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[ANN] open4-0.6.0
211784 [ara.t.howard] URIS
211788 [Daniel.Berge] I tried to download the .tgz file from the RubyForge page, but I get a
211798 [ara.t.howard] hmm.  the same script uploaded the gem, which is fine, as the tgz so i'm not
211818 [Daniel.Berge] alib
211821 [ara.t.howard] ah. didn't know you could do that!  in any case i've been doing for a looong
211827 [Daniel.Berge] Yes, when you put out a release (using the web form) you'll see an

Spawning daemon processes
211786 [thiago.arrai] I am trying to start and stop a daemon process from inside my Ruby
+ 211793 [khaines@en g] You need win32-process (which needs windows-pr) out of there, and then you
| 212130 [thiago.arrai] Kirk,
+ 211880 [drosihn@gm i] For unix, you might want to check out the rubygem called 'daemons'.
+ 211909 [znmeb@ce ma ] Be careful ... we don't want to have Ruby known as "daemon spawn", do we?

Re: Hal Fulton Interview
211790 [wccrawford@g] Not to nitpick, but...
211792 [pat.eyler@gm] Thanks, and do look for his book.  The first edition was great, and I'm
+ 211794 [perrin@ap th] I've never read the first (and, in fact, still haven't laid eyes on it
+ 211796 [james@gr yp ] I agree.  It was out-of-date when I found it and still a dang good

gem question
211805 [sigzero@gm i] When I go to install sqlite3-ruby on Windows XP, I am faced with a list
+ 211806 [acangiano@gm] Select option 1: sqlite3-ruby 1.1.0 (mswin32)
+ 211808 [johnatl@ma .] You can think of that as mswin32=Windows, ruby=Everything but Windows. The
  212001 [sigzero@gm i] Thanks guys!

[OT] good article on threads
211826 [ara.t.howard] given some of the recent discussions on threads i thought some of you might
+ 212057 [david@va ln ] Mildly interesting. I think the popularity of using threads comes from
| 212080 [garbagecat10] People know how strongly I feel about this, so I risk the
+ 212095 [hramrach@ce ] "To offer another analogy, a folk definition of insanity is to do the
  + 212358 [rick.denatal] So I should STOP playing golf???
  + 212456 [david@va ln ] As Rick DeNatale pointed out, the folk analogy is nonsense. The real
    + 212482 [znmeb@ce ma ] 1. As Dijkstra pointed out decades ago, as soon as you have I/O
    + 212636 [rick.denatal] Well, as far as we can tell, but it's a topic of debate.  Einstein
      + 212643 [hal9000@hy e] Exactly.
      + 213038 [david@va ln ] Einstein also didn't know about quantum. Past the uncertainty boundary,
        213047 [rick.denatal] Actually he did.  He just was uncomfortable with the idea.

problems with rubyforge?
211829 [ara.t.howard] everyfile i've released today, eiher manually or automatically cannot be
211989 [chris.hulan@] I seem to recall that it takes a while for the mirrors that provide the

Insecure word writable dir?
211831 [joevandyk@gm] Here's /tmp
+ 211832 [ara.t.howard] it's very annoying.
+ 211878 [matz@ru y- a] That means you have world writable directory in your load path ($PATH)
  + 211922 [drbrain@se m] ===================================================================
  | 211948 [matz@ru y- a] It's better, but this warning can be caused by both $PATH and
  | 212252 [nobu@ru y- a] I guess fpath_check() to be check for LOAD_PATH but not for
  + 213010 [ryand-ruby@z] ugh). That said, on my mac mini, where all user directories are on a
    213016 [ara.t.howard] i second that.  it's the only reason i don't use $VERBOSE too.
    213041 [matz@ru y- a] We've changed the condition.  World writable parent directories would
    213074 [nobu@ru y- a] The check is disabled on Windows.
    213092 [matz@ru y- a] Please commit.

