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210531-212639 subjects 210917-214802

^ rubyinline
210711 [transfire gm] I managed to generalize my 'rubytest' this afternoon into a nice
+ 210713 [pat.eyler gm] Trans,
| 210723 [transfire gm] Ah, the one that allows C to be run in Ruby. Okay. I'll have to think
+ 210856 [transfire gm] Wow. No one has any ideas on this? Hmm.. maybe a more specific
| 210864 [llasram gmai] You could #eval the code in the subprocess.  That seems like an easy (if
| 210948 [transfire gm] Nice! I'll try that!
| 210954 [eero.saynatk] Marshall's solution should be just fine--however,
| 210959 [transfire gm] Understood. I just haven't found a new name I like yet. It was called
| 210975 [chiology gma] ActiveTest
| 210981 [rsanheim gma] There is a Rails plugin called ActiveTest, so that ones taken too =).
| 211048 [chiology gma] Whoops!
+ 211074 [ryand-ruby z] Me too! the name... RubyInline is alive and well-used so please don't
  211083 [transfire gm] Okay (for the third time).

^ Memory Leak Solved With Sync (no way)
210738 [zedshaw zeds] 1) That's just how the OS accounts for memory (wrong since the processes

^ Off topic Linux memory management rant (was Re: Can Anyone Explain This Memory Leak?)
210742 [znmeb cesmai] As a performance engineer who works with managers and capacity planners

^ [ANN] Mongrel 0.3.13.4 Pre-Release -- Ruby's LEAK Fixed (Death To Mutex!)
210743 [zedshaw zeds] Howdy Folks,
210755 [ara.t.howard] if you are really serious about fixing your leak i suggest you re-work your
+ 210773 [zedshaw zeds] Ara, this is uncool.  Seriously man, don't e-mail me personally and then
| 210790 [ara.t.howard] suspect it has something to do with all the recipients and the fact that it
| + 210795 [znmeb cesmai] [snip snip snip]
| | + 210809 [ara.t.howard] fortytwo :~ > cat /etc/redhat-release; uname -srm; cat /proc/cpuinfo; cat /proc/meminfo
| | + 210881 [zedshaw zeds] Good question Ed, from what I know it was tested all over by most people
| + 210804 [khaines enig] I have been playing with this all morning.
|   210943 [ara.t.howard] me too ;-)  i took a few pages from your book and included some of the other
|   210988 [ara.t.howard] after a few hours i've finally seen the sync code cycle down after growing
+ 210779 [hutch recurs] I ran your test on OS/X looking at VSZ and RSS. And, like you,
| 210787 [hutch recurs] Well I tried your test on OS X. The Sync had no problem, the mutex
| 210823 [znmeb cesmai] Finally someone with some platform details!! <vbg>
| + 210863 [phurley gmai] OS Name	Microsoft Windows XP Professional
| + 210882 [zedshaw zeds] This is exactly the problem I'm complaining about.  It's not that Ruby's
| | 210892 [znmeb cesmai] And when a lazy garbage collector meets a lazy OS memory manager, all
| + 210926 [hutch recurs] Indeed.
| | 210928 [hutch recurs] Zed, this might be really bad or no problem at all. Is there a safe
| + 210927 [hutch recurs] Well I certainly hope it is superstition. But it is kind of like
+ 210889 [martin snowp] There's a problem with how this script measures its memory usage - it
  + 210893 [znmeb cesmai] You're assuming here that the OS is accurately counting RSS and that the
  | 210920 [martin snowp] You're telling me I shouldn't be using %MEM.  I already knew that, and
  + 210930 [ara.t.howard] good catch!  i'm tweaking my script now....

^ Fun with setter functions
210744 [devlists-rub] I have a setter function in a class that I would like to pass additional
210782 [jan.svitok g] Try
211079 [shortcutter ] Both approaches won't work as Ruby does allow only exactly one argument

^ [JOB] RoR Developers (4), Orlando, FL | 50-85k | Relo OK
210745 [beau open-so] RoR Developers (4), Orlando, FL | 50-85k | Relo OK

^ map and join or inject?
210749 [akonsu gmail] given an array of strings A, i need to map a given function F to each
+ 210750 [erikveen gma] $ vi test.rb ; cat test.rb
| 210825 [akonsu gmail] thanks, i did not know that one can count objects using ObjectSpace.
| + 210883 [brent.rowlan] It's true that map appears to create fewer objects, which may have some
| + 210904 [robert.dober] ...
| + 210947 [james graypr] It has to do with the block you gave inject() and the definition of
+ 210752 [robert.dober] ...
  210762 [robert.dober] ...

