin.list] ...
+ 327574 [badboy@he rt] you know Regexp.escape ?
  327631 [tomcloyd@co ] Yikes...thanks for the reminder. I always seem to find 6 hard ways to do

Sanity check on File.dirname
327578 [djberg96@gm ] I need a quick sanity check.
327653 [pit.capitain] Dan, they differ if the path isn't nested deeply enough, for example

String#split "feature"
327583 [gary.yngve@g] (in ruby 1.8.6...)
+ 327586 [bbxx789_05ss] =====
| 327587 [Rob@Ag le on] Interestingly, this feature is described in String#scan, but the ri
+ 327599 [fred@la av .] It's quite useful.  Note that you can always use non-capturing groups

Ruby 1.9 one-click installer - or at least stable binary for windows?
327589 [Aldric Giaco] I read from the official Ruby 1.9.1 thread that none of the devs use
327625 [luislavena@g] On Feb 10, 7:18=A0pm, Aldric Giacomoni <"aldric[remove]"@trevoke.net>
327677 [Aldric Giaco] Thank you Luis - I'm still very new to reading newsgroups and I'm using

Counting Occurrences of a String in an Array
327594 [shrouded.sho] I'm pretty new to Ruby, and I've been trying to figure out the best
+ 327595 [rodrigo.berm] Sounds like greping !
+ 327596 [dblack@ru yp] array.map {|str| str.count('a') }
+ 327597 [fred@la av .] When you need to map elements of an array to another array, the method
+ 327598 [TimHunter@nc] irb(main):008:0> a = ["aaa", "aab", "abb", "bbb"]

GC and Threads
327601 [james@gr yp ] * Ruby can GC a Thread that has run to completion if you no longer
+ 327602 [james@gr yp ] Actually, this is difficult to judge.  For example, this script has =20
| 327606 [vjoel@pa h. ] Btw, this is the same as
+ 327611 [ninja@sl ph ] Not sure.
  327617 [james@gr yp ] It seems this is at least somewhat true.  See the script I posted

how to do the recursion
327610 [chen_li3@ya ] In order to study recursion, I want to change a decimal number into a
+ 327613 [pjb@in or at] This is a local variable.  It won't cross recursive call boundaries!
+ 327619 [w_a_x_man@ya] If you found Pascal's code somewhat puzzling, let me explain.
| + 327620 [chen_li3@ya ] Thank you for your rubyish code.
| | + 327621 [cmdicely@gm ] Ruby doesn't really have "functions", as such, but methods of the
| | + 327641 [w_a_x_man@ya] That line is not complete by itself.  The following lines provide
| + 327622 [chen_li3@ya ] When you define method dec_to_binary, you pass two parameters.
| | + 327640 [w_a_x_man@ya] I told dec_to_binary to use the default value [] for result
| | + 327656 [pjb@in or at] That's possible because we specified a default value of some of these parameters.
| |   327682 [chen_li3@ya ] Thanks for the explanation. But I wonder which page in the PickAxe
| + 327624 [pjb@in or at] Indeed.  But at least, I write _ruby_ code in c.l.r.
|   327644 [w_a_x_man@ya] Don't hesitate to post Commune Lisp solutions to problems presented
+ 327686 [matt@ha ps a] The main idea behind recursion is that we break a problem into a
  327701 [chen_li3@ya ] Thank you very much. Your explanation is so sweet!

Ruby0 was Re: ruby interpreter written in ruby..
327615 [john.carter@] I strongly agree with you, what you have been doing _is_ very

redefining @my_attr=
327626 [mike.cahill@] I want to write a generic validator that ensures an attr value is in a
+ 327628 [james.britt@] The connection between a method foo=(val) and some instance variable
+ 327693 [rick.denatal] No, not in general.  @attrib = value involves a primitive assignment

entertainmaint
327630 [ugarugar@gm ] ...