Ruby program installed via RPM
211837 [joevandyk@gm] bin/start_program.rb
211839 [halostatue@g] Why not use a gem?
211843 [joevandyk@gm] RubyGems is not authorized for use.
211851 [halostatue@g] And ... what's the reasoning for this? I'm genuinely curious.
211854 [joevandyk@gm] Our company has rather strict policies on software.  One of the
211867 [transfire@gm] I've been _slowly_ working on one. Currently the system can generate a

Reading font metrics
211842 [ray@th ca ra] that I can generate a list of installed fonts by name in a Ruby script.
+ 211844 [halostatue@g] I haven't implemented it yet, but there's definite information you can
+ 212859 [2006@ho el .] Hmm. First, you should figure out if your operating system offers a way
+ 212914 [rubyforum@co] I have just started a rubyforge project ('fontlib') that should be able

Re: Unable to gem install rdoc.  Can somebody suggest someth
211846 [shodson@gm i] I'm having the same problem on Ubuntu 6.06.  I never "make" anything, I
211892 [rick.denatal] While in general, I LOVE ubuntu and debian, but I've pretty much given
211965 [wccrawford@g] Make sure you use Adept/Aptitude/whatever to install not only rdoc, but

Fwd: Please Forward: Ruby Quiz Submission (92)
211847 [james@gr yp ] ...

[C ext 2 Ruby] questions about rb_iv_set/get
211850 [pere.noel@la] i do have some questions about rb_iv_set/get in order to know if i must
+ 211852 [pat.eyler@gm] I'm afraid I can't help you with your question, but I can help you get
| 211933 [pere.noel@la] what are those exactly ? the "[C ext 2 Ruby]" : for my point of view it
+ 211853 [TimHunter@nc] Assuming you're using one of the rb_str_new family of functions to
  211932 [pere.noel@la] ok, fine, thanks, for this precise answer !

[ANN] mem_inspect and png
211858 [drbrain@se m] I'm pleased to announce to new libraries written by members of the
+ 211861 [james@gr yp ] I'm lovin' that.  Too cool!
+ 212410 [hhausman@gm ] File.open on windows needs to be explicitly told to be binary. Adding
  212413 [drbrain@se m] Yes, I've fixed this in the source repository.

TkDialogBox missing?
211860 [jw@ra en in ] I am pretty new to ruby, but I have used perl/Tk in my previous life ;-)
211895 [nagai@ai ky ] That is NOT a standard widget of Tcl/Tk.
211931 [jw@ra en in ] Thanks for your quick reply! (BTW: is Hidetishi your first name?)
212432 [jw@ra en in ] I can't figure out how to use this widget properly.  I have two major
+ 212494 [m_goldberg@a] The iwidget widget set is Ruby support for [incr Widgets]. You can
| 212599 [jw@ra en in ] Thanks for your reply, Morton!
| 212700 [m_goldberg@a] Did you try clicking on any of the widget names in the sidebar? When
| + 212723 [nagai@ai ky ] Do you have any requests for Iwidgets support of Ruby/Tk?
| | 212728 [m_goldberg@a] Not at this stage of my explorations. So far what little I've tried
| + 212792 [jw@ra en in ] Yes, but for me, this looks more like a man page than a tutorial. ;-)
|   212813 [m_goldberg@a] A man page with sample code and a picture of the result? That's
|   212857 [vagabond@ca ] Hey all,
|   212884 [nagai@ai ky ] Great! Please post here or send to me.
|   213003 [vagabond@ca ] what I ended up changing... if you have any questions, please ask...
|   213975 [nagai@ai ky ] Thank you for your patch. I have some questions.
|   214127 [vagabond@ca ] ).7.6, which seems to be the latest.
|   214501 [vagabond@ca ] irb(main):007:0> tabs.itemconfigure(0, :compound=>:text)
|   214544 [nagai@ai ky ] I'm sorry for the belated reply to your old mail.
+ 212697 [nagai@ai ky ] Please run '<ruby-src>/ext/tk/sample/tkextlib/bwidget/demo.rb',
  212797 [jw@ra en in ] Now with your example, it is pretty clear how it works.  Thank you very
  212878 [nagai@ai ky ] It doesn't verify whether your Ruby/Tk can load Iwidgets extension or not.
  212981 [jw@ra en in ] $ ruby /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/tkextlib/pkg_checker.rb
  213974 [nagai@ai ky ] I think so.