^ Ruby == how does it works?
210751 [efuzzyone ne] Does the Ruby '==' operator compares the 'object_ids' of the element before
210754 [jtregunna bl] Depends on how the object receiving it implements it.
+ 210824 [efuzzyone ne] And how does hashes, and arrays implement it?
| 210846 [phurley gmai] ri Hash#==
+ 210831 [phurley gmai] More exactly == is a method ->

^ Why Ruby does not nead an ide
210756 [atbusbook ao] 1: ruby is an efisiont clean languige that is digsined to minamize
+ 210759 [wccrawford g] That's what's wonderful about Ruby, but that doesn't mean it doesn't
| + 210764 [work ashleym] I think it's fair to say that Ruby removes the *need* for an IDE but
| + 210765 [huw DELTHISB] ...
|   210768 [perrin apoth] You don't say . . . !
|   210792 [znmeb cesmai] The same is true for Forth -- tersely expressed, an IDE built in from
|   + 210821 [chneukirchen] A Smalltalk core likely would be bigger, since it has to do more.
|   | 210838 [znmeb cesmai] Yeah ... for some reason, I'm the kind of hard-core geek that's supposed
|   | 210855 [perrin apoth] Hardly.  EMACS is more than ten times the installed size of Vim.  I've
|   | 210906 [david vallne] Dear lord in heavens, for the love of all that's good and holy, not this
|   | + 210923 [alex blackke] Actually, I get bitten by this at least every week, but the other way
|   | + 210961 [znmeb cesmai] I do it all the time with Windows "GVim". It's faster for me to
|   | | 210968 [znmeb cesmai] Just as a side note, I don't currently have Eclipse installed on my
|   | | + 210989 [headius head] ...
|   | | | 211016 [znmeb cesmai] Uh yeah ... Eclipse is a Java IDE. As I noted elsewhere, "xemacs-sumo"
|   | | | 211020 [headius head] ...
|   | | | 211025 [perrin apoth] Screw that.  Real programmers use echo, cat, and redirects.
|   | | + 210994 [david vallne] So, having done the empirical measurement of starting the bittorrent
|   | |   211010 [znmeb cesmai] I only used the download size as an indicator of package size. I usually
|   | |   211033 [david vallne] I'd scream very loudly and castrate anyone that would try and take
|   | + 210967 [perrin apoth] Yeah, 'cause things never add up.
|   |   210990 [david vallne] 160 GB of hard drive space cost as much as a month of a 1 pack / day
|   |   211002 [perrin apoth] I don't own any 160GB hard drives.  I have no use for them.  My largest
|   + 210834 [david vallne] Amen. All the arguments about code being equally easy to manipulate if
|     210866 [znmeb cesmai] Ah, but in my younger days I *could* completely rewrite a few thousand
|     210873 [headius head] ...
|     210886 [znmeb cesmai] I cheated ... I knew what the user wanted it to do. :)
+ 210835 [squeamz hotm] One would wonder why he enumerated random unrelated points...
+ 210874 [julesjacobs ] grep?
| + 210875 [headius head] ...
| | + 210885 [znmeb cesmai] I don't know about Emacs, but xemacs-sumo was bigger than OpenOffice.org
| | | 210895 [efuzzyone ne] Why do you need the sumo, if you only want to program? The sumo contains,
| | | 210971 [perrin apoth] That would be me.
| | + 210907 [david vallne] Now this is one phenomenon I never understood. Why is that a good thing?!
| |   210914 [jeremy chaos] ...
| |   + 210955 [znmeb cesmai] 1. As Eleanor Roosevelt said, "No one can make you feel inferior without
| |   + 210973 [perrin apoth] It's especially fun when someone using Esc+Meta+Alt+Ctrl+Shift makes fun
| |     210976 [znmeb cesmai] Uh ... cake || eat? That's an *inclusive* or, isn't it? :)
| |     + 210977 [perrin apoth] Good point.
| |     | + 210987 [znmeb cesmai] If you bought a new PC with Windows ME installed, or if you wiped a
| |     | + 210995 [david vallne] I know people who still use and adore that OS.
| |     + 210978 [hal9000 hype] Hmm, yeah... but it short-circuits, so if the first is true you
| |       + 210980 [perrin apoth] I take it you missed the earlier discussion re: static typing, in which
| |       | 210982 [hal9000 hype] I had a hard time filling in the last part, so I
| |       | + 210983 [perrin apoth] How 'bout just GWBASIC?
| |       | + 210996 [david vallne] College freshman assembly? Hey, you could squeeze tens of CPU clock
| |       | + 211030 [roerd arcor.] Could "spaghetti code" be called a paradigm?
| |       |   211040 [znmeb cesmai] Yes, indeed it could. And to add to my challenge, I asked for something
| |       |   + 211042 [TimHunter nc] SCO
| |       |   | 211049 [znmeb cesmai] SCO is certainly a strong contender, but I'll have to veto RIAA. :)
| |       |   | 211066 [perrin apoth] Really?  You think the RIAA doesn't suck?
| |       |   + 211100 [martin snowp] Could I ask you to elaborate on this?  In what manner does spaghetti
| |       |     211162 [Bil.Kleb NAS] Later,
| |       + 210997 [david vallne] Hey, no touching *very* successful home gaming platforms - IIRC, the DOS
| |         + 211005 [perrin apoth] This is true, but . . . I let the MSDOS comment slide because of other,
| |         + 211024 [billk cts.co] Apologies in advance for contributing to the [OT]ness...
| |           211036 [david vallne] Meh. The thread started with a rant, it was destined to sidetrack
| + 210876 [perrin apoth] It's even more than an IDE.  It's an operating system.
| | 210884 [znmeb cesmai] Ah ... but Forth is an assembler, language, interpreter, compiler, IDE
| + 210896 [efuzzyone ne] It can be done, check out slime (mode for lisp).
+ 210878 [tbray textua] I don't know, as a recent arrival from Java I sure miss my IDE.
  210908 [david vallne] Komodo somehow managed the last time I tried with Python. It would offer
  210921 [wccrawford g] I just checked again, and their page say 'full support' for several