How to reduce your electricity bill
327632 [jwestinghous] How to reduce your electricity bill
327635 [zznmeb@gm il] computer room when I hit "CTL-ALT-PageDown". Does that help?

unsubcribe
327634 [tom_hoffer@y] ...
327729 [koleenschoon] ...
+ 327734 [stefan.klecu] ry
+ 327735 [gregory.t.br] Do not highjack threads.  Start a new post rather than replying to an

interval based program
327636 [balavrscse@g] I am newbie to Ruby Programming Language. I want to send mail to

Problem with mysql gem installation
327638 [ubernoobs@gm] doing work with actual web applications. My server, setup in Debian

simple class question
327645 [tomcloyd@co ] Tonight I'm exploring the problem of tossing a value at a class instance
+ 327657 [shortcutter@] There is no problem - other than probably that you do not yet know
| 327659 [tomcloyd@co ] God help me. I had NO idea about this "#send" business. None. Everything
+ 327661 [bbxx789_05ss] I think you should have got 99.  You called the method t2=(), and t2=()
| 327664 [tomcloyd@co ] Thanks much for your thoughts. You added some material I didn't see (or
| 327666 [bbxx789_05ss] I'm a ruby beginner too.
+ 327681 [b.candler@po] Just to make it clear, although you probably realise by now: you're not

FixNum#times is correct?
327646 [ibc@al ax ne] Iaki Baz Castillo
+ 327647 [ben@bl yt in] irb(main):005:0> 5.times {|i| puts i}
| 327650 [ibc@al ax ne] Ops, my IRB configuration is not helping me :)
+ 327648 [stefano.croc] The 5 you see is the return value of 5.times, which irb displays as it does=
+ 327649 [alex@si on v] Haha!

Host Webrick servlets with Apache FastCGI?
327654 [ast@at wn ey] Been away from the list for a while, but I can't seem to find a good

Method to get string combinations
327658 [cb@un se .a ] "This {is|was} a {good|nice} day" and want to generate possible
+ 327660 [jgabrielygal] There was a similar question on this list recently, I'll try to find
| 327662 [cb@un se .a ] Wow, this is really useful! Especially in a general way like that.
| 327667 [jgabrielygal] BTW, I have found the other post that was similar. I don't know how to
| 327668 [jg@sa do r. ] tries to handle nested braces like Dir.glob. Seems working fine.
+ 327665 [cidza@ti .i ] ciao
+ 327680 [cidza@ti .i ] my_text = "This {is|was} a {good|nice} day"
+ 327825 [w_a_x_man@ya] def comb ary
  327863 [cidza@ti .i ] William's code is amazing!

Redefine modules?
327663 [caseyandstan] I am quite new to Ruby and make some experiences with modules and
327675 [pit.capitain] module Cucc
327882 [caseyandstan] it's OK, but I still don't understand what is the situation when
327904 [rick.denatal] You've got two or three misconceptions here.
327955 [pit.capitain] Thanks Rick for the detailed explanation. As you know I've been too

require behaviour
327669 [maran.asteri] Dear folks,
327672 [dylan.star@g] Override require with an array an variable length argument list, which will
327673 [dylan.star@g] * Original

Problem writing a Faster_csv generated record to a file
327671 [schang@wx .n] op = File.new("C:/Test/testmap.csv", "w")
327679 [b.candler@po] Only part of it - you haven't shown what sort of object custrecord is,
327700 [schang@wx .n] Many thanks for your suggestion to use the inspect method. That revealed

Array#to_hash
327689 [transfire@gm] Would any problems arise from extending Array with this?
+ 327690 [matz@ru y- a] Nothing I can think of, except that I have never wanted such
| + 327748 [robert.dober] Yeah the usecase somehow eludes me too. Did you mean
| + 327802 [transfire@gm] True enough. And maybe there never will be. There are many words in
+ 327761 [shortcutter@] It is still the question that David has mentioned a few days ago: there
+ 327820 [w_a_x_man@ya] a=[:a,:b,:c]
| 327826 [dblack@ru yp] You'd want to use flatten(1) so as to avoid over-flattening.
+ 327850 [w_a_x_man@ya] a = [:a,:b,:c]
  327994 [transfire@gm] Ha ha. Very funny. It may seem silly,  but "identity principles" often
  328010 [micathom@gm ] How often did you actually want to do this during the past five years?
  328127 [transfire@gm] Just to be clear, I'm not asking that it be put into core Ruby. Just
  328402 [coldchips@gm] yes i agree with you Trans

mysql.bundle problem
327696 [silbermm@gm ] I'm not sure what is going on, but anytime I try to use the mysql class

Work around for wait with timeout and count_waiters
327697 [sharat.mohan] I was using following code in ruby 1.8

