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^ Segfault in JSON - windows VISTA
259137 [matthewrudyj] I've been struggling for the past few hours with a segfault coming out
259139 [matthewrudyj] I correct myself,
259145 [matthewrudyj] ok I've managed to get it to work by using the "json_pure" gem instead.

^ RadRails visual debugger
259150 [aidy.lewis g] Do I need to install any other gems to activate the RadRails visual
259154 [aidy.lewis g] On 12 Jul, 20:23, "aidy.le...@googlemail.com"
259164 [aidy.lewis g] On 12 Jul, 20:54, "aidy.le...@googlemail.com"

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^ EURUKO 2007
259163 [sigma.kappa ] there's some planning going on about the European Ruby Conference 2007,

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^ I need serious help!
259190 [wiltroutja h] Hey yall experienced coders and programmer dudes. I wanna make an MMORPG
+ 259191 [wiltroutja h] And how to make the graphics. That would be nice too.
| + 259193 [wiltroutja h] And , incase it might matter, its going to be like Arrow Keys to move,
| + 259194 [dangerwillro] That's a tall order!!
| | + 259201 [wiltroutja h] I sorta have no money to use on books and the like. I was hoping I could
| | | + 259209 [seebs seebs.] If you wanna write text adventures, my recommendation would be Inform 6.
| | | | + 259210 [scottjourand] Searching www.g2p.org Could be your best friend with ebooks and tutorials as well
| | | | | 259221 [wiltroutja h] g2p didnt help me much. I just got a bunch of gibberish for search
| | | | | 259222 [scottjourand] Its an example of how to code one, and whys guide is free, so two birds. Although i dont know if you'd want to just skip to it without reading the guide a bit first.
| | | | | 259227 [wiltroutja h] Ty. But why do you make a new topic for every post? If you can't find
| | | | | 259412 [ben bleythin] That's actually an artifact of the forum software.  You're actually
| | | | | 259467 [wiltroutja h] I don't even get how to make anything work in Ruby. It all looks lke
| | | | | + 259477 [seebs seebs.] It's not.
| | | | | + 259481 [caduceass gm] Dude, learning how to program a game -- a large one at that -- doesn't
| | | | | + 259516 [perrin apoth] That's the point.  If you don't understand how a Hello World program
| | | | | | + 259519 [cjsiam msn.c] Joe's been told to go learn---he didn't like that answer.
| | | | | | + 259750 [wiltroutja a] ok. To humor you, I'll ask about how it works. How does the stupid Hello
| | | | | |   + 259755 [wiltroutja a] But do tell me, When will people put aside their hate for people more
| | | | | |   | + 259765 [seebs seebs.] Well, the thing is, the world's full of people who THINK they're talented.
| | | | | |   | | 259776 [perrin apoth] I agree.  Unfortunately, it seems we've both somehow been tricked into
| | | | | |   | | 259829 [wiltroutja a] And bingo was his name-o. I can't say I have general talent in
| | | | | |   | | 259914 [perrin apoth] I think you've demonstrated a clear and distinct lack of talent for
| | | | | |   | + 259817 [jwkenne attg] Seek professional help.
| | | | | |   |   259833 [wiltroutja a] Professional help with this programming BS. But I really don't want to
| | | | | |   |   259836 [seebs seebs.] I assumed it was for your obvious mental health issues.
| | | | | |   |   259915 [perrin apoth] Someone in another subthread suggested he might be a sociopath.  I really
| | | | | |   |   260249 [palma unet.c] For a more detailed view of pathological narcissism and the
| | | | | |   |   + 260265 [pbooth nocoi] I'd encourage anyone who hasn't read Amy Hoy's perceptive
| | | | | |   |   | 260303 [perrin apoth] That was surprisingly on-topic.
| | | | | |   |   + 260540 [bgulian gmai] Having made the mistake of reading this whole, sad thread yesterday
| | | | | |   + 259757 [perrin apoth] At this point, I certainly don't want you to humor me.