^ Cerberus 0.2.2 released
210760 [anatol.pomoz] I am glad to announce 0.2.2 version of Cerberus

^ Re: Why atbusbook@aol.com does need a spellchecker
210769 [murdoc_0 hot] Nothing really to say, just thought I'd make the subject a bit more appropriate.
210836 [david vallne] <troll>
+ 210887 [chiology gma] Please be kind.
| 211085 [robert.dober] ...
| 211093 [chiology gma] ;D
+ 211084 [murdoc_0 hot] What's with the troll tags?

^ [ANN] Euruko 06
210770 [    s xss.de] Euruko06, the European Ruby Conference,
+ 210774 [chneukirchen] Whee! I'll be there.
+ 211211 [kero chello.] ...
  212341 [chneukirchen] And you don't even need to camp this year... ;-)  (But I bet you do it anyway?)
  212550 [kero chello.] ...
  212798 [chneukirchen] Well, you gotta stay on a bench in the Englischer Garten, then. :-P

^ Re: Mongrel 0.3.13.4 Pre-Release -- Ruby's LEAK Fixed (Death
210775 [wccrawford g] Maybe he simply cc'd you on the reply to the list?  I doubt it was a

^ hiding salt with C
210784 [cdc cyphers.] Does anybody know of an existing C extension that interfaces with ruby
+ 210803 [phurley gmai] I would suggest just compressing your salt and using zlib to
+ 210832 [interfecus g] The salt doesn't need to be secret. The whole point of modern

^ Re: Duck typing alows true polymorfisim [Hoff Topic]
210788 [david vallne] Wooer. Troll fight over Ruby? (Spot the book reference and win...

^ (none)
210796 [hr7376 gmail] ...

^ [ANN] Ruby-VPI 0.9.2
210798 [skurapat ucs] Ruby-VPI is a Ruby interface to Verilog VPI. It lets you create

^ Deep Integration of Ruby with Web Ontology Language
210802 [paulseni uni] I've read a paper about an early prototype implementation of the deep
210938 [lyle.johnson] I try to keep up with this as well, and as far as I know, ActiveRDF is

^ Drb through NAT/firewall problem
210810 [philippe.lan] ...

^ Re: My book is out -- Ruby on Rails: Up and Running
210811 [jp jeffpritc] Elliot, why do some people get annoyed by "top post's"?  Seems perfectly
+ 210816 [wccrawford g] I think http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/T/top-post.html sums it up
| 210848 [amrmalik gma] Thanks for the links, although I'd have to disagree with your line of
+ 212532 [reply-in-gro] ...

