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^ [ANN] TRUG 3 April 2005 Meeting
135825 [mike stok.co] The Toronto Ruby User Group will be meeting at the usual time and place on

^ look-behind regexp ?
135841 [demerzel gma] Are there any plans to support look-behinds in the core regexp engine?
135845 [matz ruby-la] 1.9 Oniguruma regexp engine already has one.
+ 135850 [demerzel gma] Thanks!
+ 135856 [binkley alum] * Perl's own regexps
  135864 [flgr ccan.de] fairly complete listing of its features.
  + 135868 [binkley alum] Ah, yes.  Thanks.  I should have Googled first.  :)
  | + 135879 [halostatue g] 1. Licensing. PCRE's licensing has been somewhat fluid. The current
  | | 135881 [binkley alum] Hrm.
  | + 135883 [matz ruby-la] PCRE does only support UTF-8 (as far as I know), not multiple
  |   135884 [binkley alum] Ah.  I inferred as much from the prominence given the list of encodings,
  |   135888 [matz ruby-la] ASCII BIG5 EUC-KR EUC-JP EUC-TW
  |   136055 [chneukirchen] All this sounds very good.  Is there any reason not to use Oniguruma
  |   136064 [mailing-list] It's still under very heavy development,
  + 136540 [g_ogata optu] How about adding a metachar reference to the rdoc for Regexp?  (Or

^ gems for DBI and MySQL?
135852 [mark ociweb.] I need to access a MySQL database from Ruby.

^ Defining a Class Accessor
135859 [james graypr] I was playing around with an idea in another thread and ran into a
+ 135861 [martin.anker] The problem is that the class variables are defined for Module, and not
+ 135862 [phurley gmai] I have been playing with this myself, your @@one is in Module not in
| 135897 [james graypr] Makes sense.  Thank you.
| 135905 [phurley gmai] Not a problem, I feel like less of a ruby newbie today :-)
+ 135869 [flgr ccan.de] Do you really need to use @@variables? From my experience they tend to
| 135906 [navindra cs.] Could you explain why they would cause trouble?
| 135934 [flgr ccan.de] I thought the original post would answer that well enough already, but
| 135968 [navindra cs.] Well, someone clarified what the problem was...  he was assigning to
| + 135973 [dblack wobbl] As long as you add "... and possibly objects of another class" :-)
| + 135978 [flgr ccan.de] class Foo
+ 135875 [bob.news gmx] "James Edward Gray II" <james@grayproductions.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
  135899 [james graypr] Right, because I put the code in Module.  It makes sense, when you let

^ New Group Board
135860 [Greg.Kujawa ] Just a note to inform everyone that there is a new Ruby discussion group I
+ 135866 [rob.02004 gm] Greg, how do you intend the Rubyway group to be different from the
+ 135867 [james_b neur] The intro page (prior to joining) says
| 135871 [Greg.Kujawa ] ruby-talk list? i.e. when should we post to one instead of the other? By Rob
| + 135877 [james_b neur] You may want to convey that on the group's intro page so that folks
| + 135885 [flgr ccan.de] Which gets me wondering. Doesn't
|   135886 [Greg.Kujawa ] Good point. Similar to how http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/ruby/ archives off
|   135887 [Greg.Kujawa ] thinking of joining know what to expect. By James Britt
|   135895 [james_b neur] Yes, but it needs to go on the main page
|   135896 [Greg.Kujawa ] Good point. Thanks for the suggestion!
+ 135908 [ news jay.fm] Greg.Kujawa@DiamondCellar.com says...

