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^ To the Editor
24960 [artem fruitn] This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

^ FXGLViewer - rotate a primitive?
24966 [phlip_cpp ya] Regarding this example code...
+ 24975 [billk cts.co] My OpenGL's going on about 3+ years rusty, but, I can imagine
| 24978 [billk cts.co] (rats, meant Ch. 3, "Viewing")
+ 24976 [chrismo home] IIRC, you have to use the matrix stack. Start, push state onto the stack, do

^ memory debugging
24972 [ps radiac.mi] Are there any good tools for debugging c library bindings for ruby? To me it
24996 [decoux moulo] dmalloc is not the right solution, if you really want to debug it like

^ Re: Linux Magazine article(thoughts on Generic Programming)
24973 [ptkwt shell1] I recently attended a talk at a local a grad school  entitled "Generic

^ without eval?
24974 [ralph.mason ] This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

^ request for public review: uri.rb
24981 [matz ruby-la] I'd like to merge Akira Yamada's uri.rb in the standard distribution.

^ Mapping sequential strings to random strings: How would you do this?
24991 [hal9000 hype] Question for you.
+ 24995 [niklasf cs.u] [Hal E. Fulton]
| 25001 [hal9000 hype] How would you do this?
| 25003 [niklasf cs.u] [Niklas Frykholm]
| + 25004 [hal9000 hype] How would you do this?
| | 25305 [raja cs.indi] Yours truly.
| + 25005 [    s xss.de] and to simplify things further, if you can use a document id, you can
+ 25000 [ralph.mason ] Could you just use MD5 on the original name to get the mangled name and then

^ changing the shell used by 'system'
24998 [vjoel PATH.B] Is it possible to determine what shell Ruby is going to use for spawned
25017 [pbrannan atd] Ruby tries to do the best it can to determine whether it is possible to do

^ attr_accessor question
25022 [mps discomsy] I was wondering if when one has defined "attr_accessor" for their
+ 25025 [rich infoeth] Do you need to know when a specific variable changes, or if an object
| + 25026 [mps discomsy] Well, in answer to your first question, I guess both would be nice.
| + 25028 [feldt ce.cha] They all call rb_attr but none of them uses the other. See object.c around
|   25031 [feldt ce.cha] I meant this as: bad design on my behalf... ;-)
+ 25234 [avi beta4.co] We really need a more generic attr framework, so that I can write something like
  25241 [mps discomsy] Avi,
  25242 [dblack candl] You need module_eval, rather than eval.  With module_eval, the string
  25245 [mps discomsy] David,

^ Set class in Ruby
25029 [YuriLeikind ] Using Ruby for various tasks at work I
25036 [jason jvoege] Paul Brannan and I are working on implementing a library of data structures
+ 25046 [feldt ce.cha] Could you be specific as to what DS and Algs you're working on. I know
| 25193 [jason jvoege] Anything we can think of :)
| 25195 [feldt ce.cha] Ok, great. My GraphR package is being merged with Horst stuff. Its
+ 25050 [YuriLeikind ] Yes, cool, this one's pretty similar to what I have.
| + 25052 [feldt ce.cha] From experience with Ruby and the community I've learned that a good
| + 25053 [YuriLeikind ] def hash
| + 25055 [hal9000 hype] Yuri,
|   25056 [pbrannan atd] Is a "bag" the same as C++'s "multiset"?
|   25057 [hal9000 hype] I don't know. Never had a use for either.
|   25089 [c.hintze gmx] C++ "multiset" is not exactly the same as Smalltalk's "Bag",
+ 25207 [rcena epcor.] While you're at it: I seem to remember that OCaml has tree as a

^ Creating simple but nice logos?
25030 [feldt ce.cha] I need a nice-looking logo for a Ruby project. Anyone know a good, free
+ 25038 [hgs dmu.ac.u] which may be of some use.
+ 25049 [Dave Pragmat] The Gimp has a set of Script-Fu extensions for logos. Just type
+ 25154 [bdelmee adva] HTH,

^ REXML behavior change RFC
25042 [ ser efn.org] This is a general request for comments to all of you who are using REXML.
+ 25064 [info mjais.d] I think this is a good idea. It looks much better und more comfortable
+ 25065 [john.carter ] In one way I like it, its slightly more orthogonal.
| + 25106 [ser germane-] Well, REXML *does* parse the entire document before giving you the first
| + 25135 [james rubyxm] In such cases, a SAX parser is a better choice; trap data as it goes by, rather than waiting until the entire document is read.
+ 25066 [sean chitten] Why not overload to_s so that it returns the first element, then
| 25107 [ser germane-] Thanks, Sean.
| 25123 [sean chitten] a.xpath("/foo/bar") ->  XPath object w/ search loaded
+ 25131 [james rubyxm] I think this is a good thing; when using XPath I've gotten accustomed to getting back a nodeList, which the code then iterates over.
| 25155 [nat.pryce b1] I have two comments.
| 25184 [ ser efn.org] This is what Element.elements.each() does now.
+ 25145 [julian-ml be] I definitely approve.