^ Referencing an object through it's id string.
210813 [alexandre.hu] through foo.object_id for instance?
+ 210819 [ezmobius gma] ObjectSpace._id2ref(object_id) -> an_object
+ 210830 [david vallne] Considering that object ids are only valid throughout one interpreter
| + 210868 [kbloom gmail] Have a look at how weakref.rb is implemented. It keeps track of the
| | 210912 [david vallne] I figured as much, but that was the only behaviour I could think of that
| + 210919 [alexandre.hu] Thanks for the information!
|   210922 [david vallne] Is this a web application? (Rails maybe? Seeing as the words template
+ 210854 [eero.saynatk] obj = ObjectSpace.id2ref object_id

^ [Nitro] LoadError occured when requiring 'part/admin'
210820 [munouzin gma] I've upgrade Nitro and it's family gems to the newest ( Nitro 0.31.0
210837 [james.britt ] James Britt

^ Matz' Wild Ideas: Annotations
210828 [transfire gm] I was looking at Matz' Wild and Weird ideas [1]. He talks about
+ 210891 [chiology gma] module Annotate
| + 210898 [transfire gm] To be annotations though, they really need to be accessible and
| + 210905 [david vallne] To add some more confusion, I would have thought first-class annotations
+ 210939 [garbagecat10] ...
| 210970 [chiology gma] class X
| + 210979 [garbagecat10] ...
| + 211531 [transfire gm] FYI. I'm working on this for next version of Facets' Annotations
+ 210986 [pgquiles elp] ...

^ Nuby with instance_eval question
210829 [geofflbarnes] 1 class Klass
210952 [eero.saynatk] You are creating a closure here and, since 'chum' exists in
210966 [geofflbarnes] Blocks passed to instance_eval are still bound to where ever they were

^ [ANN] Piston 1.1.0
210833 [francois.bea] Piston is a utility that enables merge tracking of remoterepositories. This is similar to svn:externals, except you have alocal copy of the files, which you can modify at will. As long as thechanges are mergeable, you should have no problems.

^ Casting string to IO?
210839 [adam usa.net] I'm reading log file settings from a YAML file. Since Logger.new can
+ 210849 [eero.saynatk] The problem is that you are not casting, you are dealing with
+ 210860 [llasram gmai] require 'logger'
| 210888 [adam usa.net] Very nice! Thanks!
+ 210913 [david vallne] <pedant>

^ logging a backtrace
210840 [snacktime gm] If I catch an exception, is there a way to produce a backtrace that I
210861 [ezmobius gma] rescue Exception => e
210869 [snacktime gm] Thanks, that's just what I was looking for.

^ [OT] Re: Why Ruby does not nead an ide
210842 [david vallne] Pathological incoherence. Just check his other threads.

^ Re: ruby-lang down?
210851 [djberg96 gma] I can't get to it either.  Also, it appears the gateway is having
210877 [djberg96 gma] Seems both are back up.

^ Ruby IP to Location
210857 [payscroll gm] Hey folks
210862 [jtregunna bl] There's hostip, but it's only really accurate on the country level.

^ What am I doing wrong? -Chat server code-
210859 [curtis.zimme] I am running ruby 1.8.6 on WinXP.
+ 210871 [nospam nosit] / ... snipped code listing
| 210880 [curtis.zimme] First of all, thanks for helping me out. I had a problem that I
| 210894 [nospam nosit] I wanted to know whether the IBM site contained code with an error in it, or
+ 210946 [alex blackke] Really?  What does ruby -v say?

^ [ANN]: Pandora 0.4.4 Release
210872 [julian.kamil] I am pleased to announce that Pandora 0.4.4 is now available to the

^ Best practice? own libs
210897 [rubyforum co] I'd like to ask you for your recommendations. I
+ 210900 [transfire gm] Depends on your needs. But #1 and #3 aren't portable. #2 is the right
| 211017 [jes luretank] Go for RubyGems. They're simple to generate and even simpler to use. I am
+ 211232 [drbrain segm] ruby -I in your rake/make testing rule.
  211477 [rubyforum co] thanks all for your suggestions. I think that I go for changing $: for

^ Ruby threads and the system call
210901 [vincent.four] ...
+ 210918 [nospam nosit] / ...
| 210972 [vincent.four] Great thanks, I had completely forgotten to call join for the
+ 210932 [garbagecat10] ...

^ Ruby ID3 script
210909 [joao.michiga] ...

^ Ruby Cookbook vs Programming Ruby
210915 [joao.michiga] ...
+ 210916 [sambient gma] Your not comparing apples to apples here.  Both serve seperate
+ 210929 [m_goldberg a] Both are worth having, but if you can really only afford one, I
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