Fwd: [Q] How would you do method extensions (sometimes called class extensions) in Ruby?
211862 [gaelli@em rg] ...

Fwd: [Q] How would you do method extensions (sometimes called class extensions) in Ruby?
211863 [gaelli@em rg] ...

Fwd: [Q] How would you do method extensions (sometimes called class extensions) in Ruby?
211864 [gaelli@em rg] ...

Fwd: Footnote to Re: [Q] How would you do method extensions (sometimes called class extensions) in Ruby? (was: Fwd: Thoughts from an outsider)
211865 [gaelli@em rg] ...

Fun with XEXPR
211869 [gavin@re in ] Just sharing some fun code. I think I cranked this out in 30 minutes.

Testing Threads with connections
211872 [davieira@gm ] I've been trying to make a stress test generator in ruby for a New IO
211946 [shortcutter@] Insert this at the top of your script to see whether there are

TK help
211875 [name.goes.he] Okay so I set up a greeting AI for my sceince projet, (cool right?) but
211887 [m_goldberg@a] I don't know why you say you can't unpack your button -- it's

namespace pollution in ruby
211876 [inxs.hemant@] ...
211879 [logancapaldo] [snip code]
211882 [inxs.hemant@] ...
211883 [logancapaldo] class RailsPrefixActiveRecord
+ 211886 [inxs.hemant@] ...
+ 212855 [2006@ho el .] <raise hand> Um, I don't. Since he said "prefixes IN the
  212860 [logancapaldo] I said prefix every method. Every Cocoa/NextSTEP method is not

Rails newbie: why is my partial template not rendering?
211889 [dan.caughert] I wanted to be a good Rails programmer, and use a shared partial
+ 211891 [james.britt@] You may get better, faster answers asking rails questions on the rails
| + 211907 [gdonald@gm i] Greg Donald
| | + 211927 [chiology@gm ] Both Logan's and Max's answers are right on the money. That should set
| | + 211934 [james.britt@] Ah.  Thanks.
| + 211983 [halostatue@g] The rails list, I think, has changed to using a Google Group.
|   211993 [dan.caughert] Thank you everyone for showing me the error of my ways
+ 211903 [logancapaldo] No they aren't ;)
| 211926 [drbrain@se m] If you're going to answer a Rails question send the answer to the
+ 211906 [ruby@mu rm n] Ah, I've done this many many times... You're missing a "="

Rescuing a 'require'
211890 [drosihn@gm i] I wanted to use Socket.gethostname to get the current hostname
+ 211899 [logancapaldo] begin
+ 211900 [eero.saynatk] rescue LoadError
+ 211901 [rick.denatal] irb(main):006:0> begin
  211904 [rick.denatal] Ah, answers in three-part harmony.
  212359 [drosihn@gm i] Ah.  Very good.  I figured it was something simple that I was missing.

Using [incr Widgets] in Ruby/Tk on OS X
211893 [m_goldberg@a] I'm using Ruby 1.8.2 on Mac OS X 10.4.7. I discovered the Ruby
211896 [nagai@ai ky ] Please use "require 'tkextlib/iwidgets'".
+ 211918 [m_goldberg@a] Thanks very much. That's what I needed to know. I don't know why I
+ 211938 [pere.noel@la] i wanted to experiment that too, reading "SUPPORT_STATUS" gave me this
  211939 [pere.noel@la] une b?vue
  211959 [nagai@ai ky ] Thank you for your report. I'll fix it later.

