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^ rcov & Ruby 1.8.5
211925 [john.carter ] Is it my fevered imagination, or has Ruby-1.8.5 clobbered rcov-0.7.0,
+ 212150 [smartgpx gma] I may not have exercised everything it can do, but for a contrary
+ 212589 [ mfp acm.org] AFAIK it works with ruby 1.8.5 (I just ran it on Pimki's tests to make sure) [1].
  212682 [john.carter ] Yip. That fixed it!
  212793 [ mfp acm.org] That's good news but I'd have liked to understand why :)
  213056 [john.carter ] If you can think of some good way to instrument things to find out, I'll

^ [ANN] AP4R, Asynchronous Processing for Ruby, initial release
211937 [shinohara.sh] We are pleased to announce the FIRST release of AP4R.
+ 211976 [hutch recurs] On Sep 1, 2006, at 2:21 AM, <shinohara.shunichi@future.co.jp>
| 212007 [garbagecat10] It's built on top of reliable-msg.
| 212491 [shinohara.sh] Yes, it's completely owe message persistence to reliable-msg.
+ 212027 [james.britt ] Neat. Are there any online docs?

^ Can I see method source code?
211941 [femtowin gma] like in javascript, when you generate a function,
+ 211943 [jtregunna bl] No, there are only a few languages I can think of (okay, 2) that
| + 211947 [shortcutter ] Just out of curiosity: what about Lisp?
| | 211956 [jtregunna bl] I don't know of a single lisp implementation that lets you do this,
| | 211985 [shortcutter ] <disclaimer>No LISP guru here</disclaimer>
| | 212373 [rick.denatal] I think that it just looks like the source here.  The print-name of a
| | + 212379 [logancapaldo] Note that this is the same reason Ruby2Ruby doesn't give you the
| | + 212380 [jcarbaut lap] And what about Forth ? ;-) At least the HP48 version can show
| + 212211 [drbrain segm] Lies (provided the method is written in Ruby).
+ 211945 [ilmari.heikk] may be of some use
| 211984 [twifkak comc] Only works for methods defined normally, in actual files. Not
+ 212076 [gene.tani gm] you can search c.l.ruby for all the SCRIPT_LINES__ tricks that people

^ Building Ruby by newbi on Win32
211942 [abilyk ea.co] My first post here:) I am trying something I have been doing with Lua
+ 211951 [david vallne] config.h is, confusingly enough, a header file with configuration.
| 211957 [abilyk ea.co] Sorry, saw your note too late - not vary familiar with Google groups
| 212042 [david vallne] Compiling in support for extra features or creating unoptimized code by
+ 211952 [abilyk ea.co] Never mind, folks,

^ [Q] How can I ask to which module a method belongs to?
211944 [gaelli emerg] more questions from a Ruby-Newbie...
212152 [rick.denatal] First note, that a method can be defined in a module or a class, and

^ Re: Dr. Dobb's dumps on RedCloth [HoffTopic]
211949 [david vallne] Argue? Heavens forbid. We just remove all objects sharper than a wooden

^ Legal syntax, bug or what?
211955 [nochoice xs4] I'm still working on Ripper and during my explorations I came across a
211963 [dblack wobbl] Nested #{} are allowed, so this is some kind of irb parsing glitch.

^ Re: Rubyists of Second Life Meeting | 08/31/2006 and 09/07/2
211958 [drnicwilliam] Or for those of us in Amsterdam who have small babies that wake up at
211969 [drnicwilliam] How did the meeting go? Is SL a good medium for holding a conference?
211974 [r.vernagus g] The presentation itself was extremely informative. The REST concept was new
211975 [drnicwilliam] Were slides presented on an in-game video wall? Was the presentation
+ 211978 [wccrawford g] There a huge object named 'whiteboard' that was actually a slideshow
+ 211980 [wccrawford g] Forgot to answer that, got excited about next week and got off track.
+ 211995 [james.britt ] The talk (and assorted audience chatter) was given via IM.
  212003 [aglarond gma] And I was wondering if the presenters wouldn't mind posting the slides
  212018 [wccrawford g] Oh yeah!  He did post them :)  He told us the address would exist soon,
  212029 [aglarond gma] Wonderful!  Thank you!
  212073 [drnicwilliam] The http://ruby.sl examples are amusing :)

^ getnameinfo: ai_family not supported (SocketError)
211961 [asbradbury t] When trying to run gem_server on either of my gentoo systems, I get the
212206 [drbrain segm] Guessing from the last time I was playing around in create_listeners,
212314 [asbradbury t] They do not, emergeing ruby with the ipv6 USE flag prevents this error, though
212492 [drbrain segm] I don't know.
213113 [asbradbury t] from (irb):4:in `getaddrinfo'
213422 [drbrain segm] I suspect it is an issue on the gentoo side, as far as I can tell,