^ Respect and Disappointment
135863 [curt hibbs.c] I've finally started a blog. I really didn't want to go public with it
+ 135870 [flgr ccan.de] Please post Ruby stuff to
| 135878 [curt hibbs.c] Thanks... its done! I just added my blog to the Ruby Buzz aggregation (I
+ 136024 [perails sezn] cause you don't have comments and David stop comments of this story,
| + 136033 [batkins57 gm] Ridiculous.  You're saying Rails (I'm assuming that's what you mean by
| | + 136034 [jimburton1 g] +1. Personally I have a stronger bias towards free software than to
| | | + 136038 [george.mosch] Even better, you could install your free OS on a super-sexy Sony VAIO
| | | | 136043 [glenn.ruby g] Linus (Torvalds) uses a Mac.  A twin-processor G5 I believe.
| | | + 136044 [rob.02004 gm] +1. I believe supporting free software is in the interests of our
| | | + 136045 [perails sezn] I'm really sorry, if I sound that I'm trolling or something. It's hard
| | + 136051 [mailing-list] Good point.  However, what I think Paul is mainly talking about are
| | | + 136070 [batkins57 gm] I don't think it had much to do with sloppiness.  A lot of David's
| | | | 136080 [snail objmed] <batkins57@gmail.com> writes
| | | | 136094 [james_b neur] Nah; might just be a spell of blogorrhea.
| | | | 136113 [snail objmed] <james_b@neurogami.com> writes
| | | | 136119 [joaopedrosa ] The whole IT has an attitude problem -- an attitude that leads
| | | | + 136121 [petite.abeil] Cheers
| | | | | 136130 [snail objmed] <petite.abeille@gmail.com> writes
| | | | | + 136137 [jfh cise.ufl] I think this is closer
| | | | | | 136544 [chneukirchen] ri instance_eval
| | | | | | 136962 [martindemell] LOL! Worth wading through the thread for the odd laugh :)
| | | | | + 136138 [jonraphaelso] Still one more step: Sell the bloddy hell out of the thing. Whether it
| | | | + 136129 [snail objmed] <joaopedrosa@gmail.com> writes
| | | + 136139 [rob.02004 gm] Just to let everyone know - you do have a choice when it comes to
| | | + 136140 [probertm acm] I am not so sure of that ...
| | |   + 136142 [rasputnik he] But they don't 'wield them', do they? Not unless they're the size of king kong,
| | |   | + 136151 [probertm acm] Taken an axe to them is close :-)
| | |   | | 136187 [rasputnik he] [ on as-400s ]
| | |   | | 136194 [probertm acm] I liked the old one: Real computers are black and have blinking lights.
| | |   | + 136309 [sera fhwang.] Talking more theoretically: It does matter. Most software is a process,
| | |   |   136579 [rasputnik he] I've submitted a few patches to Rails, and I did'nt have to create them in
| | |   + 136146 [lucsky mac.c] "A lot of early coverage of the Mac Mini compares it to desktop PCs, or
| | |     136152 [probertm acm] Excellent!  Though still a little big and expensive for my microwave oven ;-)
| | + 136063 [cribbsj oakw] Amen!  My neighbor bought a fancy Powerbook running OS X.  I have to go
| | + 136212 [joevandyk gm] There's non-proprietary hardware out there?
| + 136048 [sera fhwang.] I'm a self-professed Mac snob, myself: I'm typing this on a Powerbook
|   136087 [halostatue g] Interestingly, the last time I bought a computer was two years ago. At
|   + 136089 [james_b neur] Think different, but not different from me.
|   + 136114 [snail objmed] <halostatue@gmail.com> writes
+ 136032 [Richard_Dale] I mainly use LinuxPPC on Macs. How many DHH brownie points do I score for
+ 136046 [lopy mysited] Well, I hate *nix. *nix is a virus that unfortunately will be here for
| + 136053 [mailing-list] Well put,
| + 136085 [rhkramer gma] What is the alternative mantra / paradigm?
|   136145 [probertm acm] Have a look at
|   + 136164 [mailing-list] And why are "objects" better than "files"?  A file is an object right,
|   | 136169 [probertm acm] They are not, necessarily.  The original poster simply asked about different
|   + 136173 [surrender_it] sorry, but is'nt winNT based on the everything is a object?
|     136179 [probertm acm] I am not sure, however I seem to recall that it was developed more along the
|     136195 [snail objmed] <probertm@acm.org> writes
+ 136081 [snail objmed] writes
| + 136090 [rasputnik he] You have an opinion which differs from mine! I will fill up a mailing
| | + 136095 [james_b neur] 0r 47 |3457 p057 1n l33t5p34k.
| | | + 136097 [batkins57 gm] My day is ruined.
| | | + 136112 [snail objmed] <james_b@neurogami.com> writes
| | + 136100 [steven.jenki] +1
| | | + 136105 [tom infoethe] TRS-DOS uber alles!
| | | + 136107 [jimburton1 g] It's got to be Plan 9! There's always room in my partition table for
| | + 136115 [snail objmed] <rasputnik@hellooperator.net> writes
| |   136143 [rasputnik he] That's cool, I'm just bitching to the world at large here...
| + 136098 [lucsky mac.c] Utter bullshit. Please grow up.
|   + 136106 [curt hibbs.c] Let's not get personal, this was I was complaining about in my original
|   + 136118 [snail objmed] <lucsky@mac.com> writes
