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How do I save a cookie in Ruby
260779 [enogrob@gm i] Anybody knows how do I save a cookie in Ruby?

why is not work ?
260786 [bkeh12@gm il] module A
260795 [caduceass@gm] Do you have a file named "b"?
260866 [bkeh12@gm il] Yes, I have.
260876 [bkeh12@gm il] irb(main):001:0> module A
260894 [nobu@ru y- a] Seems b.rb defines ::B but doesn't A::B.

RDE 1.1.1
260788 [   ds@ia .n ] On 07/ 07/ 07 sakazuki announced a release of a Ruby IDE
261048 [qzs01353@ni ] Maybe, the installer failed to setup. Please manually setup first.
261806 [   ds@ia .n ] This worked. Thank you...

Map more than one array at once
260798 [iamwil@gm il] I've been using Ruby for a while now, and have enjoyed it immensely.
+ 260799 [dan@fl en ra] def dot_prod(a, b)
+ 260807 [stefano.croc] require 'generator'
+ 260808 [olsonas@gm i] irb(main):001:0> def dot_prod a,b

BUG: ruby-mode.el : indentation after '||' disappears after a block
260803 [onepoint@st ] This is a minor bug but worth noting.  Here's some code indented by

ruby.h and warning on redefined "PACKAGE_NAME"
260810 [fwang2@gm il] #include <ruby.h>

[ANN] god 0.2.0 released
260811 [pubsub@ru yi] A lot of work has gone into god since the last release. Say goodbye to
260813 [gregory.t.br] RubyGorge?

Re: god 0.2.0 released
260815 [djberg96@gm ] On Jul 19, 12:29 pm, "Gregory Brown" <gregory.t.br...@gmail.com>
+ 260832 [Glen.F.Panko] <facetious>
+ 260846 [perrin@ap th] Man . . . I want to register rubygorge.org now.  I just don't know what
  260851 [spamtrap@do ] Too late - it's registered to a typo squatter.
  + 260853 [hal9000@hy e] That makes my forge rise.
  + 260863 [mental@ry ia] rubygehenna.org looks like it's still available.
    + 260864 [perrin@ap th] That's not as funny . . . but I'd like to see what someone does with it,
    + 260911 [martindemell] To hell with that.

Can Test/Unit output in XML?
260823 [maung@at -o ] Is there any way that I can get test/unit output file in XML format? Any
+ 260949 [richard.conr] There was a TestReport project on RubyForge, but it's been pulled or
+ 260958 [jan.svitok@g] If there's nothing ready, it should not be hard to createa custom
| 260971 [jan.svitok@g] I have had a look and it's easy to do. The "hardest" part is to define
+ 260980 [ajs.general@] ...
  260995 [maung@at -o ] Thanks to all for your suggestions and especially to Andy. It might work

Hash of arrays - whats going on?
260831 [stephen.odon] I want a hash, where the values of the keys are arrays, eg
+ 260834 [kyleaschmitt] default just lets you return a default value if the request key
+ 260845 [ben@bl yt in] The default value you provide is a reference... in this case, you say

Array flatten memory "leak"?
260836 [rm_rails@ch ] After I use "flatten" on a big array; the garbage collector
+ 260889 [ara.t.howard] not
| 261166 [rm_rails@ch ] really?
| 261194 [ara.t.howard] but assigning to variables isn't what determines whether memory is
+ 260890 [eric.mahurin] I isolated this a bit down by looking at the C code.  The culprit in

regex backreference weirdness...
260840 [kyleaschmitt] It all started with trying to convert some strings with underscores in
+ 260856 [logancapaldo] ...
+ 260862 [m_goldberg@a] or
+ 260900 [raasdnil@gm ] Instead of reinventing the wheel, you could always use the camelcase
+ 260908 [shortcutter@] You need to be aware that $1.upcase is evaluated *before* the method
+ 260922 [botp@de mo t] # #Ha ha!  gsub DOES save a backreference... so why isn't this
  260962 [kyleaschmitt] I completely, and utterly forgot about the block form of gsub.
  260969 [shortcutter@] Precisely.