| | | | | |   + 259762 [seebs seebs.] Let's say you were working on, say, WoW.  One of the things WoW does is
| | | | | |   + 259769 [james graypr] #!/usr/bin/env ruby -wKU
| | | | | + 269477 [spamtrap cle] If you don't understand how "Hello World" works, how will you ever learn
| | | | + 259218 [wiltroutja h] And would this 'Inform 6' be harder than Ruby? Because I don't even get
| | | | | 259228 [seebs seebs.] Maybe.
| | | | | 259231 [wiltroutja h] I hate to break it to you, but asking people is, and always will be, my
| | | | | 259236 [seebs seebs.] Eh, don't worry about that; there will come a day when you answer questions.
| | | | | 259238 [wiltroutja h] Unfortunately, it is simply easier to ask you guys while I'm already
| | | | | 259239 [seebs seebs.] And that's the thing; the best way to ask questions is to ask questions when
| | | | | 259240 [wiltroutja h] I'm just going to finish up reading Why's. I wish I had it in text
| | | | | 259241 [dangerwillro] If you want to know or try an excellent (but not easy) Text
| | | | | 259243 [wiltroutja h] I found an archive of Text Adventures on Wikipedia. Some of them look
| | | | + 259313 [james graypr] There's a text adventure framework for Python called PAWS.  It's
| | | |   259349 [wiltroutja h] Could you do me a favor and link the PAWS adventure to this thread? If I
| | | |   259353 [james graypr] We need to get you past this Google fear my friend.  Google python
| | | |   259368 [dangerwillro] Indeed, pump up your Google-fu!
| | | |   + 259381 [wiltroutja h] Okay, I found it. But guess what? It said that the new version was out,
| | | |   | 259385 [wiltroutja h] And if anyone has AIM, I could really use live help.
| | | |   + 259455 [wiltroutja h] I will use my google skills now, TO FIND BETTER HELP. All of these tips
| | | |     + 259469 [dangerwillro] Kid, you're going to have a hard time finding better help.
| | | |     + 259472 [seebs seebs.] It's a very bad analogy for the reality.  You're telling people who regularly
| | | |       260593 [hal9000 hype] And that is a good analogy. But let's all give him a break -- he's
| | | + 259295 [ari aribrown] Your in luck! The book's online!
| | + 259202 [wiltroutja h] But thanks for the suggestion. Maybe when I get some cash, I shall buy
| |   + 259204 [scottjourand] Why's guide has an example of a text based game, i don't know if that'd be any help.
| |   | 259212 [wiltroutja h] An example of  text based game? Cus I know what a text based game is,
| |   | 259220 [cdcarter gma] It has an example for how to code a text game.  Be warned though parts
| |   | 259224 [wiltroutja h] Wow... Even the front page scares me. And by comprehensive, you mean
| |   | 259225 [scottjourand] Dont try to tackle more than one at a time (my problem) thats for sure.
| |   | + 259226 [scottjourand] Hmm, i found a bunch of perl books, ruby, python etc.
| |   | | 259229 [wiltroutja h] Free and online? Cus if so, hit me with some links for the ruby one. Im
| |   | | 259230 [scottjourand] Im posting from a cellphone, sorry bout that.
| |   | | 259232 [wiltroutja h] O. Okay. No problem. I was under the impression everyone was on a comp.
| |   | + 259235 [wiltroutja h] Great idea. My first problem is I need to know if coding games is
| |   |   259252 [perrin apoth] You can create just about any piece of software you like with Ruby.  Ruby
| |   |   259384 [wiltroutja h] What do you do with Ruby? I'v heard that programming better graphic
| |   |   + 259413 [ben bleythin] If your ambition is to create a game like WoW, then you're barking up
| |   |   + 259503 [perrin apoth] Me, personally?  Glorified shell scripting, data munging, and web
| |   |   | 259504 [seebs seebs.] As an example from my own experience, I do weekly summaries of a mailing
| |   |   | 259530 [perrin apoth] Agreed, on all counts.
