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135440-137284 subjects 135825-136962

^ gems installation problem
135595 [amitraok gma] I am having problems installing gems.

^ rake with net/ssh = problems?
135597 [samuel_x_win] The net/ssh code below works fine in irb, but dies when inside a rake
+ 135598 [vjoel PATH.B] How does this work in irb? What does "out.stdout" do?
| 135602 [samuel_x_win] shell = session.shell.sync
+ 135633 [jim weirichh] [... example elided ...]
  135635 [samuel_x_win] Given the size of FileUtils, seems like such a top-level inclusion (is
  135637 [jim weirichh] True.  Its definitely a tradeoff.  In the 2 years that rake has been around

^ ruby 1.8.2  + dev-utils/debug + ^D  or ^Z
135600 [itsme213 hot] I was using dev-utils/debug breakpoint with ^D (EOF) to resume after the
135608 [flgr ccan.de] First of all: This is outdated. There's now a stand-alone
135656 [itsme213 hot] That was it. Both 'exit' and ^Z<Ret> work from a breakpoint/irb.
135672 [flgr ccan.de] irb(main):001:0> [RUBY_VERSION, RUBY_PLATFORM, RUBY_RELEASE_DATE]
135697 [itsme213 hot] Ah, that part was apparently due to my shell (not the standard command.com).

^ Ruby / AstroSpeak
135606 [ news jay.fm] I've been reading the Pickaxe, and creating a few sample apps in rails,
135643 [james_b neur] Wouldn't that be "Rastrospeak"?
+ 135648 [eliahhecht g] I suspect the rule is only meant to apply to initial consonants or
| 135693 [wyhaines gma] Nope.  If there is no consonant at the start of the work, R us simply
+ 135684 [ news jay.fm] says...

^ ANN: KirbyBase 2.0
135610 [jcribbs twmi] I would like to announce version 2.0 of KirbyBase, a small, pure-Ruby,
135626 [agorilla gma] Having read the docs, I love the api for it.  Very cool stuff :)
135630 [jcribbs twmi] Currently, no.  The default is ascending.  However, if there is a need
135634 [agorilla gma] No "need", just like to explicitly declare things when I can.  I seek
135683 [Daniel.Berge] Please do two things for me.  First, please create a zip file that

^ [ANN] Syck 0.53 -- unstable ruby+yaml gettin stronger
135614 [ruby-talk wh] I know it's only been a day since the last release... but what a day!

^ [ANN] KirbyBase 2.0
135616 [jcribbs twmi] Sorry for the re-post, but the first one didn't seem to go through properly.
135618 [botp delmont] //Subject: [ANN] KirbyBase 2.0
135624 [jcribbs twmi] Not at this time, but, if you look at the structure of a KirbyBase table

^ (none)
135631 [adelle bulle] Being able to create constants at run-time using Object.const_set is neat

^ [QUIZ SOLUTION] English Numerals (#25)
135636 [phurley gmai] well. It supports using and and commas -- the and has a significant

^ Re:
135639 [glenn.parker] It is actually Module.const_set, and there is also Module.remove_const,
135649 [neoneye gmai] irb(main):003:0> Object.const_set(:C, 42)

^ $6.00 to $20,000 in 4-6 weeks.* Legal Home Business!!!
135645 [1DAMNYANKEE ] Internet Home Business

^ zip a directory, unzip a zip file
135653 [itsme213 hot] I have a directory that I want to compress/uncompress using any or zip,
135661 [langstefan g] Look at archive-tar-minitar. It's available on RAA and as a RubyGem.
135671 [ts_news1 son] Or try my rubyzip (http://rubyzip.sourceforge.net). It's available as a
135701 [itsme213 hot] Does rubyzip directly support zipping up a directory into a file, and vice
+ 135716 [halostatue g] It uses the .tar format, but Archive::Tar::Minitar does.
| 135909 [itsme213 hot] Perfect! Thanks, austin & thomas.
+ 135807 [ts_news1 son] Nope, but maybe I should add such methods :-)

^ Ruby FCGI website by Tatsuki Sugiura (place to find patches to ruby-fcgi 0.8.5)
135654 [nospam nospa] It is a good place to find patches to fix issues in ruby-fcgi 0.8.5.
135685 [wilkesjoiner] I get a 403 Forbidden error when accessing this site.
135889 [karlin.fox g] ...