rexml/document problem
260867 [coolwong85@y] [code]
260880 [phlipcpp@ya ] p node.text
260896 [coolwong85@y] if i want to update or edit the content in the xml file, how can i

simple question
260869 [anitawa@gm i] I have a string like this
+ 260884 [mick@ho li s] Are you parsing a command line? If so, you might want to consider
| 260886 [ari@ar br wn] or a gem called 'OptionParser'. It's like optparse, only, I find, a
+ 260887 [warlickt@op ] Here you go, but I just had to make one change.  Instead of having variables

IO.popen - continuous output
260872 [andy.koch@pc] is it possible to get a continuous output stream with IO.popen('xxx')
+ 260879 [garbagecat10] ...
+ 260934 [sepp2k@go gl] That *is* what you get with IO.popen.
  261207 [dzwell@gm il] I was just wondering about this, and I see that you are correct,
  + 261218 [dzwell@gm il] IO.popen("ruby -e '5.times {|n| puts n; sleep 1}'").each_line {|line|
  + 261233 [sepp2k@go gl] That seems to be a buffering issue. If you set STDOUT.sync to true in file1,
    261236 [dzwell@gm il] Thanks, that's good to know. Having this behavior unexplained made me a

How does a GEM get registered when installing one???
260874 [greg.hauptma] ...
260942 [alex@bl ck e] Just a quick check - did you install ImageMagick before running this?
260965 [greg.hauptma] ...

Is there a replacement for sub?
260892 [_mwryder@wo ] I was trying to come up with a way to remove x instances of a character
+ 260897 [cmshea@gm il] On Jul 19, 8:59 pm, "Michael W. Ryder" <_mwry...@worldnet.att.net>
| 260915 [_mwryder@wo ] I think this is where I am having problems understanding Ruby.  I have
| 260918 [shortcutter@] There is none.  a.sub! is an alternative to a = a.sub - wherever you use it.
| + 260925 [dblack@wo bl] a.sub! will modify the same string, though, whereas a = a.sub
| | 260931 [shortcutter@] Yes. I was just referring to the assumed different usage in for and
| + 260928 [_mwryder@wo ] Except where you use b = a.sub!(' ', '').  Then if you loop through this
|   260929 [martindemell] Remember that a variable is not an object, it is just a label pointing
|   261019 [_mwryder@wo ] Wrong.  Unless you use b = a.dup b will be the same as a as it is
|   + 261022 [sepp2k@go gl] Nope.
|   | 261032 [_mwryder@wo ] My mistake.  Too many tests with and without the ! operator.  I guess
|   | 261035 [dblack@wo bl] Keep in mind that the ! means that the method is the "dangerous"
|   | 261188 [_mwryder@wo ] Unfortunately, my background has always been that a function never
|   | + 261190 [renard@nc rr] The primary problem is that sub! returns nil when no substitutions are made.
|   | | + 261199 [_mwryder@wo ] And this can easily be expanded to do what I was trying to do in the
|   | | | 261225 [renard3411@g] On Jul 21, 11:40 pm, "Michael W. Ryder" <_mwry...@worldnet.att.net>
|   | | | 261305 [_mwryder@wo ] I made your suggested change with one cosmetic change.  I added return
|   | | + 261238 [dblack@wo bl] I would very, very strongly advise you, and everyone else, not to do
|   | |   261304 [_mwryder@wo ] What I planned to do was get rid of the alias and change the name of the
|   | |   + 261374 [renard3411@g] On Jul 22, 10:39 pm, "Michael W. Ryder" <_mwry...@worldnet.att.net>
|   | |   | + 261390 [renard3411@g] You might consider adding the following, so you have a matching
|   | |   | | + 261413 [robert.dober] Yours yes, mine not at all
|   | |   | | | 261443 [renard3411@g] well how about this counter example?
|   | |   | | | 261462 [botp@de mo t] # str = "hello"
|   | |   | | + 261442 [_mwryder@wo ] @str = self
|   | |   | + 261391 [_mwryder@wo ] Thanks for the updated code.  I think I will keep the subf and subf!
|   | |   |   261398 [renard3411@g] On Jul 23, 2:53 pm, "Michael W. Ryder" <_mwry...@worldnet.att.net>
|   | |   + 261378 [dblack@wo bl] I suspect you're not giving yourself enough credit :-)  Anyway, soon
|   | + 261232 [shortcutter@] It seems there is some confusion around: the only "! operator" there is
|   | + 261237 [dblack@wo bl] Think about the implications of that, though: what you're saying, in
|   + 261023 [matt.e.greer] ...
+ 260901 [pete@no ah t] a = a.sub(' ', '')
+ 260902 [m_goldberg@a] How about this?
| 260916 [_mwryder@wo ] Is there nothing in regular expressions where you can tell it to do
| + 260919 [shortcutter@] There is - kind of.  You can use {} to give repetition counts.  You can do this
| | 260927 [_mwryder@wo ] Unfortunately this is much more complicated and much harder to
| + 260987 [m_goldberg@a] OK, is this what you're looking for?
+ 260930 [botp@de mo t] # a = "a b c d e f"
| 260939 [fred@la av .] And, while you're at it, depending on the situation, sub! returning nil
+ 260946 [robert.dober] I was reading this whole thread and I kind of think to be dreaming, I
| 260947 [martindemell] Nope, he wants a method that only replaces the first n occurrences of
| + 260950 [robert.dober] I knew I missed something but I did not see what, sorry....
| + 260952 [shortcutter@] There is a different solution that does not need a loop (see one of my
+ 260948 [kbloom@gm il] a.sub! modifies the string in place, changing only the first occurance.