| |   |   | 259541 [shevegen lin] "My first problem is I need to know if coding games is possible in Ruby.
| |   |   + 259562 [stephen step] You're kidding right? WoW is written in C++ (Objective C for Mac which
| |   |     + 259567 [perrin apoth] I'm not sure what you mean by "Objective C for Mac which is C++".
| |   |     | + 259577 [stephen step] And that's what I meant. Bad placement of words on my part.
| |   |     | | 259579 [perrin apoth] Cool.  It's always nice to share blame for a misunderstanding.
| |   |     | + 259606 [dangerwillro] Objective C does have some similarity to Ruby, but that's because
| |   |     |   259614 [perrin apoth] I hadn't heard of Objective C++.  That sounds like a bad joke.
| |   |     |   + 259617 [dangerwillro] More a poorly documented and perhaps wisely neglected creature.
| |   |     |   | 259680 [perrin apoth] Device drivers written in C++ sound like a bad joke, too.  Why sacrifice
| |   |     |   + 259654 [phlipcpp yah] When you run GNU C, you can generally mix and match any keyword and
| |   |     |   + 259702 [cdcarter gma] Objective-C has an id type, which is anything, so you can do dynamic
| |   |     |     + 259708 [wiltroutja a] spawn= 2598 2413 5152 0 0 0 0 0 0 tjad game
| |   |     |     | + 259709 [wiltroutja a] Heres some more for you.
| |   |     |     | + 259712 [michael.s.kl] Guys stop feeding this f...ng troll.
| |   |     |     | | 259720 [robert.dober] Did you honestly miss the plot?
| |   |     |     | | 259722 [wiltroutja a] I'm just saying that some languages are easier for some people. And more
| |   |     |     | | 259728 [dangerwillro] That's totally understandable.
| |   |     |     | | 259733 [wiltroutja a] Yeah. Only Flash involves drawing loads of pictures. Not my kind of
| |   |     |     | + 259716 [caduceass gm] Bill Kelly, you were right.  Some people need something immediately
| |   |     |     |   259730 [perrin apoth] It's great that he finally found something that he likes.  That doesn't
| |   |     |     |   259734 [wiltroutja a] Who you calling a troll? Yall were like " Do the Hello World for the
| |   |     |     |   + 259737 [seebs seebs.] I think he was calling you a troll.
| |   |     |     |   | + 259741 [perrin apoth] More to the point, posting to a list dedicated to a specific subject
| |   |     |     |   | | + 259791 [wiltroutja a] According to your 'trolling' stuff, it is basicly flame bait. And what I
| |   |     |     |   | | + 259792 [wiltroutja a] Hate to break it to you, but that *was* exageration. Yall said varying
| |   |     |     |   | |   + 259798 [apeiros gmx.] You indeed need serious help.
| |   |     |     |   | |   | 259800 [wiltroutja a] Ahh. The sour sound of stupid people. The people who responded (with the
| |   |     |     |   | |   | + 259810 [cjsiam msn.c] Let's recap a moment :)
| |   |     |     |   | |   | | 259819 [wiltroutja a] Correct.
| |   |     |     |   | |   | | 259823 [seebs seebs.] Well, that's the thing.  You DIDN'T understand.
| |   |     |     |   | |   | | 259878 [sy1234 gmail] I prefer "Give a man a match, keep him warm for a night.  Light him on
| |   |     |     |   | |   | | 259902 [perrin apoth] That's something like a quadruple-entendre (at least) in this discussion.
| |   |     |     |   | |   | + 259812 [seebs seebs.] Well, this may seem odd to you, but if I come into a room full of programmers,
| |   |     |     |   | |   | | 259826 [wiltroutja a] Hate to break it to you, but people did tell me to write basic programs
| |   |     |     |   | |   | | + 259834 [seebs seebs.] Nope.