^ Problem with gems behind a corporate firewall
135657 [glenn.ruby g] Not sure if this is something that can be sorted by gems or is a
135662 [botp delmont] //Not sure if this is something that can be sorted by gems or
+ 135664 [glenn.ruby g] Sounds like I need to talk to our technical support people.
+ 135666 [mirko lilik.] Couldn't this be done, as an improvement, with a "Cache-control" header

^ Re: remove_const
135659 [adelle bulle] Thankyou both.  That's working perfectly!

^ Please tell me what this means? self.<method> in a class
135667 [glenn.ruby g] Not entirely sure I understand this (it's a newbie-ruby question).
+ 135668 [dcorbin mach] The self.foo method definition is redefining Test.foo.  It's kind of a
+ 135669 [dblack wobbl] def some_object.some_method
  135670 [glenn.ruby g] Ah.  That's what confused me.  I couldn't find it in pickaxe2.
  + 135673 [bob.news gmx] - Preferably use "self" instead of the class name in order to minimize
  + 135813 [B.Candler po] ...

^ net/http question
135676 [kanvas75 web] def ret
135678 [aamine lover] require 'net/http'

^ SSL session id context in WEBrick
135679 [magnus bodin] I have what I believe is a strange OpenSSL-error in WEBrick: When doing

^ SOAP Server WSDL generation
135687 [phurley gmai] I have successfully (not that it was at all difficult) setup a ruby
135762 [bitserf gmai] ActionWebService in Rails does WSDL generation (RPC-style).

^ [ANN] Ruby-GetText-Package-0.8.1
135694 [mutoh highwa] Ruby-GetText-Package-0.8.1 is now available.

^ FreeBSD Rubyists? Do Remote Objects work for you?
135699 [mileskeaton ] Looking for any Ruby users on FreeBSD.
+ 135703 [rasputnik he] Yeah, fine here (yesterdays stable on client and server).
| 135704 [brianm apach] Works fine for me as well under 5.3 and ruby 1.8.2 from ports.
+ 135719 [probertm acm] Worked fine on my FreeBSD (5.3-RELEASE) with ruby 1.8.2 (2004-12-25)
+ 135765 [mileskeaton ] Thanks for the replies, guys.     I've spent about 12 hours on this so
  135773 [probertm acm] Your problem is in here, somewhere, I would think ;-)
  135775 [mileskeaton ] I would have thought so, except that everything else in DRb works
  + 135777 [drbrain segm] I had a similar problem, the server was connecting back to a client on
  + 135815 [B.Candler po] It would :-)
    135816 [B.Candler po] Oh, and one other thing: the client side machine will read its own system
    135872 [mileskeaton ] Oh... my.... god.

^ attr :<symbol>?
135708 [goseigen com] What is the proper term for things like attr :<id> and belongs_to
+ 135709 [glenn.ruby g] A similar thing has just been discussed on the RubyOnRails list, and
+ 135710 [glenn.ruby g] A similar thing has just been discussed on the RubyOnRails list, and
| 135729 [flgr ccan.de] class Meta
| 135730 [binkley alum] What is the difference between these two approaches?
| + 135736 [halostatue g] Florian's will only work on Ruby 1.8 or later and avoids some of the
| | + 135737 [binkley alum] Being new to Ruby, what sorts of concerns?
| | | + 135739 [phurley gmai] I would take a stab, that minimally "public data" (e.g. web
| | | + 135746 [ptkwt aracne] 1) security.  What is someone malicious code that gets eval'ed?
| | |   135761 [glenn.parker] 3) editing.  If your editor understands Ruby syntax, it will highlight
| | + 135738 [phurley gmai] So does there exist (as I cannot find it) a way to access @@vars via
| |   135749 [flgr ccan.de] No, probably because they are not supposed to be used too frequently.
| + 135741 [ptkwt aracne] The second approach would generally be considered 'better'.  eval must be
+ 135711 [johnwilger g] You're absolutely correct that they're just class methods. In Ruby
| 135712 [goseigen com] That's what i was thinking.  So anything in between class Foo ... end
+ 135713 [phurley gmai] I am not a Ruby expert (yet :-), but the first thing to realize is
+ 135822 [timsuth ihug] They are simply methods.

^ Re: Great Computer Language Shootout
135715 [igouy yahoo.] We've made it somewhat easier to contribute programs.