OT: help with business natural language
260899 [snacktime@gm] So today I finally had the time to sit down with racc and work on a
+ 260903 [ara.t.howard] seen this
+ 260905 [jmettraux@op] 8<
  + 260917 [snacktime@gm] Thanks guys.  I had seen runt but not the recurring library on
  + 261009 [rick.denatal] has some good stuff on doing just this.

line.split with some complicating factors...
260907 [marc.hoeppne] I've been thinking about this for a while but cant figure out an
+ 260909 [marc.hoeppne] result, not the format of the source..there it is all downcase, so no
+ 260914 [dblack@wo bl] I'm not sure if this is an exact fit but see if it helps.  This is
| 260921 [marc.hoeppne] Took me a bit, but got it working - perfect, thanks a lot!
| 261033 [renard@nc rr] an alternate way which might be clearer would
+ 261179 [wonado@do ne] I see that the problem is already solved, but in Ruby I always have the
  261230 [wonado@do ne] def put(a);a.push(a.shift)[0];end

Ruby thread-dump Gem
260910 [gfodor@gm il] So a huge feature missed from the JVM is the ability to send SIGQUIT
260926 [gfodor@gm il] We didn't fix it directly, we worked around it by timing out all
260985 [gfodor@gm il] Yup, this happens on multiple fedora core servers, and they were hung

(Alternative) Ruby Planet
260912 [george.mosch] You can see the included feeds at the bottom of the page. I would like
260943 [chrisgame@ex] ...and the RSS feed  is where?
260973 [george.mosch] ...
260974 [wikipedianki] ...