| |   |     |     |   | |   | | + 259842 [caduceass gm] Wow.  This is like watching a train wreck.  Or, like, a really bad
| |   |     |     |   | |   | |   + 259843 [caduceass gm] Oh, Joe, one more thing.  If you really are a linebacker, stay off the 'roids.
| |   |     |     |   | |   | |   | 259854 [wiltroutja a] Lol. Good one. Who needs em? Not when your natrually kick ass like me.
| |   |     |     |   | |   | |   | 259855 [wiltroutja a] And, since this coding stuff ain't much fun anyway (cept logo, but thats
| |   |     |     |   | |   | |   + 259847 [caduceass gm] I meant I'm not being _facetious_.  I'm definitely being sarcastic.
| |   |     |     |   | |   | |   + 259853 [wiltroutja a] Ahh. The family is proud of me. Let me run off the list again.
| |   |     |     |   | |   | |     + 259858 [seebs seebs.] I've never in my life met a "mathematician" who was as careless a thinker
| |   |     |     |   | |   | |     | 259866 [wiltroutja a] I use the term mathematician simply to say that I am good at math. Good
| |   |     |     |   | |   | |     | 259874 [seebs seebs.] I knew you were using it wrong.
| |   |     |     |   | |   | |     + 259862 [mark.gallop ] Popular AND smart. You are obviously destined for great things.
| |   |     |     |   | |   | |     | 259868 [wiltroutja a] Yes. Us crazy kids. The problem is, we really don't care about destined
| |   |     |     |   | |   | |     | + 259871 [stephen step] I thought the "dog" comment was your "last post"? Serious, why you even
| |   |     |     |   | |   | |     | + 259875 [seebs seebs.] If you get caught, potentially, quite a bit.
| |   |     |     |   | |   | |     + 259869 [warlickt ope] About your smarts -- you ought to know that, statistically, Hackers
| |   |     |     |   | |   | |     + 259923 [martindemell] In all the time I've been on comp.lang.ruby and ruby-talk, I've never
| |   |     |     |   | |   | |       259930 [sonoflilit g] Enough flaming now. Thank you very much :)
| |   |     |     |   | |   | + 259813 [apeiros gmx.] Thanks for proving my point. I understand that you're a teenager, so
| |   |     |     |   | |   | + 259828 [warlickt ope] 1) Programming a game is *not* simple, especially an MMORPG.  The key
| |   |     |     |   | |   |   + 259844 [jwkenne attg] ...version-neutral checkpointing, data compression, scalability....
| |   |     |     |   | |   |   | + 259848 [seebs seebs.] He has plenty of money, remember?
| |   |     |     |   | |   |   | | + 259852 [wiltroutja a] Who said I want to start a company? Who said I was even going to release
| |   |     |     |   | |   |   | | | + 259857 [seebs seebs.] Yup.
| |   |     |     |   | |   |   | | | + 259904 [perrin apoth] Wait . . . I thought Joe said something about "massively multiplayer".
| |   |     |     |   | |   |   | | + 259905 [perrin apoth] I have -- but that was in the Army.  Airborne infantry are not exactly
| |   |     |     |   | |   |   | + 259963 [sam powersou] That comes from the money saved by not buying books.