Q: How to use non-builtin class as hash key?
211898 [very.funny.j] ...
211902 [vjoel@pa h. ] You need to define #eql? in your class, since that is how Hash compares
211912 [very.funny.j] ...
+ 211917 [vjoel@pa h. ] I'm not sure what you are asking, but you can define #== and #eql?
+ 211981 [rick.denatal] $ri Object#hash
+ 212004 [martin@sn wp] I assume you are asking why defining .eql? is necessary.  (You seem to

Off topic: What is "top posting" ??
211908 [brad_peek@ya] What is "top posting" and why is it considered bad form?
+ 211910 [cdc@cy he s.] This is top posting.
+ 211911 [vjoel@pa h. ] This is, and it is so considered because many people find it confusing
+ 211914 [jmg3000@gm i] Is it because is it considered bad form that you came to this mailing list?
| + 211919 [brad_peek@ya] Not sure I understand your question.  I had read a post in this forum
| | 211921 [hal9000@hy e] The question is obviously fine, and I don't grasp
| | + 211924 [chiology@gm ] I don't grasp it either.
| | + 211928 [jmg3000@gm i] Doh. I'm sorry to waste your time guys. I shouldn't have been so
| |   211929 [hal9000@hy e] [snip snip]
| + 211960 [drnicwilliam] He asked a meta-forum question in a forum for a language that supports
+ 211915 [logancapaldo] Responding Like This.
| 211936 [perrin@ap th] A. It reverses the normal flow of conversation.
| 211966 [wccrawford@g] You know, the problem I have with this answer is that in a forum, the
| 211973 [floyd@ap fl ] This is not a "forum", it is Usenet.  There are *many* different
| + 211979 [leslieviljoe] People should also realize that Outlook makes proper bottom posting so
| | + 212047 [david@va ln ] I can usually force myself to follow the conventions the other person
| | | 212066 [mikewoodhous] IIRC, there is an option lurking somewhere to make this
| | | 212086 [david@va ln ] Happened to me. Frequently around end-of-semester time for added
| | + 212118 [hal9000@hy e] Very true! Sometimes it's not just painful, but *impossible* to
| | + 212122 [reid.thompso] will remedy Outlooks crud...
| + 211988 [wccrawford@g] Forum or usenet (or mailing list), first is first.  Any decent usenet
| | + 212134 [perrin@ap th] Speak for yourself.  I assume that people should be accomodated in the
| | | + 212139 [chiology@gm ] One of the reasons I prefer GMail for reading Mailing Lists is because
| | | | + 212153 [perrin@ap th] I prefer mutt (the mail user agent I use) over Gmail.  I do have a Gmail
| | | | + 212659 [rick.denatal] I love gmail for the same reasons, but it's not perfect.
| | | + 212141 [znmeb@ce ma ] It's interesting that you should mention blind correspondents, because
| | | | + 212144 [Jamal.Mazrui] As a blind person, I realize that I represent a small minority
| | | | | + 212188 [david@va ln ] Messages with long quotes are "bad form" (even there are differing
| | | | | + 212251 [jmg3000@gm i] Jamal,
| | | | |   + 212565 [vidar@ed ei ] Emacs combined with Emacspeak already does this if you use GNUS (Emacs
| | | | |   + 212573 [robert.dober] ...
| | | | + 212151 [perrin@ap th] That's fine . . . until you get a discussion that is complex enough to
| | | + 212155 [wccrawford@g] As Jamal noted, That's not entirely true.
| | |   + 212161 [perrin@ap th] For him.  He's the first blind person I've run across with that opinion.
| | |   + 212165 [james.britt@] I've had this discussion with other people on other lists.  I've been
| | |     212172 [perrin@ap th] That's an interesting point.  With rare exception, the amount of anger
| | + 212208 [ihatespam@ro] This is not true.
| | + 212209 [ihatespam@ro] This is not true.
| | + 212210 [ihatespam@ro] This is not true.
| | | 212215 [wccrawford@g] You managed to misquote me here.  You have completed destroyed the
| | | + 212219 [perrin@ap th] Ignore for a moment the individual errors made, and think about the
| | | + 212241 [ihatespam@ro] Yes, I did misquote you...  I think this is a clear indication of how