Re: How to link 2 interface
260923 [AEtzold@gm .] Dear Cool,

The average Ruby ML Contributor
260932 [robert.dober] ...
260957 [sy1234@gm il] What's that?  You're collecting all of our information?
260960 [lyle.johnson] There is an ongoing thread on the ruby-talk mailing list (subject
261050 [robert.dober] And furthermore there are no names, no addresses nothing which
261057 [promos@bu ch] You mean - no image map on a spinning globe (or in Google Earth) with
261107 [robert.dober] No :(
261128 [shortcutter@] Cheers

enumeration with symbol name information
260937 [sasa555@gm i] class MyClass
+ 260941 [logancapaldo] ...
+ 260944 [skoot@id ic ] class MyClass

block_given? problem
260945 [westlin9@gm ] I can't figure out why the do...end block isn't detected by the
+ 260951 [robert.dober] puts( TheClass.TheMethod do nil end )
| + 260954 [westlin9@gm ] Thanks
| + 261011 [rick.denatal] do..end vs {}
+ 260956 [skoot@id ic ] This is because do..end block gets attached to the 'puts' instead of

parsing iTunes Libary
260955 [cypher.dp@gm] I wanted to parse the library with REXML but the file is quite big.
+ 261043 [ryand-ruby@z] ...
| + 261049 [cypher.dp@gm] Thanks a lot Ryan !
| + 261078 [mike@ca ga .] I also recently needed to parse the AlbumData.xml.  Started into it with
+ 261110 [has.temp3@vi] Another option would be to access iTunes via its COM (Windows) or Apple
  261123 [cypher.dp@gm] Thanks a lot everybody !

MySQL & Ruby
260961 [m.tyman@in e] def dump(tableName)
261058 [promos@bu ch] Perhaps you are getting a non-zero SQLCODE (or SQLSTATE).  Have you

telnet and redirection of stream
260966 [m.tyman@in e] t.cmd('String' => "echo -e '#{buffer}' > #{data['cfgwlan']}.tmp",

Is god playing favorites? (has anyone installed it on an Ubuntu/Debian system? (was Re: [ANN] god 0.2.0 released)
260970 [rick.denatal] I've tried installing on Ubuntu Dapper with no joy.
+ 260975 [peter@se an ] One issue that Ubuntu has that some other systems might not have is that
| 260977 [rick.denatal] I've done lots of source installs on this box so the normal headers
| 260978 [djberg96@gm ] How about just downloading the source, building it manually, and see
| 260982 [rick.denatal] Gem install is already showing me what's failing, and the Makefile
+ 261003 [pubsub@ru yi] An Ubuntu user has sent in a patch that fixes the problem on Edgy. I've
  261017 [rick.denatal] Thanks, I'll watch for it.  Hopefully this will also work for Dapper.
  261021 [pubsub@ru yi] Hmm, just tried the patched install on Dapper and still no luck
  261031 [daniel@el ct] * Tom Werner shaped the electrons to say...
  261053 [pubsub@ru yi] (supposedly works on Edgy and Feisty though). I'll keeping looking into

Learning the fine points of Ruby
260991 [ari@ar br wn] Hey all,
+ 260996 [m_goldberg@a] By reading and writing lots of Ruby code.
| 261004 [mikemondrago] Read the PickAxe book, read it for 15 to 30 minutes per day.
| 261008 [lloyd@2l ve ] Excellent advice.  To that I might add "The Ruby Way" as a great source.
+ 276117 [joon.you@gm ] Ruby Way by Hal Fulton is the book you need.  I, too came from C# and

array of arrays
260993 [dbadrinath@d] i have a database with some 10 records each containing 2 columns,
260994 [dblack@wo bl] [ [1,2,3], [4,5,6], [7,8,9] ]
261038 [dbadrinath@d] Thank you.
261822 [dbadrinath@d] I didnt get it.
261829 [sdball@gm il] Try this,

Win32OLE problem
261001 [damnbigman@g] ...
261061 [promos@bu ch] If I'm reading the error correctly, "put" is not being recognized as a
261363 [damnbigman@g] ...

Ruby Chinese Community Open-Sourcing Project Management System lauched!
261005 [admin@5i et ] Very glad to announcement that Ruby Chinese Community Open-Sourcing
+ 263874 [bradphelan@x] I had a quick peek at the Redmine project management tool. It looks very
| 263885 [yudi.xue@gm ] ...
| 263929 [dreamwinterl] ...
+ 263934 [mark.gallop@] Ooo, this looks very nice. Thanks and well done!

ruby doc html server
261016 [lydianblues@] ...