| |   |     |     |   | |   |   |   259965 [sonoflilit g] Enough flaming now. Thank you too :)
| |   |     |     |   | |   |   |   259973 [sam powersou] My apologies.  I feel I had been generally helpful to that point
| |   |     |     |   | |   |   + 259851 [wiltroutja a] Use the rest of the post. My question was How would I start making the
| |   |     |     |   | |   |   | 259859 [warlickt ope] No, I definitely read the whole thing.  But I think I have found our
| |   |     |     |   | |   |   | 259865 [apeiros gmx.] I wonder what ruby is in there :)
| |   |     |     |   | |   |   | + 259867 [wiltroutja a] One last post, Ruby is the dog at the foot of your bed. Doesn't do
| |   |     |     |   | |   |   | | 259873 [apeiros gmx.] There he goes again. Maybe you didn't get it from my last post, so I'm
| |   |     |     |   | |   |   | | 259876 [stephen step] But he keeps trying. Again and again. LOL
| |   |     |     |   | |   |   | + 259882 [sy1234 gmail] Ruby is like the ex you broke up with on good terms.  If you keep
| |   |     |     |   | |   |   + 259903 [perrin apoth] Most of this nonsense with Mr. Wiltrout is well outside the range of what
| |   |     |     |   | |   + 259807 [warlickt ope] One thing that is lacking here is the fact that programming/coding is
| |   |     |     |   | |     259814 [wiltroutja a] ... I have the entire game planned out. And I consider all this proper
| |   |     |     |   | |     + 259818 [seebs seebs.] You know, I used to say things like this.  When it came time to actually make
| |   |     |     |   | |     | + 259821 [wiltroutja a] Lemme clarify. I have what gamers experiance planned out. I have no game
| |   |     |     |   | |     | | + 259824 [seebs seebs.] Really?  All of it?  Seems unlikely.
| |   |     |     |   | |     | | | 259850 [wiltroutja a] *engine*. I planned on using about the same system that WoW does, only
| |   |     |     |   | |     | | | + 259856 [seebs seebs.] You know, it's funny you should say that, because when I was about your age,
| |   |     |     |   | |     | | | | 260102 [jwkenne attg] Not to mention comp.lang.ruby.
| |   |     |     |   | |     | | | | 260106 [pbooth nocoi] I'd encourage anyone who hasn't read Amy Hoy's perceptive
| |   |     |     |   | |     | | | | 260997 [rick.denatal] You know, Amy's blog has been very quite of late. I hope she didn't
| |   |     |     |   | |     | | | + 259879 [sy1234 gmail] Be careful not to be sued for copying their system.
| |   |     |     |   | |     | | | | 259881 [seebs seebs.] Blizzard's not famous for lawsuits that dumb.  Generally, copyright law has
| |   |     |     |   | |     | | | | + 259883 [ari aribrown] ... How much would that person pay?.....
| |   |     |     |   | |     | | | | | 259885 [sy1234 gmail] I've worked for and worked with crazy people.  While it's amusing and
| |   |     |     |   | |     | | | | + 259884 [sy1234 gmail] That's good to hear.  There are a lot of games out there which have
| |   |     |     |   | |     | | | + 259964 [sam powersou] How much is Gamebryo?  I'm interested in it as well.
| |   |     |     |   | |     | | |   260099 [wiltroutja a] Not sure. But it would be interesting to see a Shooter game, perhaps, in
| |   |     |     |   | |     | | |   260100 [wiltroutja a] Better yet, time for a new thread. Entitled, I Need Serious Technical
| |   |     |     |   | |     | | + 259832 [cdcarter gma] But that wasn't the planning he was referring to, he said object
| |   |     |     |   | |     | + 259846 [jwkenne attg] Michael doesn't seem to be interested in Veronica's dead body.
| |   |     |     |   | |     | | 259849 [seebs seebs.] Don't be silly.  Joe can't learn anything from text adventures!
| |   |     |     |   | |     | | 259908 [perrin apoth] Actually, that struck me as possibly being from the Leisure Suit Larry
| |   |     |     |   | |     | | 259919 [sonoflilit g] ======
| |   |     |     |   | |     | | 259983 [caduceass gm] ( A great many wise things about flaming and general courtesy ).
| |   |     |     |   | |     | | 259988 [sonoflilit g] I really want to answer you, but this is now strictly a technical thread.
| |   |     |     |   | |     | | + 259993 [ben bleythin] Saying something doesn't make it so.
| |   |     |     |   | |     | | | + 259997 [sonoflilit g] Was this off-topic post necessary?
| |   |     |     |   | |     | | | + 260609 [hal9000 hype] Yes, it does. I just said so.