^ Re: mem_inspect and png
211962 [wccrawford g] Is there a website for it?  Maybe an rDoc page?  I'd like to know some
+ 212207 [drbrain segm] $ sudo gem install png
+ 212255 [mr.cruft gma] I think that drawing over the edge would be simplest -- you can set
  212288 [wccrawford g] Thanks, I figured out I could tell it to draw over the edge and it'd

^ Convert String to date
211964 [aidy.rutter ] I have a string object
211967 [pbattley gma] require 'date'
211992 [aidy.rutter ] Thanks for getting back.
211999 [pbattley gma] require 'date'
212043 [aidy.rutter ] If I write this
212071 [pbattley gma] end_day.strftime('%d/%m/%y')

^ YAJB and JDBC?
211970 [jared.r.rich] I'm tinkering with Yet Another Java Bridge
+ 211998 [jared.r.rich] I'm getting there... here's a working example.
+ 212046 [adam thereal] Did you try rjb at all?  I'd be interested to know how they compare.

^ Joel Spolsky on languages for web programming
211971 [dido.sevilla] Actually, despite the fact that I love Ruby a lot, I'm inclined to
+ 211986 [matz ruby-la] I am very proud he mentioned Ruby in one of his essays.  Actually, I
| + 211996 [dez dsl.pipe] In the context of the enterprise, I agree too. But only in the sense
| | 212005 [rimantas gma] Regards,
| + 212088 [znmeb cesmai] Allow me to rant on what we performance engineers do for a living ... :)
| | 212143 [khaines enig] It is very easy, though, for even simple queries on a simple, optimized
| + 212285 [vidar edgeio] Agreed. I manage engineering at Edgeio (http://www.edgeio.com/). We
+ 211991 [richard.conr] He is a good writer, and I really like how he cuts through the
+ 212008 [rsanheim gma] I find it amusing that he says Rails is too risky and new, yadda
| + 212009 [james graypr] I too found that beyond ironic.
| | + 212012 [matz ruby-la] That indicates that he trusts himself, and not me (Ruby).  And I think
| | | 212020 [james graypr] Really?  I trust you a lot more than me, at least as far as designing
| | | 212032 [matz ruby-la] To rephrase, he has right to trust himself than me.  I think I am a
| | | 212474 [jlhurtado gm] Although I respect Joel very much, I believe he makes a fundamental
| | | + 212481 [phlipcpp yah] Joel is such a good writer that sometimes his jaw-drooping errors are
| | | | 213598 [jlhurtado gm] Phlip,
| | | | + 213610 [phlipcpp yah] Well, he had an edge over me. He probably actually read Joel's article.
| | | | + 213612 [phlipcpp yah] Last time I checked, 5 new boxes were cheaper than 5 new programmers...
| | | |   + 213613 [znmeb cesmai] That isn't the point.
| | | |   | 213616 [phlipcpp yah] "Premature Optimization is the root of all evil".
| | | |   | 213638 [znmeb cesmai] 1. I don't consider a 4X speed improvement on a matrix multiply and
| | | |   | + 213652 [phlipcpp yah] Nobody has stated Ruby is fast. Your argument, however, is: "my algorithm is
| | | |   | + 213922 [halostatue g] It's an Opinion. A potentially valid one, but just an Opinion.
| | | |   |   213996 [rsanheim gma] Could you elaborate on this?  I'm curious as to what you mean by
| | | |   |   214040 [halostatue g] That's one. An aversion to foreign keys (which, contrary to DHH's
| | | |   |   214096 [kmgaughan ei] That's with respect to table names rather than column names, and really only
| | | |   |   214098 [halostatue g] IME, it is something with MyISAM (which is still the most common
| | | |   |   + 214103 [rdm cfcl.com] No, really, tell us how you REALLY feel about it. (:-).
| | | |   |   | 214104 [Mail Jonas-H] cant u run RoR with postgre sql adapter already? thought you could...
| | | |   |   | + 214125 [halostatue g] Sure you can. You can even run it with an Oracle adapter. But there
| | | |   |   | | 214133 [wgrosso wgro] I think we're running into a terminology issue here. If we think
| | | |   |   | | 214138 [halostatue g] You mean "applications where the integrity of the data is completely
| | | |   |   | | 214188 [wgrosso wgro] No, I meant exactly what I said.
| | | |   |   | | 214193 [halostatue g] MySQL is optimized for one thing: applications that don't give a damn
| | | |   |   | | 214258 [rimantas gma] Ok, it is obvious that you don't like MySQL that much, but I am really
| | | |   |   | | 214280 [ruby philip.] And to be fair...
| | | |   |   | + 214174 [david vallne] And this holiday season, the Grammar Nazi association gives you a
| | | |   |   + 214131 [tbray textua] Well, it's good enough to run major pieces of big public-facing web