File Append Problem
261020 [matthewlagac] I am reading a csv file (File1) and putting its content into a string,
261039 [skoot@id ic ] Have you debugged what is the contents of str ?
261047 [matthewlagac] Oh i see now, I have got to stop programming so structured. Thanks alot!

see raw xml in soap4r
261024 [nappin713@ya] Is there any way with soap4r to see the raw xml of the response without
261216 [nakahiro@sa ] aDriver.wiredump_dev = STDERR
261416 [nappin713@ya] Thanks for the response, is there a way to turn it on after the request?
261914 [nakahiro@sa ] No, there isn't.  If an error occurred, the response XML is a SOAPFault

[ANN] Ruby East 2007 Call For Papers
261025 [aok@ch ri ts] ...

Regexp question
261026 [bcparanj@gm ] I have a list of zip codes (3000). Is there any script that I could
261036 [bulliver@ba ] Doubtful you need a regexp. Answer depends on the format of your list. If it
261040 [bsimmers@cm ] ...

ActiveRecord & Sqlite3 & serialize & "f"
261027 [erikveen@gm ] What's wrong with the code below?
261030 [peter@pe er ] ...

Is there anything else like expect.rb/RExpect.rb ?
261034 [rubyoncrack@] You can't do conditional patterns in expect.rb and the buffer in