If you are unhappy with the direction of Ruby 1.8.7+, respond
327704 [gregory.t.br] I am setting up two threads in the hopes that we can see names
+ 327709 [james@gr yp ] I'm bothered by the new versioning scheme.
| + 327714 [default@sp r] +1
| + 327762 [shortcutter@] Well, but this is usual, isn't it?  If you want exact 1.8.6 then take
|   327773 [rick.denatal] That's the industry practice, a minor version number change normally means
|   327832 [billk@ct .c ] For what it's worth, my recollection is that matz wasn't
|   + 327842 [vjoel@pa h. ] I remember that... did anyone ever suggest other number bases?
|   + 327865 [charles.nutt] I remember the discussions. I stand by my assertion that this is a bug.
|     327889 [ymendel@po o] On Feb 12, 4:21=A0am, Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nut...@sun.com>
|     + 327890 [dblack@ru yp] ...
|     + 327891 [fred@la av .] (irb):5: warning: already initialized constant RUBY_VERSION
|     + 327988 [charles.nutt] Yes, that's what I meant.
+ 327711 [jcoglan@go g] 2009/2/11 Gregory Brown <gregory.t.brown@gmail.com>
+ 327712 [alex@de et m] "Yes.  Backporting syntactic changes is a big part of the plan for ruby
| 327867 [roberto@RE O] It boggles the mind to read that. I have an enormous respect for you
+ 327715 [ninja@sl ph ] I'll write two posts.
| + 327718 [radek.bulat@] confused with Ruby versioning policy.
| | 327723 [dmilith@gm i] 1.MAJOR_VERSION.MINOR_VERSION
| | 327728 [rupert@ru es] +1
| + 327719 [zznmeb@gm il] 1. The Ruby community should proceed with all deliberate speed towards
| + 327720 [zznmeb@gm il] 1. The Ruby community should proceed with all deliberate speed towards
| + 327736 [phlip2005@gm] If it has to use parts of the new parser, can it use Ripper??
+ 327721 [zznmeb@gm il] 1. The Ruby community should proceed with all deliberate speed towards
| + 327737 [matt@te hn r] Yeah, look what it did to Forth.
| | + 327739 [gregory.t.br] Don't just say it, show it.
| | | 327743 [eleanor@ga e] Too many old Forth hands on here ;p
| | + 327742 [zznmeb@gm il] The process of ANS standardization focused the Forth community and
| |   327755 [w_a_x_man@ya] The process of ANS standardization decimated the Forth community and
| |   327812 [zznmeb@gm il] I don't think that's the case. What "decimated" the Forth community
| + 327763 [rick.denatal] Matz and his team announced that they were beginning and effort towards this
| + 327798 [shyouhei@ru ] But what if they want to waste their energy there?
|   + 327824 [hramrach@ce ] That's completely fine but then mark the bright new idea as such, not
|   + 327830 [alex@de et m] Then they have picked the wrong place for their energies. People should
|     327843 [shyouhei@ru ] I don't intend to attack but for instance _why hasn't been touching his yaml
|     327847 [phlip2005@gm] +1
+ 327724 [synfinatic@g] +1
+ 327726 [zac@za br wn] As a new Ruby user coming to the language, I've found it fairly
| 327730 [pat.eyler@gm] At work, we've already been bitten by 1.8.6 -> 1.8.7 problems.
| 328015 [w_a_x_man@ya] Have you at work been using practices as egregiously substandard
+ 327741 [ruby@ne 15 .] +1
+ 327744 [charles.nutt] I am not happy.
| + 327814 [shyouhei@ru ] This can of course be avoided if someone else follows me to continue supporting
| + 327821 [hramrach@ce ] +1
| | 327822 [zznmeb@gm il] I haven't checked Fedora recently, but openSUSE 11.1 ships Ruby 1.8.7 as well.
| + 328104 [Maurice.Diam] +1 for the main question,
+ 327745 [robert.dober] Good idea Greg, now that Ruby1.9 is out I really fail to see the
+ 327756 [rick.denatal] +1024!
| + 327769 [pit.capitain] I've seen many people claiming this, and they might be right of
| | + 327774 [james@gr yp ] Object.new.tap { |o| p o }
| | | + 327782 [rick.denatal] True, although the real issue is that there is code which runs on 1.8.6 and
| | | | 327790 [serabe@gm il] But this is because the former was consider a bug or for another