| |   |     |     |   | |     | | + 259995 [cdcarter gma] Aur, I think it would be reasonable to create an OT thread about how
| |   |     |     |   | |     | | + 260178 [robert.dober] That's nice Aur, because my humble feelings are that you just should
| |   |     |     |   | |     | |   260180 [perrin apoth] As one of the people who fed the troll, I have to agree -- we were just
| |   |     |     |   | |     | + 259864 [stephen step] Yup. And usually the first sign someone has no idea what's going on. All
| |   |     |     |   | |     |   259870 [wiltroutja a] /This/ is the last post. Lol. Nobody is going to do what I want. What if
| |   |     |     |   | |     |   259880 [seebs seebs.] Not really.
| |   |     |     |   | |     |   259909 [perrin apoth] You're leaving out the part where people who have the skills to create a
| |   |     |     |   | |     + 259822 [warlickt ope] Do you know what UML is?
| |   |     |     |   | |       + 259825 [wiltroutja a] No idea. Maybe if you spelled it out I would. Im not good with geeky
| |   |     |     |   | |       | + 259831 [cjsiam msn.c] "geeky acronyms"....
| |   |     |     |   | |       | + 259837 [warlickt ope] Unified Modeling Language
| |   |     |     |   | |       + 259827 [cjsiam msn.c] I'm sorry all....I can't resist...
| |   |     |     |   | + 259742 [wiltroutja a] Ya know what? It originally was about Ruby. But then I changed my mind,
| |   |     |     |   |   + 259749 [cjsiam msn.c] And I think with this gem of wisdom and understanding
| |   |     |     |   |   + 259756 [perrin apoth] CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ]
| |   |     |     |   |   + 259758 [seebs seebs.] So maybe you should have gone to a list or forum related to these?
| |   |     |     |   |     + 259775 [wiltroutja a] Not really. People told me to run basic programs like Hello World for a
| |   |     |     |   |     | 259786 [seebs seebs.] Not "exactly the same thing over and over".  Just simple stuff, work your way
| |   |     |     |   |     | 259793 [wiltroutja a] Give me 10 examples of these 'basic programs'. Either way, people still
| |   |     |     |   |     | + 259808 [seebs seebs.] What you seem to be not understanding is that they GET MORE COMPLICATED.
| |   |     |     |   |     | + 259910 [perrin apoth] I bet you could find ten examples of simple programs, of increasing
| |   |     |     |   |     + 259970 [lloyd 2live4] 5_000.times {p "Hello, World!"}
| |   |     |     |   |     + 260062 [martindemell] "hello" and "world", albeit once each. He threw it out in a fit of
| |   |     |     |   |       260063 [sonoflilit g] MINASWAN, Martin.
| |   |     |     |   |       + 260065 [gregory.t.br] Please stop policing.  Though I agree with what you're trying to do in
| |   |     |     |   |       + 260071 [martindemell] The nice thing about threads is that they act as natural containment
| |   |     |     |   |         260076 [lionel-subsc] That, and having bayesian anti-SPAM makes it relatively easy to
| |   |     |     |   + 259751 [sy1234 gmail] There's a parallel to martial training in here somewhere..  Something
| |   |     |     |   | 259759 [wiltroutja a] Yeah, I'm gunna mess around with RPG maker for laughs. Its not the best
| |   |     |     |   | 259770 [perrin apoth] CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ]
| |   |     |     |   | 259779 [wiltroutja a] For one thing, I'm not using RPG maker 1. Im using XP. So your link is
| |   |     |     |   | 259911 [perrin apoth] That's a lower-case L, not a numeral 1.  It's a mailing list, with L for
| |   |     |     |   + 259754 [sam powersou] Joe,
| |   |     |     |   | 259767 [wiltroutja a] I'm using it to practice. Renember all those times people told me to do
| |   |     |     |   + 259773 [james graypr] Just for the sake of the archives, you can play with Logo like
| |   |     |     |     259912 [perrin apoth] Good idea.  I wonder how many people will search for something useful in
| |   |     |     + 259729 [perrin apoth] I think, then, what's wrong with that passage is the implication that
| |   |     + 259969 [lloyd 2live4] Actually, for the record, any language that is actually compiled would
| |   |       + 259971 [sonoflilit g] Some compiled languages are faster than others, depending on the
| |   |       + 260091 [perrin apoth] VB.NET compiles to something called the "Common Intermediate Language", a
| |   + 259211 [wiltroutja h] And if anyone has ever played Adventure Quest, can that kind of game be
| + 259399 [lloyd 2live4] While so many people graciously responded with helpful tips, my first
|   259403 [wiltroutja h] I figured as much. Considering C++ seems to make most of the games that
|   + 259407 [lloyd 2live4] Well, that being the case, I would like to say first off, ARRRRR!  :)
|   | 259448 [wiltroutja h] You think I haven't done most of this? I currently only have about 10
|   | + 259449 [matt.e.greer] How do you start? With this
|   | | 259452 [wiltroutja h] How the hell is Hello World going to help me make a game? For gods sake,
|   | | + 259454 [seebs seebs.] How does learning to build a simple stool help someone build a house?