^ RE:  REXML Question (Re: XML libraries (Re:  Re: ruby and webser vices))
25045 [BSchumacher ] Alright, I started playing with REXML last night and so far it looks pretty
25061 [ser germane-] How have you seen this done in other XML toolkits?
+ 25067 [tobiasreif p] REXML is building a tree from an XML doc, then one can manipulate the
| 25086 [BSchumacher ] I'm not suggesting that you add it to REXML, as I think it doesn't really
+ 25146 [julian-ml be] Well, as you probably know I've been working off and on on a Jabber library as well.  I've had similar problems with every parser I've tried but each one just needs a workaround.  My solution has been to write an XML stream class that handles a lot of this stuff.

^ Re: Set class in Ruby (Bag in Smalltalk)
25068 [Horst.Duchen] "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@hypermetrics.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag

^ Re: Teach your kid math w/ruby (algebra package)
25069 [Horst.Duchen] Preface
25073 [phlip_cpp ya] Can I have that with a side of BLT?
25083 [duchene main] "Phlip" <phlip_cpp@yahoo.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
25152 [phlip_cpp ya] Tk comes with a narrow but polished chart display system called BLT.

^ REXML inserting an element
25072 [benoit.cerri] I looked up the doc for REXML and couldn't find how one can insert an
25119 [BSchumacher ] Benoit-
25124 [ser germane-] BTW, I've always thought the way REXML does inserts now was rather tedious.
+ 25125 [james rubyxm] Er, can we have both?
+ 25167 [tobiasreif p] perhaps
+ 25758 [benoit.cerri] Thanks for the answer,

^ What happened to getopts.rb?
25079 [DDouthitt cu] I was looking at Dave's online book - where's the description of getopts.rb?

^ exiting blox
25081 [niko.schwarz] is there a way to exit a block before time?

^ exiting blox
25082 [niko.schwarz] is there a way to exit a block before time?
+ 25085 [    s xss.de] you could try throw and catch
| 25171 [niko.schwarz] =) Thanks for the idea, but im afraid that wont do what i wont: i have now
+ 25088 [alan digikat] I'd like to know this one also.  I find that I keep trying to write
| 25093 [alwagner uar] Unless I am missing something obvious, break should work.
+ 25090 [dblack candl] Doesn't break do what you want?  Or am I confused about what
| 25092 [alan digikat] break also stops any subsequent yields to the block.  I think Niko
| + 25094 [feldt ce.cha] irb(main):003:0> [1,2,3].each {|e| e==2 ? break : p(e)}
| | + 25096 [feldt ce.cha] irb(main):008:0> [1,2,3].each {|e| next if e == 2; p(e)}
| | | 25104 [alan digikat] Thanks!
| | + 25098 [ralph.mason ] This has god me thinking about how, break, next and redo work in the scope
| + 25095 [dblack candl] [1,2,3,4].each { |e|
+ 25097 [Dave Pragmat] Doesn't 'break' work?
| 25168 [niko.schwarz] ,----[ eval.rb ]
| 25169 [decoux moulo] #divmod don't return what you think
| 25188 [niko.schwarz] erg, yea, youre right, thanks a lot =)
+ 25099 [mental rydia] As someone else already pointed out, you can use throw/catch.  I believe

^ FW:  RE:  REXML Question (Re: XML libraries (Re: Re: ruby and webser vices))
25087 [BSchumacher ] FYI- Quick follow up. NQXML allowed you to do this since elements weren't
25117 [ser germane-] Well, we may see this in REXML, if I understand what Bob is suggesting with
25134 [dblack candl] I hope that if REXML becomes widely used, you'll consider including a
25149 [ ser efn.org] Hey, I'll start adding contribs to the distribution now.  I'd be happy if
25159 [tobiasreif p] [...] I don't want the API to fluctuate wildly,

^ Any COM Package for Ruby?
25100 [rcena epcor.] Is there a COM package for Ruby? Where can I download it from?
25105 [ned bike-nom] What are you trying to do?
25206 [rcena epcor.] Client/reader, for now. Thanks for the lead.