^ Re: open files in a dir then gsub all of them?
135720 [ezra yakima-] charset=US-ASCII;
135742 [billk cts.co] ruby -i~ -pe 'gsub(/foo/,"bar")' *.baz

^ Rake newbie needs help
135722 [bugmenot wor] I've read the rake docs online and I've got a very simple rakefile to work.
+ 135725 [tilman code-] Because rake doesn't see the need to invoke the "newzip.zip" task.
+ 135728 [jim weirichh] Let me rewrite your Rakefile and then talk about the changes ... I think
| 135745 [bugmenot wor] Thanks Jim (and thanks for the tool). I've made changes to my rakefile and
| 135891 [bugmenot wor] Found the problem. My bad. I assumed *.rb would catch *.RB and of course it
+ 135731 [langstefan g] task :default => ["newzip.zip"]
  135734 [langstefan g] Sorry. Should be: FileList["*.rb", "data/*.dat"]

^ [ANN] FastCST 0.6.5 (Mergerific Indexer Release)
135727 [zedshaw zeds] Just announcing yet another release of FastCST to the world: version
135732 [zedshaw zeds] Thanks.

^ IMAP + SSL hangs
135733 [lucas lucas-] I have a problem when using net/imap with openssl.

^ [QUIZ SOLUTION] English Numerals (#25)
135735 [byrd.timothy] The writeup is coming later.  For now, here is my solution.
135769 [mailing-list] [QUIZ SOLUTION] English Numerals (#25)

^ Implementing COBOL style number formatting (Was: Any guides for good coding in Ruby?)
135743 [ jupp gmx.de] From Arfin's question on formatting numbers I conclude that there is a
+ 139612 [jlsysinc all] This would make an excellent addition and possibly foundation for Ruby
| 139625 [jim freeze.o] Hmm, could this be emulated with a wrapper around BigDecimal?
| + 139637 [alex verk.in] In the office I have a little something to parse or generate
| + 139645 [jlsysinc all] Certainly.   It's only practical purpose would be to automatically keep
+ 139651 [michael.camp] Looks good.
  139903 [ jupp gmx.de] According to my COBOL tutorial (I currently don't have a COBOL

^ Gateway(?) spamcop.net issue
135744 [mailing-list] neutron.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE is listed in spamcop.net's database as a source

^ Re: attr :<symbol>
135747 [james_b neur] James prefers Florian's way for real-life usage.

^ typical application structure
135750 [joevandyk gm] Is the typical rails application structure like the following?  (For a
+ 135751 [james graypr] $ rails my_app
| 135755 [joevandyk gm] What the...
| 135756 [james graypr] Okay, I'll try again.  :)
+ 135758 [drbrain segm] README

^ rake help
135754 [probertm acm] I have just started using the excellent Rake tool (thanks, Jim!) and I am at a
+ 136181 [jim weirichh] solved this already, but I'll post for the general education of all Rake
| 136192 [probertm acm] Many thanks, Jim.  First, Rake is excellent!  There is one part of the
| 136292 [jim weirichh] Rules can be based on more than just file extensions.  The target can be a
| 136423 [probertm acm] rule( '.exe' => [
+ 136198 [sroberts uni] This is a little off-topic, but you might find that GNU make has had a

^ CodeStatistics
135767 [james graypr] Quick question:  What package/gem installs the CodeStatistics object
136026 [david loudth] David Heinemeier Hansson,
136079 [james graypr] Thanks much.
136182 [david loudth] If you dig into it, I'd love to see it as a generic Rake task. Just

^ instiki question
135768 [joevandyk gm] I've got a document on a network drive that I want to share on our
135774 [joevandyk gm] I've tried "link name":\\shared_drive\directory\another directory\note
135780 [assaph gmail] directory\note