|   | | + 259456 [cjsiam msn.c] You know Joe...
|   | | + 259501 [botp delmont] # http://code.google.com/p/gosu/
|   | + 259450 [seebs seebs.] To put it in perspective, I can program fluently in something like a dozen
|   | | 259453 [wiltroutja h] No. Not even by the time they were working there. Everyone of em
|   | | + 259457 [seebs seebs.] I certainly didn't.  :)
|   | | + 259458 [cjsiam msn.c] You have one other choice too Joe...
|   | | + 259459 [fwmailinglis] charset="US-ASCII"
|   | |   259466 [wiltroutja h] Your right. I don't see any good advice. Because people aren't giving me
|   | |   + 259468 [gregory.t.br] Those who expect to be "taught', in my opinion, will never learn.
|   | |   + 259473 [cjsiam msn.c] Joe, don't be impatient and ignorant--it's just annoying to read.
|   | |   | 259486 [gregory.t.br] Age doesn't mean anything, I generally dislike when people bring it up
|   | |   | 259489 [seebs seebs.] Age isn't proof of anything, but the correlation is strong enough to be
|   | |   | 259491 [gregory.t.br] Oh give me a break.  Generalizations like that are similar to the ones
|   | |   | 259493 [seebs seebs.] And if Hitler hadn't practiced gun control, there wouldn't have been so
|   | |   | 259495 [gregory.t.br] Heh. I guess that by USENET culture, we've met the limits of
|   | |   | 259497 [seebs seebs.] You can escalate much further these days; see Quirk's Exception and
|   | |   | 259499 [gregory.t.br] The question is not a matter of loss of relevance, because we lost
|   | |   | 259500 [seebs seebs.] Well, it'd help if this weren't a discussion group for the most
|   | |   + 259476 [seebs seebs.] No, they aren't.  They're telling you to start with simple stuff and
|   | |   + 259479 [mental rydia] If you can't (at least informally) prove a logical proposition, you've
|   | |   | 259484 [seebs seebs.] Strictly speaking, our ability to prove the claim that Rome wasn't built in
|   | |   | + 259512 [perrin apoth] Those assumptions are part of informally proving a logical proposition.
|   | |   | + 260594 [hal9000 hype] Thank you, Peter, on more than one level.
|   | |   + 259488 [cdcarter gma] Over these last two days, some of the best programmers I know have
|   | |   | 259494 [gregory.t.br] I'm totally out of the loop with the gaming community, but you're
|   | |   | 259496 [seebs seebs.] Baldur's Gate (I and II)
|   | |   + 259508 [trevor proto] Joe,
|   | + 259462 [mental rydia] Assuming you mean 3d graphics, that's actually about the hardest types
|   | + 259465 [james graypr] Every time you say that a smurf dies in some MUD.  :(
|   | | 259510 [m_goldberg a] Not really. At least not from my POV.
|   | + 259526 [robert.dober] I disagree: You are looking for a miracle.