| | |   212244 [ihatespam@ro] Okay, now that I was forced to re-read my posts (in order to correct
| | |   212272 [wccrawford@g] I have accepted and acknowledged that this list requires bottom-posting
| | |   + 212279 [floyd@ap fl ] It is, however, virtually always inherently inappropriate because
| | |   + 212312 [perrin@ap th] Actually, at least three people haven't just assumed everyone else was
| | |   + 212338 [ihatespam@ro] Of course.  My apologies for logging the dead horse...
| | |     212382 [perrin@ap th] It varies from list to list (having been on many).  In general, in
| | + 212243 [ihatespam@ro] This is not true.
| + 212082 [halostatue@g] No, in fact, it isn't. What you're actually reading is the result of a
|   + 212093 [headius@he d] ...
|   | + 212099 [david@va ln ] No. This requires flipping between messages. This is slow to do and
|   | | + 212138 [perrin@ap th] I don't have problems doing so, but I have a problem with people forcing
|   | | + 212284 [floyd@ap fl ] Perhaps his time is not worth much to him either.  He says he is
|   | + 212148 [perrin@ap th] So does mine, but I still don't like having to switch back and forth
|   |   212169 [headius@he d] ...
|   |   212176 [perrin@ap th] I can have multiple emails open.  I like to use my screen real estate to
|   |   212183 [headius@he d] ...
|   |   212190 [perrin@ap th] Note the lower-case m following a period.  Am I supposed to read minds
|   + 212135 [perrin@ap th] Whoops.  I thought usenet was primary, and said something to that effect
|   | 212162 [hal9000@hy e] I'm not sure you can view either as "primary." The mailing
|   + 212281 [floyd@ap fl ] Once you gateway it to Usenet, that *is* prime.  There are
|     + 212286 [wccrawford@g] You do realize there are many, many, many more people that know how to
|     | + 212292 [floyd@ap fl ] Whats with the "unknown" attribute?  Are you afraid to associate
|     | | 212295 [wccrawford@g] The forum doesn't say your name.  I assume that's because you are on
|     | | 212299 [floyd@ap fl ] This is typical of your entire article.  Nothing was out of
|     | | 212302 [wccrawford@g] If you seperate a portion of a statement from the rest of it, you have
|     | | 212305 [floyd@ap fl ] That is a dishonest statement.
|     | + 212349 [bulliver@ba ] charset="utf-8"
|     |   + 212353 [dblack@wo bl] I don't mean to pounce on you, Darren -- I just want to ask everyone
|     |   | 212388 [perrin@ap th] Er, whoops, I posted replies to other subthreads before I saw this.  Mea
|     |   + 212387 [perrin@ap th] RFC 1855
|     |     212454 [jp@je fp it ] ... or
|     |     212500 [perrin@ap th] I think pretty much everybody is annoyed by overly long quotes, no
|     + 212315 [perrin@ap th] I . . . don't agree.  The mailing list, too, is archived -- and there
+ 211972 [floyd@ap fl ] What an interesting set of "answers" you are getting, eh?
  212011 [transfire@gm] I always wondered if an xml-like notation might catch on for this
  + 212017 [ara.t.howard] not at all.  i use pine and/or mutt.  vim is my editor for both.  i can take
  | 212051 [jp@je fp it ] Isn't the root of the disagreement the fact that some of us only use the
  | + 212078 [wccrawford@g] Worse, there's also the newsgroup comp.lang.ruby.  So there's not only 3
  | | 212092 [david@va ln ] Still, it's proper form to think of people that feel uncomfortable
  | + 212158 [perrin@ap th] Even if I liked the web interface more (which I don't), I still wouldn't
  | + 212289 [floyd@ap fl ] It isn't the difference between web and email, it is a different
  |   + 212293 [shevegen@li ] Top posting is less logical than bottom posting.
  |   + 212318 [perrin@ap th] Actually, I've been thinking about this . . . and based on my own
  + 212050 [david@va ln ] If it ain't broke...
    212163 [perrin@ap th] In addition, I actually use plaintext-only mail reading as a "security"
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