^ ANN: REXML 1.1a3
25101 [ser germane-] While I don't want to make it a habit of announcing minor revisions, I've
25246 [maki inac.co] In XML 1.0 Rec., there are 5 predefined general entities: "&", "<", ">",
+ 25247 [james rubyxm] Worse, it's not XML.  I would vote for automatic encoding of the quote characters to help avoid this type of error.
| + 25318 [ser germane-] Ach.  I responded too quickly.  This is a bug.  It'll be fixed in the 1.1a4
| + 25320 [ser germane-] I didn't realize that " and ' were required by the XML spec to be converted
|   25319 [kentda stud.] I always thought that they only needed to be converted to entities when
|   25367 [james rubyxm] Quote characters are fine, so long as there is no ambiguity when used inside an attribute value.
|   25373 [maki inac.co] In addition, when we use them as text, it's no problem.
|   25375 [dblack candl] Is there really that much flexibility?  I'm looking at
|   + 25378 [james rubyxm] I was refering to the narrow case of what REXML should currently do with quote characters when they are contained in text destined
|   + 25457 [maki open-ne] Hmm, I've been focus on REXML API to set attribute's value
+ 25253 [tobiasreif p] write
  + 25259 [maki inac.co] uuuum...Do you really want to write Ruby scripts in such a style?
  | 25261 [tobiasreif p] OK.
  | 25322 [ser germane-] Ok, I just want to clarify this.
  + 25263 [james rubyxm] REXML does not behave like a standard XML parser.
    + 25266 [tobiasreif p] Any XML parser (and document) has to conform to the XML spec, otherwise
    + 25272 [dblack candl] That will change, hopefully.  Otherwise we've just wasted a lot of
      25275 [tobiasreif p] Hmmm... I have to go read. I thought it's OK for a parser+writer to
      25277 [dblack candl] Funny, I never received my own mail.  Anyway...
      25281 [tobiasreif p] What would be the point then? Then the output of an XML writer can't be
      25284 [dblack candl] (Do you mean entities *not* resolved?  So that &gt; in the input is
      + 25288 [BSchumacher ] Personally, I think that conversion when adding to a string would be a good
      + 25289 [tobiasreif p] No. Entities should get resolved. :)
        25291 [BSchumacher ] I would agree with this, for the 'write' output. However, I would argue that
        + 25292 [tobiasreif p] Please don't get me wrong, I don't want to stop any discussion. I just
        | 25293 [julian-ml be] It seems to me that we're getting ourselves a little confused here.
        | 25294 [tobiasreif p] sounds good.
        + 25296 [hutch xampl.] This conversation is starting to loose me.
        | 25297 [dblack candl] XML document --> XML parser
        | 25330 [tobiasreif p] You mean using the XML writer to produce '...'?
        | 25339 [dblack candl] No, I mean, for example, creating LaTeX output from XML input.
        | 25340 [tobiasreif p] Using '...'? An XML writer?
        | + 25341 [dblack candl] <chapter><title>History of AT&amp;T</title></chapter>
        | | 25345 [tobiasreif p] ... so you are using REXMLs' parser, not its' serializer/writer. I see.
        | + 25421 [hutch xampl.] XML document --> XML parser --> application --> XML writer --> XML document
        |   25423 [tobiasreif p] I even work with the concepts involved ;)
        |   25424 [dblack candl] In "The XML Companion", Neil Bradley emphasizes the distinction
        |   + 25426 [hutch xampl.] If you take a strict interpretation of 'transformation'. It is not great if
        |   + 25427 [tobiasreif p] XSLT is by far neither a general XML to XML transformation technology,
        |     25435 [volkmann2 ho] "many" is too strong. In my experience, XSLT is appropriate for most XML to
        + 25317 [ser germane-] The source document must be well formed.  If an '&', '<', or '>' are
          + 25325 [julian-ml be] Hmm... what if I want to actually include the text &#100; ? I admit it's not very common unless you are talking about XML itself... but again this requires the user to know something about the encoding, otherwise they may be surprised when that part is not encoded... I wonder if it would be better to use a different method if you want text not to be escaped?  I'm not sure myself so I'm just throwing the idea out there.
          + 25332 [tobiasreif p] which entity? do you mean the NCR?
          | 25333 [BSchumacher ] Tobi-
          + 25361 [dblack candl] Don't take all the credit :-)
            + 25376 [maki inac.co] IMHO, we need EntityReference class to hold unparsed entity
            + 25399 [tobiasreif p] As you