|   | + 259539 [sam powersou] What type of help are you looking for?  How can we help you if you are
|   + 259408 [dangerwillro] Seriously, Joe, what you can do is plan all the features of your game
|     259451 [wiltroutja h] Obviously not. I'm the king of video games, but I don't know shit about
|     + 259514 [perrin apoth] Considering your
|     | 259748 [wiltroutja a] Hate to break it to you, but my friends are busy. BUSY ADDING STUFF TO
|     | 259753 [perrin apoth] Hate to break it to you, but *we're pretty busy too.*  Despite this, many
|     | 259764 [wiltroutja a] I only thank people when their 'advice' is helpful. If you told me to
|     | + 259772 [seebs seebs.] Except the advice wasn't useless.  Pearls before swine, maybe, but the flaw
|     | | 259781 [wiltroutja a] Not seeing your point. Your saying that the advice givers are the stupid
|     | | + 259788 [seebs seebs.] Nope.
|     | | | 259795 [wiltroutja a] Good. With their useless advice, I want them to stop spamming up my
|     | | + 259789 [matthewrudyj] Let's just relax.
|     | |   259790 [matthewrudyj] aa, ba, ca, ab, bb, cb, ac = (1..7).to_a.map{|i| Location.new}
|     | |   259794 [wiltroutja a] Ok. When you put it that way, it's much simpler. But could you rename
|     | |   259796 [matthewrudyj] yeah
|     | + 259774 [perrin apoth] The fact that you refuse to accept the notion that learning how to print
|     |   259785 [wiltroutja a] Lol. You put the comment "balls" in quotes. Which, if you sayu it out
|     |   259913 [perrin apoth] Well . . . I have some tennis balls, some ball bearings, some ball
|     + 259540 [sam powersou] Did you ask them to help you?  Pair programming with them and asking
|       259543 [matthewrudyj] This is such a big argument,
+ 259363 [ccthiel gmai] Good books, by the way. I own all of them. Cool idea making a MMORPG based
| 259369 [james graypr] cb59d2bb0a03efe6/ea70aa8e7c2f323a?
+ 259506 [phillipsds y] Joe,
| 259507 [seebs seebs.] Well, yeah.
| 259511 [phillipsds y] Yes, it works. But it's not the only way that works.
| 259513 [seebs seebs.] Yup.  I'm a "dive right in" person, myself.
+ 259921 [dan fluentra] XNA is a framework for making games for Windows and the XBox 360 using
| 259922 [sonoflilit g] Good direction, although I'd personally avoid it. In a few years' time
| 259924 [dan fluentra] What will be fun is when you can script XNA with IronRuby. That might be
| 259932 [sonoflilit g] Might be cool indeed. I'm waiting for when I'll be able to script C
+ 260036 [warrenb aqui] It looks like Joe got what he wanted...
| + 260045 [sonoflilit g] Please, no more OT in this topic. Thank you very much :)
| | 260051 [warrenb aqui] And thank you so much for being the #1 troll feeder.  I for one really
| + 260154 [wiltroutja a] Hate to break it to you, but thats not me. I do like his slogan though.
|   260284 [warrenb aqui] Why are you protesting so much?
+ 260146 [silvershockw] Well, it looks like you haven't looked at this in a while. Either way,
  260153 [wiltroutja a] Tried RPGMAKERXP. Didnt work. Said some BS like couldnt get serial
  260156 [wiltroutja a] www.howmanyofme.com
  + 260157 [wiltroutja a] 877 Wiltrouts.
  + 260159 [seebs seebs.] It's okay, you're identifiable enough.
    260161 [wiltroutja a] ? There's a 1/6 chance that it's me. Which it isn't. The odds are
    260162 [wiltroutja a] And I just renembered, screw you guys. I'm going home. IN other words, I
    + 260165 [seebs seebs.] How many of those Wiltrouts do you think habitually use "gay" as a derogatory
    + 260169 [sonoflilit g] Good bye.
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