| | | |   |   | 214137 [perrin apoth] Also including the full lineup of Wikimedia websites (Wikipedia,
| | | |   |   + 214132 [kmgaughan ei] Yup, that's what I said. I can't say I've had the same experience as you
| | | |   + 213624 [phlipcpp yah] I can't believe I missed another rebuttal here.
| | | |   | 213625 [perrin apoth] I'm also amused that Joel didn't realize MySpace got where it did by
| | | |   | 213628 [jtregunna bl] Perhaps it's just me who sees this, but to me Joel seems like a troll
| | | |   | 213701 [phlipcpp yah] The word you reach for is probably "successful blogger" there.
| | | |   + 213647 [khaines enig] Slow and fast are notoriously difficult to pin down, especially when
| | | |   + 213728 [reply_in_gro] If you become the next MySpace, that "5 times as many boxes" would not
| | | |     213743 [perrin apoth] . . . and how many hours' worth of developer work per week?
| | | + 212520 [vidar edgeio] No. They rely on sound risk management principles.
| | | | + 212522 [wgrosso wgro] This leads to an interesting question: how many ruby programmers are
| | | | | + 212523 [wgrosso wgro] Minor correct: I ran across that, and then read the following in Mark
| | | | | + 212536 [james.britt ] At least a dozen, maybe more.
| | | | |   212539 [twifkak comc] +1 (in both senses)
| | | | + 212556 [perrin apoth] One might say that's just euphemistic phrasing.  I'm not prepared to
| | | | + 212598 [jlhurtado gm] Vidar,
| | | |   + 212624 [vidar edgeio] This we agree on.
| | | |   + 212626 [richard.conr] I would have thought that eliminating risk would be a job well done
| | | |     + 212629 [perrin apoth] If you eliminate risk entirely, you end up guaranteeing failure -- for
| | | |     | 212736 [richard.conr] Well thats pedantic, you will notice that I said nothing about eliminating
| | | |     | 212762 [twifkak comc] I beg to differ, but the burden of proof is on people who give a shit
| | | |     | 212769 [twifkak comc] I beg to differ, but the burden of "proof" is on people who give a shit
| | | |     + 212830 [perrin apoth] . . . once.
| | | |     | + 212839 [pbooth marke] I think he makes an important point that choice of technology is rarely  a
| | | |     | | 212848 [perrin apoth] If he makes that point, he does so by accident.  His main point is that
| | | |     | + 212985 [richard.conr] Time saved is not the only thing that libraries provide. For instance, you
| | | |     |   213008 [perrin apoth] Mostly, they require higher quality APIs.  Everything else can be
| | | |     + 212887 [twifkak comc] Long post! Ack!
| | | |     | 213027 [richard.conr] Yeah, research and reqs gathering has pimped out my typing
| | | |     + 213593 [jlhurtado gm] Folks,
| | | |       213617 [perrin apoth] The (unspoken, but somewhat obvious) implication that Java is the "new"
| | | + 212634 [halostatue g] So ...
| | |   213583 [jlhurtado gm] Austin,
| | + 212019 [wgrosso wgro] Well, to be fair, it's not quite that.
| | + 212022 [rsanheim gma] On second though, maybe Joel was just trolling a bit here?  Maybe just
| | + 212025 [mberrow1 pac] It seems to me that Joel has accused us of having too much *fun* with
| | + 212177 [squeamz hotm] Do you know what ironic means?
| | | + 212180 [james graypr] ironic |rnik| |arnk| |rnk|
| | | + 212182 [vjoel path.b] 3 a  (1) : incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events
| | |   + 212192 [Bil.Kleb NAS] Attempting remote installation of 'MerriamWebster'
| | |   | + 212239 [james graypr] This is going to sound funny, but try it again.  A couple of times if
| | |   | | 212258 [headius head] For what it's worth we occasionally see this under JRuby too, so it's either
| | |   | + 212437 [chneukirchen] Sounds like the OS X symbol table overflow bug.  Update your Ruby.
| | |   |   212879 [Bil.Kleb NAS] Bingo.
| | |   + 212197 [perrin apoth] [ Considering the responses by both you and James, I guess the real
| | |     212201 [eero.saynatk] Someone needs more George Carlin. In any case, I
| | |     212204 [perrin apoth] Joel was not being ironic -- rather, the circumstance of Joel's
| | + 212381 [gautam.dey77] I didn't. Depending on what the language needs to do it, would be easy to
| |   212447 [david vallne] And another point is that quite a few Ruby frameworks do come to
| |   + 212462 [alex blackke] That's not quite the same - those DSL's build upon a known and well
| |   | + 212465 [james.britt ] James Britt
