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^ Re: Object/Relational Mapping is the Vietnam of Computer Sci
244554 [bitdoger2 ya] has anybody used CACHE with ruby... it the best of both worlds and
+ 244610 [halostatue g] Cache isn't the best both worlds; its marketing materials are completely
| + 244733 [mortonda dgr] You know, that is a profound statement.
| | 244748 [perrin apoth] It's not a new idea to me, but it's an excellent formulation of the
| | 244754 [halostatue g] As you said, the idea isn't original, but as far as I know, the
| | + 244758 [gavin refine] Given that "Data is King", I particularly like the (non-sexual) double-
| | | 244763 [ara.t.howard] one of the great things about this
| | + 244759 [perrin apoth] I'm inclined, then, to go with Ziegler's Rule of Data, or something
| + 244769 [jamesthepipe] Data is a dead fish. Applications are knowing how to fish. There are minor
| + 244770 [michael.bevi] easily available, not because they're good for the task.
| | 244783 [halostatue g] I've debunked Mr Moore's base premise in a separate post, but as far as
| + 244781 [halostatue g] Thank ghu I don't have to do business with you, because I wouldn't trust
| | + 244789 [mail2jimmy y] Yes, 100% agree with Austin..
| | | 244794 [ara.t.howard] can you give an example of some data which were not processed by at least one
| | | + 244799 [perrin apoth] Wait -- we're talking about human beings as "applications" now!?
| | | | 244813 [ara.t.howard] heh. no, not quite ;-) i'm just pointing out the various steps which take
| | | | 244815 [halostatue g] Well, it is (the ultimately starting point), although you may need a
| | | | + 244816 [ara.t.howard] yes - 'process' is a much better word. and with that i'll bow out of the this
| | | | + 244818 [paradisaeida] Cache looks to me like Pick rebirthed.
| | | | + 244863 [botp delmont] # Well, it is (the ultimately starting point), although you may need a
| | | | 244906 [perrin apoth] Of course Ruby is just data. That's true of every programming language.
| | | | 244984 [botp delmont] # > data is _just_ data until one makes *use of it. So until
| | | | 244999 [perrin apoth] Language is an abstracted, reformulated (or refactored) form of
| | | | 245048 [eleanor game] The physicist in me would tend to agree. Being and Doing are merely
| | | | 245077 [perrin apoth] Having read and enjoyed The Tao of Physics several times, I find that I
| | | | 245129 [eleanor game] Perhaps someone needs to write The Tao of Informatics ;)
| | | | + 245157 [transfire gm] On Mar 23, 10:43 pm, "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" <z...@cesmail.net>
| | | | | 245576 [ramalho gmai] Actually the I Ching is much older than Taoism. But it is certainly
| | | | | 245580 [transfire gm] Thanks Luciano. Good info.
| | | | + 245194 [mail2jimmy y] Taoism ["Way of Life"]
| | | | + 245569 [perrin apoth] I'll let you know how that goes -- if I find the time, and if someone
| | | | 245627 [eleanor game] Hmm... that's about where my brain is right now. Too much Rails
| | | + 244811 [mail2jimmy y] So now you list these broad array and include "people" in it too!!.. Now
| | | 244819 [has.sox gmai] From my perspective the 'system', or any system desing/analysis, must
| | | + 244825 [perrin apoth] I agree -- wetware (aka meatware) is part of the overall system. That
| | | + 244826 [mail2jimmy y] From my perspective the 'system', or any system desing/analysis, must
| | | | 244828 [mail2jimmy y] <html>
| | | | 244831 [has.sox gmai] Nice use of bold.... Data does not just appear... You need a system to
| | | | 244898 [mail2jimmy y] You mean "record it" ??.. Then what is "it". That is the Data. which is
| | | + 244833 [transfire gm] Ziegler's Rule of Data is just corollary to the General Law of
| | | 244872 [transfire gm] Eek! That was supposed to be My Special Law, _MY_ special law, I tell
| | + 244835 [vjoel path.b] What is Google's most valuable asset? Not data. They recreate their data
| | + 244866 [halostatue g] I would (mostly) disagree. Obviously, Google provides value to its
| | + 245601 [benjohn fysh] From what?
| | 245621 [vjoel path.b] Data. Other people's data. Other people's assets. Good business to be in.
| + 244782 [ara.t.howard] here at the national geophysical data ceter
| | + 244785 [halostatue g] I have to disagree with you, Ara. If you start with a set of data and
| | | 244787 [ara.t.howard] don't get me wrong - i understand your point. still, it's not quite so clear
| | | 244800 [perrin apoth] The software that collects the data in the first place is only
| | + 244875 [eleanor game] Having trained as a physicist before entering IT I'd say that's a
| + 244797 [perrin apoth] Except in cases of catch-and-release sport fishing, fishing is about the
| + 244836 [vjoel path.b] Data is king crab! Applications are prawns! Don't you get it???