| | | + 327892 [perfectly.no] 1.8.x releases always introduced new methods.
| | |   + 327893 [phlip2005@gm] What a great way to lead people into your viewpoint!
| | |   | 327896 [perfectly.no] "RubyNode is a library that allows read only access to Ruby's
| | |   | 327967 [phlip2005@gm] So if Ruby 1.8.7 had broken RubyInline, that would be okay?
| | |   | 327972 [perfectly.no] If it relies on MRI internals there would definitely be
| | |   + 327897 [jcoglan@go g] git clone git://github.com/jcoglan/packr.git packr
| | |   | 327901 [perfectly.no] It would be helpful to see exactly what fails.
| | |   | 327905 [jcoglan@go g] The cause of the failing tests is a change to Hash ordering between
| | |   | 327910 [perfectly.no] What do you mean with "Hash ordering"?
| | |   | + 327914 [ezmobius@gm ] Engine Yard is willing to step up as the official maintainer of
| | |   | | + 327917 [ola.bini@gm ] +1.
| | |   | | + 327918 [gregory.t.br] This would give those of us who need a stable legacy 1.8 to follow a
| | |   | | | 327954 [pit.capitain] Gregory, there is no Ruby 1.8 and has never been. There have been
| | |   | | | 327957 [gregory.t.br] You keep saying this but frankly, it's ridiculous.  Yes, you can find
| | |   | | | + 327961 [pit.capitain] So we agree to disagree. Though I'd be interested in what you'd define
| | |   | | | | + 327966 [gregory.t.br] I understand what you mean here, and actually, you're right in saying
| | |   | | | | | 327975 [pit.capitain] Yeah, I think I understand you, too. Of course you could develop right
| | |   | | | | | 327979 [robert.dober] That is a very good point. My issues however are much more of a
| | |   | | | | + 327968 [vjoel@pa h. ] "Ruby 1.8" is that which installs libraries into
| | |   | | | | + 328139 [b.candler@po] Until now, it didn't matter. Most code written under 1.8.6 ran quite
| | |   | | | + 327974 [zznmeb@gm il] But that still leaves a communication gap between two groups of
| | |   | | |   328026 [hramrach@ce ] 1.8.7, obviously. It's there for ages already, and lenny is frozen
| | |   | | + 327919 [rick.denatal] +1
| | |   | | | + 327922 [gregory.t.br] Just a thought...
| | |   | | | | 327931 [pat.eyler@gm] which probably means Ruby 1.8.6.1 or Ruby186 1.0
| | |   | | | | 327939 [gregory.t.br] Yeah, I think maybe 1.8.6.1 is a better idea than what I offered, actually.
| | |   | | | + 327926 [james@gr yp ] 1.8.6.1 perhaps?  It still sorts well.
| | |   | | | + 327930 [ola.bini@gm ] What about 1.8.6.1?
| | |   | | | | + 327949 [rick.denatal] As long as the downstream packagers pick up on it, but without additional
| | |   | | | | | 327951 [pat.eyler@gm] [elided]
| | |   | | | | + 328074 [zznmeb@gm il] Someone suggested having 1.8.8 being 1.8.6 syntax and semantics with
| | |   | | | | | + 328099 [rick.denatal] Bad idea, IMHO.
| | |   | | | | | + 328107 [james@gr yp ] => false
| | |   | | | | | + 328154 [charles.nutt] IMHO, Engine Yard should not take over Ruby 1.8.6 to take it in new
| | |   | | | | + 328151 [charles.nutt] As much as I dislike the patchlevel concept, it would be very cumbersome
| | |   | | | + 327952 [nobu@ru y- a] 1.8.6-p###.
| | |   | | |   + 327962 [tom@in oe he] +1 on that.  I never even consider downloading 1.8.7 or later for a
| | |   | | |   + 328152 [charles.nutt] Agreed, just to make more noise about this. The p-numbers aren't great
| | |   | | + 327920 [jan.h.xie@gm] =20
| | |   | | + 327923 [pat.eyler@gm] Ezra, this would be an incredible step.  Please, please do it.
| | |   | | + 327932 [ninja@sl ph ] +1
| | |   | | + 327938 [zznmeb@gm il] 1. Would there be a chance of merging the efficiencies of Ruby
| | |   | | | + 327977 [luislavena@g] ainer of
| | |   | | | + 328028 [matz@ru y- a] No please.  Any new technology for 1.8 should merged in HEAD first,
| | |   | | |   328163 [charles.nutt] Agreed here...1.8.6 should become more stable, and all changes should