|   | + 136133 [gavri.fernan] of college. Windows at work for almost 3 years now (The full length of
|   | | + 136160 [halostatue g] No. I'm buying a Mac (PowerBook) when I can afford it. I might get a
|   | | | 136545 [chneukirchen] You are free to choose Windows, but you are a lesser developer if it
|   | | + 136231 [dave burt.id] I must say I've been impressed with all I've seen of Mac OS X. The most
|   | |   + 136253 [lucsky mac.c] <sigh> Here we go again... <sigh />
|   | |   + 136311 [sera fhwang.] I have to pitch with just a bit of irresponsible advocacy here. The way
|   | + 136144 [lucsky mac.c] No, these are not facts. These are out-of-context pontifications. This
|   | | 136153 [snail objmed] <lucsky@mac.com> writes
|   | | 136161 [lucsky mac.c] - this place is not the right place.
|   | | 136170 [snail objmed] <lucsky@mac.com> writes
|   | | 136250 [lucsky mac.c] The world is not black and white, the world is gray.
|   | | 136260 [snail objmed] <lucsky@mac.com> writes
|   | | 136310 [sera fhwang.] Then buy a two-button mouse. The vast majority of OS X apps today
|   | | 136364 [snail objmed] <sera@fhwang.net> writes
|   | | + 136373 [jeremy bitsw] But where's the dog going to get out?  He'll dirty the seats.
|   | | + 136377 [rampant gmai] Then you might like to try Apple's no-button mouse, you could use the
|   | | | 136402 [snail objmed] Livingstone <rampant@gmail.com> writes
|   | | | + 136434 [rampant gmai] An old philosophy teacher complained that peoplekept braking things
|   | | | | 136484 [snail objmed] Livingstone <rampant@gmail.com> writes
|   | | | + 136437 [rampant gmai] Sorry, didn't pick this up in my first reply. I picked on web
|   | | | + 136460 [rasputnik he] anyway.
|   | | |   136485 [snail objmed] <rasputnik@hellooperator.net> writes
|   | | + 136429 [pete petta-t] That's making a couple of false assumptions, first that the security
|   | | + 136567 [pbattley gma] First, I should point out that the extended press is entirely
|   | |   136604 [snail objmed] <pbattley@gmail.com> writes
|   | |   136609 [rampant gmai] Not quite as simple as that. The network connection icon acts as you
|   | + 136185 [billk cts.co] three have characteristics I like, and dislike...
|   |   136201 [snail objmed] <billk@cts.com> writes
|   |   136214 [joevandyk gm] Macintosh software is different from Windows software.  Due to the one
|   + 136215 [hal9000 hype] I'll assume that was sarcasm or some for of metahumor.
+ 136147 [david loudth] (I hadn't spotted the cross-posting at first, so here's a reprint for
  + 136150 [ruby-talk wh] What does it mean if a programmer hang glides?  Does it mean that their
  | 136210 [horacio.lope] yeah,  let's lynch them.
  + 136154 [probertm acm] Poor you!  Such sad psycho-babble .. If you are motorhead, it means?  Or an
  | + 136157 [caleb aei-te] Couple into that notion that your major customer, a very large cellular
  | + 136190 [ljz asfast.c] The more of this thread that I read, the more I find myself wondering
  + 136171 [snail objmed] Heinemeier Hansson <david@loudthinking.com> writes
  | + 136175 [david loudth] To me, a person is defined in large parts by their likes and dislikes.
  | | + 136176 [matt technor] Can we all just get back to talking about Ruby?
  | | | 136203 [psm041 ig.co] +1. Let's just talk about Ruby ... better for all :-)
  | | | 136216 [hal9000 hype] Haha... let's table that one.
  | | + 136178 [curt hibbs.c] Well put David! This is exactly what I had hoped you meant in your
  | | + 136184 [ news jay.fm] david@loudthinking.com says...
  | | | 136186 [david loudth] Actually, we have a ton of patches coming from Windows users. But
  | | | 136279 [dom sisna.co] Home, OSX G5 - work Windows XP laptop blessed by company, ubuntu desktop
  | | + 136251 [snail objmed] Heinemeier Hansson <david@loudthinking.com> writes
  | + 136188 [navindra cs.] Personally, I hate Sushi.  Well, I've never eaten nor tasted it...  so
  |   136200 [bg-rubytalk ] Ok, well this is waaaay off-topic, but so is this whole thread, so I'll
  |   + 136204 [rampant gmai] Aah, yes, I've had some lovely smoked salmon from Scotland - nothing
  |   + 136451 [navindra cs.] -1, Offtopic
  |     136508 [sera fhwang.] I've read a number of theories about how this is related to its diet,
  |     136528 [navindra cs.] Here's another theory that seems to think it's not to do with the rice
  + 136234 [lyndon.samso] What is it about IT types that brings out religous discussions like
  | + 136249 [robert.mcgov] I've always wondered, its either editors, languages or OS's and
  | | 136271 [charles.yate] ... toolkit api's, multimedia api's, boot loaders, mail clients, chat
  | | 136273 [lyndon.samso] Ahhhh, but beer's important, now where is Brother Orval...
  | + 136548 [chneukirchen] I think he uses fvwm2, GNU Emacs and teTeX (but correct, he writes on
  + 136314 [sera fhwang.] I find the term "cultural" quite provocative here. Does 37signals have