Ruby Editor
261056 [doug.ybarbo@] I am new to Ruby (from C++) so these are quite basic questions i'm
+ 261064 [logancapaldo] ...
| 261071 [dangerwillro] pdf ebook at the Pragmatic Programmers' site at a discount versus the
| + 261085 [znmeb@ce ma ] TextMate has a much bigger weakness ... it only runs on a Mac. :(
| | 261091 [dangerwillro] That's hardly a weakness. The developer doesn't want to be bothered
| | + 261094 [cliffrowley@] That would be E (http://www.e-texteditor.com).  I like it, personally,
| | + 261098 [perrin@ap th] It's a big enough weakness that I won't use it for that very reason.  The
| |   + 261104 [seebs@se bs ] I generally agree.  In some cases, though, I can see the reasons for making
| |   | 261172 [perrin@ap th] I can understand the developer's desire to develop for the platform he
| |   + 261140 [robert.dober] + 42! (yes ! means what you think it does ;)
| |     261157 [dangerwillro] Open source is nice sometimes, but it isn't the most important thing
| |     + 261167 [robert.dober] It is the only means to assure persistence, if X who has the copyright
| |     | 261201 [dangerwillro] Big Deal!
| |     | + 261212 [perrin@ap th] Nobody was talking about what X is or is not allowed to do -- only the
| |     | + 261231 [robert.dober] I might have expressed myself imprecisely AAMOF Chad understood
| |     + 261173 [perrin@ap th] It appeared pretty clear to me that Robert's point was that, like all
| |       + 261181 [fwmailinglis] charset="us-ascii"
| |       | 261184 [dzwell@gm il] Not quite the same. With proprietary software, there is the risk that
| |       | 261209 [perrin@ap th] . . . to say nothing of the fact that a significant investment in a piece
| |       + 261183 [znmeb@ce ma ] Well ... I'll have to go look at Robert's post, but I don't think open
| |         261211 [perrin@ap th] For the most part, whether or not *I personally* can "hack on the source"
| |         + 261220 [znmeb@ce ma ] Well ... I switched to Seamonkey. Pretty much all the Linux browsers use
| |         | + 261243 [perrin@ap th] I find the interface for Konqueror kludgey and annoying, to say nothing
| |         | | 261269 [znmeb@ce ma ] Likewise ... that's why I bought Komodo.
| |         | | 261280 [perrin@ap th] That's really my biggest problem with something like Seamonkey -- most of
| |         | + 261439 [hassan.schro] HotJava. Yeah, it was nice, but was never developed beyond support
| |         |   261440 [reid.thompso] ...
| |         + 261302 [dangerwillro] WebKit is wide open source, and it is what is used by Safari and
| |           261316 [perrin@ap th] There are other business models than the governmentally enforced
| |           + 261317 [bgulian@gm i] What would those business models be? And are they so complex that the
| |           | + 261325 [alex@bl ck e] There are quite a few different ones.  For example, free the software,
| |           | | + 261327 [mick@ho li s] I don't know about Apache, but I think you'll find that most of Mozilla's income comes from referral
| |           | | | + 261331 [alex@bl ck e] Well, there's another business model, then :-)
| |           | | | | 261339 [dangerwillro] MySQL does also sell commercial licenses required under certain
| |           | | | | + 261340 [robert.dober] Service, training, development of required features, which remain open
| |           | | | | | 261341 [robert.dober] oops too much French
| |           | | | | + 261344 [alex@bl ck e] That would be the point, yes.  Open source software that's funded and
| |           | | | |   261357 [znmeb@ce ma ] Lots of reasons ... look up "barriers to entry" in any MBA textbook.
| |           | | | |   + 261380 [alex@bl ck e] Not entirely sure I understand.  What barriers do you mean?
| |           | | | |   + 261407 [perrin@ap th] Without making a case for specific barriers to entry that apply in the
| |           | | | |     261453 [znmeb@ce ma ] Well ...
| |           | | | |     + 261460 [caduceass@gm] I'm not sure why -- maybe a change in OS philosophy on my part -- but
| |           | | | |     | + 261465 [znmeb@ce ma ] Well ... aside from the fact that they weren't hyperthreading aware,
| |           | | | |     | | + 261466 [hyunsoorama@] unsubscribe
| |           | | | |     | | | 261541 [kaldrenon@gm] I actually think of Ruby as slightly like the Magic School Bus. Maybe
| |           | | | |     | | + 261476 [perrin@ap th] . . . a Toyota Prius, except it's pretty.
| |           | | | |     | | + 261509 [caduceass@gm] That's a tough one.  Maybe a Transformer
| |           | | | |     | | | 261538 [sonoflilit@g] I don't think ruby's specialty is in it's power. I think ruby is
| |           | | | |     | | | 261583 [perrin@ap th] Out of control?  I'd choose something with better ability to keep its
| |           | | | |     | | + 261817 [sy1234@gm il] If you mean an HP 100lx, then no it won't run Ruby.  Ruby for DOS
| |           | | | |     | + 261475 [perrin@ap th] That's because it *was* the high-water mark for MS Windows servers.  Any
| |           | | | |     + 261472 [perrin@ap th] You could probably find a couple on this list, and I'm sure you'd hit
| |           | | | |       261494 [fred@la av .] Yes.