| | |   | | + 327947 [rupert@ru es] That'd be great!
| | |   | | + 327998 [onepoint@st ] This is excellent!
| | |   | | | 328004 [guru@gn zo .] The entire 1.8.x series should be backward compatible to 1.8.6 NOT
| | |   | | + 328054 [mo_mail@on h] Yes... (and thanks!)
| | |   | |   328060 [jdmuys@kl eg] On 2/13/09 1:00 AM, "ruby-talk-admin@ruby-lang.org"
| | |   | |   328094 [w_a_x_man@ya] On Feb 13, 7:11=A0am, Jean-Denis Muys
| | |   | + 327924 [jcoglan@go g] In 1.8.6, iteration order would be the same as the order that the keys
| | |   | | 327937 [perfectly.no] Iteration order is undefined, even for hash literals.
| | |   | | + 328013 [w_a_x_man@ya] +1
| | |   | | | 328042 [jcoglan@go g] 2009/2/13 William James <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com>
| | |   | | | 328075 [rick.denatal] For Ruby 1.9, the issue is settled.  Ruby 1.9 is a new and different Ruby
| | |   | | + 328036 [jcoglan@go g] Granted. As I've said elsewhere, this is just my example of a significant
| | |   | |   328043 [w_a_x_man@ya] No, it's not a gray area.  Anyone who has a basic understanding of
| | |   | |   + 328045 [jcoglan@go g] 2009/2/13 William James <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com>
| | |   | |   + 328073 [rick.denatal] Let me try to calm the waters on this particular part of the conversation.
| | |   | |   | 328076 [dblack@ru yp] Hashes aren't ordered in 1.8.7, though.
| | |   | |   | + 328079 [jcoglan@go g] 2009/2/13 David A. Black <dblack@rubypal.com>
| | |   | |   | | 328082 [dblack@ru yp] That doesn't happen in any 1.8 version, though. (Sorry; I feel like
| | |   | |   | | 328084 [jcoglan@go g] Regardless of whether they're *supposed* to, the Rubies I've used before
| | |   | |   | | + 328087 [akr@fs j. rg] Would you show us an example which the insertion order is
| | |   | |   | | + 328090 [perfectly.no] NO THEY DO NOT. It is the nature of a regular hashtable that
| | |   | |   | | | 328100 [jcoglan@go g] I'm really not up for a slanging match so let me just say that, in code I've
| | |   | |   | | | + 328102 [dblack@ru yp] It's not a bug; there was never any defined order behavior, so no
| | |   | |   | | | + 328114 [perfectly.no] A hidden bug in your code because of an incorrect assumption.
| | |   | |   | | | + 328128 ["William Jam] It's bad to write code that works by accident.
| | |   | |   | | | | + 328131 [phlip2005@gm] There's a big difference between abstract computer science theory and pragmatic
| | |   | |   | | | | | 328141 [ninja@sl ph ] Granted.
| | |   | |   | | | | + 328132 [vjoel@pa h. ] Um, how is bag["car"] implemented? How is this analogous with a hash? Do
| | |   | |   | | | + 328164 [pit.capitain] This is just not true. Period. And I can prove it.
| | |   | |   | | |   + 328166 [akr@fs j. rg] Symbol#hash is fragile.
| | |   | |   | | |   + 328196 [jcoglan@go g] That would be wonderful, thank you. Just email patches to
| | |   | |   | | |     328197 [dblack@ru yp] 1.8.7 can settle it :-)
| | |   | |   | | + 328091 [dblack@ru yp] I think it probably is machine-dependent, or something like that. I've
| | |   | |   | | | 328105 [rick.denatal] No, it's in the absence of key collisions, it's really determined by the
| | |   | |   | | | 328113 [dblack@ru yp] That's why I didn't :-)
| | |   | |   | | + 328240 [charles.nutt] They only appeared to be ordered in the cases you saw, especially in
| | |   | |   | + 328097 [rick.denatal] Which makes this part of the thread rather moot, doesn't it?!
| | |   | |   + 328106 [james@gr yp ] I guess you haven't used Ruby 1.9.  :)
| | |   | |     328124 [phlip2005@gm] There's a big difference between abstract computer science theory and pragmatic
| | |   | + 327991 [matz@ru y- a] I think he relied on the version/implementation specific behavior, so
| | |   |   328031 [hramrach@ce ] I'm sorry if I personally added to this kind of view. Unlike earlier