+ 244821 [paradisaeida] Ahhhh.... the combination of multi-values & Ruby..... (aroma of caramel...).
+ 245641 [paradisaeida] the topic of using
+ 245653 [efine145-nos] Maybe so, but IMHO directness is often interpreted as abusiveness or bad
| 245706 [eleanor game] It is possible to be both polite and terse, but the effort required
| 245712 [halostatue g] As the one who has been accused of being excessively abusive in this
| + 245715 [hazjoe gmail] I don't know how I happened to recieve this email. But, if I understand the
| + 245747 [dan-ml dan42] object databases.
| 245750 [halostatue g] There's no theory behind OODBs, much less relational theory. OODBs are
| + 245753 [james graypr] OK Austin, I'll give you 100% of that statement. Let's say you are
| | 245760 [halostatue g] James, if you look over what I've said in this thread, you'll note
| | 245782 [srinivas.j s] We do such analyses (a good variety of them) in stock portfolio
| + 245756 [paradisaeida] I don't use: .NET, Major relational products (often).... many other 'things'.
| + 245757 [dan-ml dan42] I see that you barely skimmed over my post and failed to answer any of
| 245762 [halostatue g] Sorry, Daniel, but you didn't show anything. You *claimed* that
| 245766 [dan-ml dan42] It might be impudent of me but have you considered that just maybe *you*
| + 245768 [ara.t.howard] -a
| + 245770 [halostatue g] Wrong. This is completely backwards. The relational model can
| | + 245773 [no.spam plea] I'm presenting on this subject this very evening to the Melbourne
| | + 245777 [dan-ml dan42] I think *you* have it backwards. All relational models can be expressed
| | | + 245787 [alex blackke] Have you got an example?
| | | + 245794 [blackdrag un] I am really for OODBs, but I can't agree with you here. A simple class
| | | | 245806 [hanigk in.tu] The inheritance relation of an ER model can be represented in the
| | | | 245825 [blackdrag un] combining it with a view is surely a good idea. It makes the queries
| | | | + 245833 [halostatue g] No, they're not (more complex). The *only* thing about objects that
| | | | | + 245868 [blackdrag un] of course there is none as you define it. Who said I am using the same
| | | | | | 245879 [halostatue g] Like I said, "model" is a vague word. When you say "relational model",
| | | | | | 245889 [blackdrag un] but the relational algebra is about queries not data in the first place.
| | | | | | 245908 [halostatue g] The Relational Model of Data is about how to organise the data in such a
| | | | | | + 245944 [blackdrag un] very right, it is not only the data, it is its organization and the
| | | | | | + 246028 [chneukirchen] Interestingly, it can be shown that the Relational Model still is
| | | | | | 246116 [no spam.plea] Yes. You just allow relation-valued attributes, and un/nest operators,
| | | | | | + 246129 [chneukirchen] I was more thinking along the lines of Datalog.
| | | | | | + 246168 [rick.denatal] And there's a fundamental tension between the driving ideas of a
| | | | | | 246187 [halostatue g] I don't think that there's a fundamental tension, but that's just me.
| | | | | | + 246202 [blackdrag un] say, is there a better way to make queries? I mean one that is in actual
| | | | | | | 246297 [vjoel path.b] Nansen said: `Yes, there is.'
| | | | | | | 246361 [blackdrag un] hehe, ok.
| | | | | | + 246231 [no.spam plea] Yes, thanks for re-iterating that... full support from me.
| | | | | | | 246243 [rdm cfcl.com] I've Googled around for this list and came up dry. Help?
| | | | | | | 246244 [no.spam plea] I guess Google doesn't want folk to join Yahoo groups :-)
| | | | | | + 246742 [rick.denatal] I think you misinterpret my point.
| | | | | + 245869 [halostatue g] Fair enough.
| | | | | + 245881 [ mfp acm.org] Are you referring to Abadi and Cardelli's object calculi? They don't seem any
| | | | + 245968 [hanigk in.tu] The point is not that a view simplifies a query over a given inheritance
| | | | 245989 [blackdrag un] ER modeling is good when you want to store your objects in a database in
| | | + 245802 [halostatue g] Um, no. All object graphs can be modelled in a relational schema (that
| | + 245783 [benjohn fysh] I for one would very much appreciate that .
| | + 245815 [perrin apoth] That might just be an excellent idea for how to put together the
| | | 245857 [perrin apoth] I do that as well, and rather enjoy it -- though it's a skill in itself,
| | + 246113 [eeklund gmai] They exists, though they have a different title: Librarians.
| | 246135 [halostatue g] And, like other knowledge workers, there are good ones and bad ones.
| + 245789 [eleanor game] No, this demonstrates that an OODB can be implemented in terms of an
+ 245711 [halostatue g] This is complete and utter nonsense. "Post-relational" is a completely
^ [ANN] main-0.0.1 - command line apps for the truly lazy
244556 [ara.t.howard] NAME
244568 [jgbailey gma] Excellent looking library. I have some fascination with writing CLI apps,
244575 [ara.t.howard] require 'rubygems'
244741 [jameskilton ] Could you make the main gem dependent on other gems? I had to manually
244747 [ara.t.howard] will do. it was an oversight. i'm making a few mods today and should release
^ Passing data to rant/rake for a customized build?