| |           | | | + 261348 [znmeb@ce ma ] OK ... where does *Google's* money come from? The searches are free, and
| |           | | |   + 261349 [fwmailinglis] charset="us-ascii"
| |           | | |   | 261352 [alex@bl ck e] I don't think they do these two, do they?
| |           | | |   | + 261409 [perrin@ap th] They have paid placement.  It's not mixed in with the normal search
| |           | | |   | + 261448 [dangerwillro] Google is not open source. The open source some software, but their
| |           | | |   |   261451 [znmeb@ce ma ] There's really nothing in their indexing/search algorithms that a bright
| |           | | |   + 261351 [sonoflilit@g] Most of google's profits are from advertising, AFAIK.
| |           | | |   + 261354 [mick@ho li s] advertising.
| |           | | |   + 261408 [perrin@ap th] Advertising revenue, I believe . . . which leads to another revenue
| |           | | |     261450 [dangerwillro] The translation of all this is "barrier to entry" = 1 man can not do
| |           | | + 261355 [bgulian@gm i] Thanks for the examples.  Could I ask some questions or comment about
| |           | |   + 261361 [alex@bl ck e] No idea about MySQL at all.
| |           | |   + 261412 [perrin@ap th] I'm not sure, and it's really not relevant to the point.  The point is
| |           | + 261369 [seebs@se bs ] Sure it is!  It's a traditional and well-understood one.
| |           + 261328 [robert.dober] This is a very important point you are making here, I feel however
| |           + 261490 [phelan@tt ec] If it's wet, drink it.
| |             261492 [perrin@ap th] I don't recall anyone saying anything of the sort.  Maybe I'm just not
| |             261495 [phelan@tt ec] 'governmentally enforced artificial scarcity model where software is
| |             + 261533 [dangerwillro] Which is exactly the kind of half logic that would debunk all
| |             | + 261537 [robert.dober] Luckily, just call me Lt. Broccoli ;)
| |             | + 261558 [alex@bl ck e] I wouldn't call it "half logic".  If you accept that value is derived
| |             | | + 261579 [dangerwillro] Uh, by your debased definition matter, like energy is neither created
| |             | | | 261602 [perrin@ap th] Actually, that's not strictly true, speaking from a semi-classical
| |             | | + 261593 [perrin@ap th] Actually . . . software has value.  Something doesn't have to have
| |             | | | + 261613 [dangerwillro] 'natural form'?
| |             | | | | 261626 [perrin@ap th] Actually, economic principles apply to "the non-human part of the world"
| |             | | | | 261631 [dangerwillro] Seriously, this should go off list or something soon. It's turned
| |             | | | | 261635 [perrin@ap th] Probably.  Of course, considering you don't seem to be arguing against
| |             | | | | 261675 [rimantas@gm ] I can use real benefits Textmate provides for me *now*, and frankly, I
| |             | | | | + 261677 [perrin@ap th] The problems of a probably reduced lifespan of closed source software
| |             | | | | + 261735 [seebs@se bs ] I would reverse those by a huge margin.  I've been using my current text editor
| |             | | | |   261745 [rimantas@gm ] It just says that you have been using your text editor for a really
| |             | | | + 261698 [alex@bl ck e] That's pretty much my thinking.
| |             | | + 261606 [bradphelan@x] The free energy movement faces the same hurdles as the free software
| |             | + 261588 [perrin@ap th] Nonsense.
| |             |   261696 [phelan@tt ec] Try posting torrents of the latest Hollywood schmalz on your server.
| |             |   261808 [perrin@ap th] Exactly my point -- your physical property rights are contradicted by
| |             |   261830 [bradphelan@x] I will agree with you with a small change.
| |             |   261837 [perrin@ap th] My take is the opposite -- that cases where law contradicts rights are
| |             |   261894 [bradphelan@x] Can you explain what you believe 'rights' are in the absence of 'law'?
| |             |   261945 [perrin@ap th] Rights are those limits on how others may interact with one, based on
| |             + 261584 [perrin@ap th] It's a statement of the economic reality of the circumstances.
| |               261617 [robert.dober] My I add a different idea?
| + 261323 [l.g.chin@gm ] Textmate actually can handle the display and input of Japanese text
+ 261083 [lists@be tr ] I suppose myself to be the most critical Vim user abroad.
  + 261105 [dzwell@gm il] I deeply respect Vim. I am convinced that there is no more elegant way
  | + 261106 [seebs@se bs ] I haven't had a problem with that.
  | + 261124 [alexandru@gl] currently there are 1947 vim plugins listed at vim.sf.net and about
  | | 261141 [znmeb@ce ma ] I must confess that
  | | 261144 [yudi.xue@gm ] ...
  | + 261176 [perrin@ap th] This cult . . . ?
  | + 261267 [alan.stebben] Apologies for continuing the "off-topic" replies to the original
  |   261281 [perrin@ap th] For such things, I tend to use other tools.  I want my text processor for
  + 261282 [perrin@ap th] SciTE is still my favorite GUI editor.  Vim is still my favorite editor,
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