| | |   |   328032 [matz@ru y- a] I expect you to be more concrete and specific about minor problems.
| | |   |   + 328038 [hramrach@ce ] Yes, I would like to be more concrete. Unfortunately, it's some time
| | |   |   | 328044 [matz@ru y- a] Indeed, and I want to fix it.
| | |   |   + 328095 [rick.denatal] I trust that you know me well enough to know, that while I have strong
| | |   |     + 328115 [zznmeb@gm il] I saw a (fairly boring) panel discussion on "The Future of Enterprise
| | |   |     + 328130 [transfire@gm] or
| | |   |       328145 [robert.dober] It indeed was, though technically fine! It seems that it killed its sibling. :(
| | |   + 327898 [dblack@ru yp] There's no mob. I wish people would stop using that word in this
| | |   | 327903 [dblack@ru yp] I think there are two important points to keep in mind. First, it's a
| | |   | 328020 [w_a_x_man@ya] No, I don't.  I enjoy having new methods, so long as the behavior of
| | |   + 328011 [w_a_x_man@ya] +1
| | + 327775 [alex@de et m] Well, Rails. And many SWIG-based C-extensions - eg wxRuby.
| | | + 327784 [fred@la av .] Somehow, I was wondering why the "new" code in 1.8.(7|8) isn't made
| | | | 327810 [ninja@sl ph ] I don't see why it would be -- wouldn't be the first C extension -- but
| | | + 327785 [pit.capitain] AFAIK 1.8.7 introduced a method that Rails was using. This could have
| | | | 327827 [alex@de et m] That's the point: library authors should be able to write against a
| | | + 327829 [matz@ru y- a] We know the Rails issue (and solved), but could you elaborate on
| | |   327831 [alex@de et m] ...
| | |   328024 [shyouhei@ru ] This is not our fault.  Please hold on and think yourself.  GC is running means
| | |   + 328029 [alex@de et m] Thanks. I perfectly understand the reason for the change, although the
| | |   | 328052 [nobu@ru y- a] And the workaround has been introduced into 1.8.7 already, so
| | |   + 328080 [cmdicely@gm ] GC is running may mean the interpreter is running out of memory, it
| | |     328256 [shyouhei@ru ] True, but that doesn't change the conclusion.
| | + 327803 [jcoglan@go g] 2009/2/11 Pit Capitain <pit.capitain@gmail.com>
| + 327868 [roberto@RE O] Following a ticket I opened a few weeks ago, someone has created a ruby186
| + 327945 [CHubas7@gm i] +1, because things have broken.
+ 327800 [transfire@gm] +1 if 1.8.7 can't run 1.8.6 code. I don't so much care if they *add*
| 327816 [zznmeb@gm il] That's exactly *my* plan, but I don't have legacy Rails apps or large
+ 327808 [mike.gold.44] [climbs to the top of the pile-up]
| 327811 [gregory.t.br] You're right. So then perhaps the whole 1.8 series should be
| 327941 [robert.dober] I really feel that Ruby1.8.6 "deserves" more respect. It will probably
+ 327819 [thibaut.barr] I'd really love to have only 1.8.6 (or compatible) then 1.9.x.
+ 327861 [b.candler@po] I think it's too late to go back now, but +1 to wishing 1.8.7 had never
| 327933 [james@gr yp ] I have no problems with the 1.9 release.  I feel like the reasoning
| 328072 [zznmeb@gm il] I suppose once all the smoke clears on the current discussion, dare I
+ 328005 [wwalker@by e] It is absolutely wrong to change major API and syntax within a major
+ 328165 [uwe@ku os h.] +1
+ 328216 [alan.stebben] +1000
| 328230 [zznmeb@gm il] Yeah ... my vote is for two *production* versions of the Ruby syntax
+ 328254 [nobu@ru y- a] Could anyone summarize compatibility issues which really exist
  328269 [pit.capitain] * The new String#chars clashed with a method of Rails
  + 328271 [dblack@ru yp] I would just add that most of the issues brought up about 1.8.7
  | 328275 [pit.capitain] Yes, this is a nice summary of the concerns. Maybe I read Nobu's
  | 328276 [dblack@ru yp] I'm probably just on auto-pilot :-) It feels like a kind of perfect
  + 328272 [nobu@ru y- a] Thank you.
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