^ gems for DBI and MySQL?
135874 [mark ociweb.] My apologies for incorrectly posting this on my first try.
135876 [Greg.Kujawa ] You can go to http://ruby-dbi.sourceforge.net/ to download the package, as
135924 [mark ociweb.] Downloading DBI is easy enough.  However, I think I also need a database driver
+ 135957 [vrajmohan co] Please try http://www.tmtm.org/en/mysql/ruby/.
| 135962 [mark ociweb.] I downloaded that and ran "ruby extconf.rb".
| 135987 [vrajmohan co] Sorry, did not realize that you were using it on Windows. Please try
+ 136075 [mneumann nte] The DBD for Mysql is included in the DBI package. But each DBD depends on some
  136088 [mark ociweb.] As posted by Vraj Mohan, the procedure for setting up Ruby access to MySQL under
  + 136092 [khaines enig] No.
  | 136442 [mark ociweb.] This last step is a problem when you've installed Ruby using the one-click
  | 136477 [mneumann nte] ruby setup.rb config --with=dbd_mysql
  + 136093 [mneumann nte] No.
    136174 [usenet andre] Yes, it includes ruby-mysql.
    136266 [mneumann nte] Oh great! Sorry for the confusion.

^ [QUIZ SUMMARY] English Numerals (#25)
135893 [byrd.timothy] When writing numbers using Arabic numerals, we customarily group them
135911 [james graypr] [snip Timothy's nice summary]

^ Syntax sugar idea for loops
135910 [pmak aaanime] I was working with a proprietary programming language called Traction
135917 [Daniel.Berge] I think Enumerable#each_with_index largely eliminates the need for such
+ 135922 [drbrain segm] people.each_with_index do |person, i|
| + 135929 [Daniel.Berge] That'll work, too. :)
| | 135947 [lists bertra] No, it won't. Therefore I proposed my even/odd patch at
| | 135950 [Daniel.Berge] Well, I was assuming that he added the method himself. :)
| | 136002 [lists bertra] Both.
| + 135933 [phurley gmai] And you could of course do something like (hey is this a valid use for
| + 136041 [relm 3tlk.ne] Nope.  Only works if first and last items are unique.
+ 135969 [ruby-ml magi] In data 3/30/2005, "Berger, Daniel" <Daniel.Berger@qwest.com> ha
+ 136019 [bob.news gmx] "Berger, Daniel" <Daniel.Berger@qwest.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
  136021 [lasse.koskel] True, odd and even are rather specific but is that such a bad thing,
  + 136027 [spoooq gmail] Internal and external iterators are equivalent given the existance
  | + 136031 [jonraphaelso] This seems to me like something of what generators are in python, which
  | | 136047 [bob.news gmx] "Jon Raphaelson" <jonraphaelson@gmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
  | + 136213 [hal9000 hype] I wanted to jump into this thread, though my reply doesn't follow
  + 136030 [bob.news gmx] "Lasse Koskela" <lasse.koskela@gmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag

^ any Rubyists want to try Yahoo 360?
135912 [cdbaby gmail] I got some primo invites here for anyone who wants to beta-test
136384 [xtoddx gmail] Hey, I'd love to have one, if any are left!

^ [OT} Need Blog Provider [was Re: Respect and Disappointment]
135914 [curt hibbs.c] I'm going to cc this to ruby-talk in case other's are having the same
+ 135915 [Daniel.Berge] LiveJournal?  Blogger.com?
| 135928 [robert.mcgov] I'd second LiveJournal, I've been using it for 3 years now and its a
+ 135926 [horacio.lope] Typo is more like a full-blown (and complex) content management system
  135930 [horacio.lope] huh, it seems like I misunderstood
  135938 [robby planet] yeah, the other Typo. :-)
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