^ parsedate: NameError when calling sub!
25162 [anieden web.] Warning ... this might be a newbie question ...
25166 [decoux moulo] call Time#to_s
25304 [anieden web.] Thank you, Guy! The crucial part is that File::Stat#mtime returns a

^ Is there something similar to the CPAN module for Ruby?
25173 [donotspam-je] Just wondering if there's a way to easily find, download, and install
+ 25180 [Dave Pragmat] Right now, there's the Ruby Application Archive (RAA) at
| 25182 [jim freeze.o] SMOP - Simple Matter of Programming
+ 25190 [ ser efn.org] I've been thinking about writing something like this for Ruby, but I'd like

^ Parallel array iteration
25178 [jim freeze.o] I've got a block here...It seems that I have seen that
+ 25187 [pbrannan atd] One option is, of course, using an index to iterate over the array.
+ 25189 [kentda stud.] esp. "diagonal"

^ Alternate readline implementations
25199 [pbrannan atd] Since the license of GNU readline is GPL, there are a number of legal

^ Re: Ruby servlet container?
25205 [aaron.barnet] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand

^ Hash clone
25208 [niko.schwarz] maybe you can help me out: what do I do when I want a copy of a Hash, which
+ 25209 [gotoken notw] Array#dup or Hash#dup does `shallow copy'.  If you would `deep copy',
| 25212 [niko.schwarz] Right.ok, after i thought a few times about this sentence of yours, i
+ 25210 [feldt ce.cha] class Object

^ Is TCPSocket thread safe?
25211 [j.travnik sh] Does anybody know if TCPServer is thread safe?
+ 25225 [BSchumacher ] Jakub-
+ 25248 [matz ruby-la] Socket classes are Ruby-thread safe, with exception of gethostbyname()
  25274 [geniusj blue] I have a fairly large TCPServer implementation that I have created.
  25386 [matz ruby-la] Thread.do_not_reverse_lookup = true
  25388 [hal9000 hype] I guess you mean TCPSocket, not Thread.
  25389 [matz ruby-la] Oops.

^ OT: Berkeley DB on windows
25213 [alwagner uar] I have successfully installed Guy Decoux's Ruby/bdb and the
25214 [rich infoeth] they extract into /usr/...
25217 [alwagner uar] That looks good, Rich. But, but that's just ruby and the db
25219 [rich infoeth] That IS the database and the interface (all in one nice little package) ;-)
25222 [alwagner uar] Sorry. Don't mean to be contentious, but I think you must have
25223 [rich infoeth] Albert,

^ Compiling Ruby with VC++ - Makefile problems
25216 [ralph.mason ] When compiling ruby with vc++ as per the instructions I get a complaition
+ 25235 [james rubyxm] Offhand, I've seen similar errors when the make file has spaces where there should be tabs, or where there is a : where WIndows
+ 25309 [ianrae88 yah] Hmmm, I downloaded 1.6.5 yesterday and it built using VC++ 6 right out of the
  25324 [rich infoeth] I did the same last night.  The README.win32 file within the ruby/win32

^ Ruby is becoming mainstream
25220 [Dave Pragmat] In this month's IEEE Software magazine's design column, Martin Fowler
25224 [harryo zipwo] I take it you mean the Nov/Dec issue.  I just looked on their web site
25226 [Dave Pragmat] Yup - that's the one
25228 [matt youell.] Does anyone have a link? Thanks!
25229 [harryo zipwo] Unless it's available somewhere else, the only place you'll find it is at

^ ruby/Tk
25221 [Jean-Francoi] I'm trying to use ruby/tk, and my program has a socket opened r/w.
25238 [nagai ai.kyu] I'm sorry but 'fileevent' command is not implemented on Ruby/Tk.
25244 [Jean-Francoi] Thx very much I will try that
+ 25249 [kero d4050.u] Too slow? Is that because of the if-statements in the
| 25379 [nagai ai.kyu] I'm sorry, but I don't know the reason.
+ 25301 [harryo zipwo] Could you maybe set up three threads?  One to accept the file events and one to
  25380 [nagai ai.kyu] I think so too. :-)

^ An opinion please...
25237 [Dave Pragmat] Wandering through the triple-r reports last night, I noticed that
25240 [dblack candl] I'd be inclined to remove the whole run, just to keep things

^ E-Mail order processors needed now!
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^ [ANN] Ruby/DBI 0.0.11
25255 [neumann s-di] I just released Ruby/DBI 0.0.11.

^ NOEX_CFUNC: feature or bug?
25257 [riley codecl] Perhaps one of the astute readers of this list can explain the
25258 [decoux moulo] Yes, this is considered as useless. A better explanation at
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