| |   | | 212521 [james graypr] This was interesting reading.
| |   | + 212503 [znmeb cesmai] To use Martin Fowler's terminology, there are external DSLs -- a
| |   |   212551 [perrin apoth] I'm having a hard time imagining it being internal, conidering the way
| |   + 212497 [perrin apoth] There's a distinct difference between a subset of an already extant
| + 212024 [james.britt ] Where would be but for Not Invented Here?
| | 212065 [snail objmed] <james.britt@gmail.com> writes
| | 212077 [rogojin gmai] I suspect the 'fun' thing is a bit of a stab at the frequency of the
| | 212094 [znmeb cesmai] Yes ... I do what I do for a living (mostly in Perl and R, not yet Ruby
| + 212049 [richard.conr] The unicode issue is scary to an enterprise mindset, where having
+ 212015 [khaines enig] An interesting performance test is to take some task and implement it in
+ 212303 [alder.green ] If anything, your hitherto positive expeirence should cast an
+ 212377 [alvin321 tel] Interesting post Dido ;-)
  + 212391 [perrin apoth] Sure it is.  You'll (almost) never have to fear for your job based on a
  | 212399 [wgrosso wgro] At the risk of talking to a wall ... give me a break.
  | 212400 [perrin apoth] Who said otherwise?  And why are you top-posting?
  | 212450 [david vallne] To be fair, it's not just corporate politics. Statistically, it's more
  | 212499 [perrin apoth] Choosing a language despite the resources at your disposal, rather than
  + 212455 [david vallne] Utter pants. I mean, you used the word "bloat", which should make people
    + 212468 [alex blackke] That's the wrong argument to pick.  Try calculating the full dynamics of
    | 212498 [perrin apoth] . . . and in any case, I don't think anyone was saying Ruby was any kind
    | 212530 [znmeb cesmai] In the "good old days", an assembly language programmer could turn out
    | 212552 [perrin apoth] This brings me to a thought I've been having a lot, lately: that the
    | 212608 [znmeb cesmai] Perhaps you're thinking along the lines of Lisp or Forth, where an
    | 212611 [perrin apoth] No . . . that's not quite it.  Maybe a really bad diagram will help.
    | 212621 [znmeb cesmai] You can usually do something like this in Forth. As you're developing,
    | 212625 [perrin apoth] [ snip a bunch of bad diagramming ]
    + 212488 [znmeb cesmai] But everybody *should* have a *certified* Cisco engineer if they use
    | 212504 [perrin apoth] Frankly, iptables is easier to learn effectively than most proprietary
    | 212527 [znmeb cesmai] When there are certified iptables engineers, I'll trust my business to
    | 212553 [perrin apoth] As someone with a combination of college, trade school, on-the-job, and
    | 212605 [znmeb cesmai] They also prove that you can learn and carry out a learning task to
    | 212609 [perrin apoth] I don't think I can really put much value in that "carry out a learning
    + 212496 [twifkak comc] *Everyone* cares about pretty. http://www.paulgraham.com/taste.html
    | + 212549 [vidar edgeio] You're absolutely right.
    | + 212559 [snail objmed] <twifkak@comcast.net> writes
    |   212601 [znmeb cesmai] I've never written a line of APL code, but that hasn't ever stopped me
    + 212528 [alvin321 tel] I don't like bloated software, it is unnecessary.
    | + 212531 [znmeb cesmai] *He* may not be saying all languages yield the same level of
    | + 212557 [perrin apoth] Based on what I've heard/seen/experienced, Ruby is generally somewhat
    |   212603 [znmeb cesmai] Would you be interested in the correct definition of average in
    + 212558 [snail objmed] <david@vallner.net> writes

^ [ANN] sapwas - Web Services integration for SAP (+Rails)
211977 [piers ompka.] I am proud to announce my latest project - [1] sapwas - Web Services

^ [QUIZ] Happy Numbers (#93)
211987 [james graypr] 1.  Please do not post any solutions or spoiler discussion for this quiz until
+ 212054 [matthew.moss] (10 ** N) where N is anything. You name N, I'll say N+1.
+ 212055 [m_goldberg a] Clearly, there is no largest happy number. Any number of the form
+ 212068 [m_goldberg a] Clearly, there is no largest happy number. Any number of the form
+ 212873 [showaltb gma] I'm just posting my happy? method since it's a little different from
+ 213064 [matthew.moss] My bit o' solution... only had a few minutes to do a few lines, it's
  213071 [matthew.moss] return false if self == 4
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