244559 [gavin refine] varying commands based on data that I want to pass to it?
+ 244560 [ara.t.howard] why not via the environment? you may also be able to pass stdin
+ 244562 [gavin refine] I left off one other option I had thought of: setting one or more
244637 [vjoel path.b] rake e1=v1 e2=v2 ... task ...
^ Defining my own class of unique objects
244563 [jason.may gm] I'm trying to define a class with semantics similar to Fixnum, where
+ 244572 [ara.t.howard] you can do this using
| 244593 [jason.may gm] Multiton is exactly what I want. Thanks Ara!
+ 244573 [gavin refine] Smells like you want the (name under some discussion) Multiton
^ STARTTLS in Net::SMTP: news on the patch?
244566 [greg.hurrell] Searching back through the archives I found this message from 2004 by
246107 [aamine lover] SMTPS/STARTTLS patch was included in trunk but not in 1.8
^ Pledgie drive for Rubinius
244574 [ssmoot gmail] It's a great cause. The ten-second pitch is that it's a next-
^ Mechanize SelectList Issue
244578 [jwcooper gma] I have been pretty successful in using Mechanize for submitting forms
244710 [jwcooper gma] I am still a bit out of luck on this one. Anyone have any ideas?
^ Ruby/Tk and OS X--deployment question
244586 [kw codebykev] I'm learning GUI programming with Ruby/Tk on Mac OS X (10.4.9). How does
+ 244588 [ara.t.howard] google rubyscript2exe.
| 244631 [m_goldberg a] Although the RubyScript2Exe website mentions OS X support, it seems
+ 244659 [dave.baldwin] Dave.
^ Ruby client for a Java webservice
244587 [srikanthrmai] I am accessing a webservice ( written in Java ) .
^ ActiveRecord, Oracle oci8 and LEFT OUTER JOIN
244589 [B.Candler po] This is an ActiveRecord question / issue. I hope it's OK to raise it here(*)
244590 [B.Candler po] Doh! Running the query under yasql shows the error to be at
^ Re: fastthread 1.0
244594 [renard nc.rr] Do you have or will have a version for mswin32?
244604 [mental rydia] One should eventually be available. Unfortunately I do not have the
^ Issue with Getopt-declare incorrect parameter specification
244595 [frederic.del] require 'rubygems'
244654 [GGarramuno a] It seems to work for me with latest 1.22, albeit you should use
244669 [frederic.del] Thanks for the issue on the variable scope, but the error message
244719 [GGarramuno a] Oh, yes. This is a bug I recently stumbled upon and has been fixed.
244757 [frederic.del] OK.
^ Showcasing dynamic soap proxy with wsdlDriver
244598 [mpruden gmai] I'm attempting to convince some naysayers on the values of dynamic
^ What's the difference here? (class extension on run-time)
244599 [forum josh.c] I'm not very experienced with Ruby yet. I have the following code (from
^ Please ignore
244603 [khan.mohamma] Please ignore this posting
^ open-uri behind authenticated firewall
244606 [behrangsa gm] I am behind an authenticated firewall. I have been able to make gem go
244613 [khan.mohamma] [beeplove@vpn ruby-agi-1.1.1]$ irb
244621 [transfire gm] require 'xml/libxml' <-- loads the lib
244623 [khan.mohamma] [beeplove@vpn ~]$ irb
244629 [transfire gm] Check your installation of libxml. Look in the gems installation dir
244683 [khan.mohamma] I need, require 'xml/libxml_so' or 'libxml_so' after '"gem 'libxml-ruby'
244685 [transfire gm] autorequire has been deprecated. So it's doing the right thing there.
^ Re: does Ruby not support multiple "initialize" methods for
244616 [rubynando ya] different way of doing things. It's a trade-off between the flexibility
+ 244618 [djberg96 gma] I think you mean "ruby-ish". :)
+ 244738 [perrin apoth] Trust me -- I have no interest in shoehorning anything into a Java or
^ traverse windows registry
244619 [shea08 eastl] Is there an example of traversing the window registry? I can't seem to
244724 [shea08 eastl] I have traversal code working. Just simple recursion. But I am having
244788 [jwells serva] From looking at the source the read bit should already be in a
244817 [shea08 eastl] Yeah,
^ Northern VA Ruby User's Group
244628 [tom infoethe] If you're in the northern Virginia area, drop by the NovaRUG meeting on
^ Real Beginner Question - (NameError)
244633 [chschwar uos] I'm going my way through a Ruby online tutorial right now and i have
+ 244634 [hhausman gma] I searched the archives for "Heat-Assisted Living" and came up with
+ 244635 [rubytraining] When you require (or load) a file, the local variables are not brought
^ Re: More Summer of Code goodness (please forward)
244636 [eweaver.spam] Is there any way to formally suggest an idea for students to pursue,
244664 [sylvain.abel] I'm really sorry but I typed a really long message about GSoC, my
244726 [sylvain.abel] OK, so I have free time on my hands and posting it again ;)
^ E-mail library for Ruby?
244638 [i_hate_spam ] Okay, I'll detail my problem and, hopefully, people can suggest a
+ 244652 [d_rems yahoo] If You have imap access you can do this. This is excerpt from my program
| 244653 [d_rems yahoo] I forgot. You must also add
+ 244673 [richard.conr] On 3/21/07, Just Another Victim of the Ambient Morality
+ 244698 [ara.t.howard] you are looking for tmail. let me warn you, however, that it's __very__ easy
+ 244767 [aledonne.lis] On 3/21/07, Just Another Victim of the Ambient Morality
| 244802 [i_hate_spam ] This looks very promising, thank you.
+ 244905 [aglarond gma] On 3/21/07, Just Another Victim of the Ambient Morality
244639 [tanushree.bh] Thanks & Regards
^ eRuby questions
244640 [azifali gmai] I have been trying to find alternatives and faster way of serving
+ 244641 [dangerwillro] Erubis claims to be fastest eRuby implementation. Never seen any
+ 244644 [B.Candler po] Do you mean Apache with mod_ruby, or some other way?
244841 [azifali gmai] Here's the apache error log..
+ 244876 [rick.denatal] Is your eRuby emitting the HTTP response headers or just the body text?
+ 244895 [threeeyedfis] require 'cgi'
^ Not able to start webrick server
244650 [technicalt g] I'm not able to start webrick server on my system. Here I'm giving that
244651 [technicalt g] Hey I got the solution.
244655 [dshivhare ap] Cograts!! Mayank. If you face any problem regarding WEBrick Server.
^ Ruby Weekly News 12th - 18th March 2007
244657 [timsuth ihug] Links are at http://www.rubyweeklynews.org/20070318.html
245391 [james graypr] I love this typo. He's not really our pet though, we are his pets. ;)
^ Win32Ole, ExternalInterface (Flex), return objects
244662 [pmotz5 hotma] I am not sure if it is possible.
244663 [sushil.kumar] unsubscribe
244678 [mlnkrish86 g] how does one unsubscribe from this group
244689 [michael.bevi] The almighty Google says...
^ how to implement SMTP's "RCPT To" func in ruby
244665 [huangliang22] I want do a email reality validation, it need use a smtp's command
244670 [cmdjackryan ] First, the method you want to use is impractical at best, as a
^ Cygwin + TempFile + Dir.chdir = failure
244671 [ntvuok luukk] I'm running ruby 1.8.5-3 for Cygwin under Win XP Pro SP 2. Here's some
244684 [shortcutter ] If you do this it will be removed (regardless whether you use chdir or
+ 244709 [djberg96 gma] Looks like a bug to me. Please file it on the RubyForge tracker (and
+ 244727 [ntvuok luukk] Point is that I encountered this while using RubyZip. If I'm trying to
^ How to handle "System Exceptions" vs "Application Errors" vs "Audit Events" in a Rails App???
244676 [greg.hauptma] Just trying to cement by understanding of how to handle system
245406 [james graypr] I'll add my personal opinions.
^ nil? with block
244682 [merloen gmai] If you have a long chain of method calls, but want to check some
+ 244686 [dblack wobbl] No, I don't like it. It's unidiomatic for a ?-method to take a block,
| 244703 [gwtmp01 mac.] No opinion on nil? but there are a couple examples of ?-methods
| 244707 [louis.j.scor] Agreed. However, the methods you mention use the block in order
+ 244687 [shortcutter ] Actually I am not sure about readability. Lines tend to grow pretty
| 244691 [sylvain.abel] I also doubt this would ever be useful. I like 'long lines' and hate
+ 244695 [dan fluentra] Why not use Object#tap?
+ 244712 [avdi avdi.or] Instead of interrupting the main flow of code with error handling, how about
+ 244764 [B.Candler po] If your result set doesn't include 'false', then you can use 'or'. Mind you,