^ Open letter to anyone developing a Ruby IDE
135770 [adelle bulle] It has been said that features like "intellisense" or "autocomplete" are
+ 135778 [mailinglists] The difficult thing is not really gathering of information. It is the
| + 135783 [vfoley gmail] I don't know if people who develop FreeRIDE, ArachnoRuby or other
| + 135789 [drbrain segm] Uh....
| | + 135793 [vfoley gmail] Unless I'm misunderstanding what Lothar is saying, there's no way to
| | + 135794 [mulperi cc.h] Lothar probably forgot that arachno ruby has this feature already 8).
| | + 135796 [mailinglists] Unfortunately this is not what people expect, at least when they come
| | | 135803 [drbrain segm] Have you used Readline tab completion in irb?  It is far from useful,
| | | 136475 [csaba phony_] irb-completion-enhanced.rb
| | + 135798 [drbrain segm] Also, this[1] or something similar could probably get you those hints
| | | 135805 [news.home.nl] It would be nice to see this somehow integrated in IDE's, but this still
| | | 135809 [drbrain segm] From Chad's description, I believe that is correct.
| | | 135810 [mailinglists] But unit tests sometimes use other objects (Mock classes) then the
| | + 135819 [jussij zeuse] Zeus for Windows uses ctags as it's source of tags information
| | + 135838 [zedshaw zeds] Weird, I was just working on this problem this morning in the index
| + 135797 [adelle bulle] I'm writing code against an ORM layer, so the attributes of my object
+ 135821 [timsuth ihug] How do you know which class is associated with a particular variable?
| 135830 [demerzel gma] What about the IDE doing eval("a.methods")? Won't that cover the
| + 135834 [flgr ccan.de] What if a is `rm -rf /`? It might not always be possible to execute code
| + 135843 [james graypr] But you need to execute the entire program right down to the line where
|   135849 [demerzel gma] Yeah, I realise that. Thanks!
+ 135824 [rob.02004 gm] I've got *naive* method completion working in a development version of
  135829 [itsme213 hot] What a nifty and simple heuristic! How well has it worked so far?
  135832 [rob.02004 gm] It works. Obviously the more unique method names are, the better the
  135848 [news.home.nl] Very nice, can't wait to test this. :)

^ Helpers in Rails
135771 [vacindak gma] Ok, so, I have a method that I need to use in several models and two
135776 [pnmale0 bidw] I have run into the same problem.  I'll give you two ways (that I can

^ Getting process status
135781 [joevandyk gm] If I have the id of a process, how can I get a Process::Status object for it?
+ 135782 [joevandyk gm] Actually, what I'm trying to do is create an application that will be
+ 135787 [ruby-ml magi] Calling Process#wait should set $? which is the Status object
  135792 [joevandyk gm] That's not quite what I asked for.  I have the pid of a specific
  135799 [bitserf gmai] On Linux at least, you can send signal 0 to determine whether a
  135855 [Daniel.Berge] It works on all platforms, including Windows (with Ruby 1.8.x).

^ Blah-Blah List (and why line counts are a bad metric)
135784 [bg-rubytalk ] So, I did a search for Ruby on Rails today, and my interest was piqued
+ 135785 [hal9000 hype] A chuckle? Call it a belly laugh followed by a small tear in the
| 135913 [chaotrope jp] I thought you people might get a chuckle
| + 135961 [michael.camp] Very much perl code can be considered obfuscated by running it through
| + 136316 [adrianh quie] Stunnix has an.... erm... interesting attitude to the world. His
|   136337 [adrianh quie] Or, alternatively, I could have fallen for the April Fool joke running
+ 135786 [james_b neur] I have a (probably unrealistic) hope that the Rails/Java sniping can be
| 135788 [hal9000 hype] It doesn't bother me greatly as long as it's not cross-posted.
+ 135817 [mailing-list] Not to mention all the xml-files that seem to litter this project tree.
+ 135818 [snail objmed] Giddings <bg-rubytalk@infofiend.com> writes
| 135837 [navindra cs.] Firefox is being a bit stupid.  It's just a Java source file, not even
| 135839 [peterreilly ] The site is an https site with an unthrusted certifiate, which  firefox
+ 135831 [chneukirchen] At first I thought, "wow for Java(!) this is really concise... only 10

^ Re: [Rails] Helpers in Rails
135791 [vacindak gma] What if I have both class and instance methods in my module?

^ [USENET] - Time for "comp.lang.ruby.announce" ?
135806 [ilias lazari] I've noticed a high ammount of announcements ("[ANN]") on this group.
+ 135854 [Daniel.Berge] I wouldn't necessarily mind it.  That, or a comp.lang.ruby.packages
+ 135902 [sera fhwang.] Personally, I'd be fine if we _didn't_ have a separate announce group.
| 135903 [robert.mcgov] +1
| 136056 [chneukirchen] +1, but a newsgroup (or Gmane mirror) of all messages matching /^\[ANN\]/
| 136076 [sera fhwang.] I think this is the sort of thing that PubSub is good for. I just made
| 138947 [sera fhwang.] You can get an RSS or Atom feed giving you all ruby-talk postings with
+ 136208 [ryand-ruby z] As much as I hate to agree with this guy, I'd love to have this list
| 136221 [billk cts.co] Just FWIW, I counted up [ANN] headers (omitting Re:plies)
| 136241 [surrender_it] to me it is a little thing which is almost unvaluable. If the split
+ 136239 [ilias lazari] I've read in some answers wonderfull acronymes and processes of how to
| + 136243 [martin.anker] I strongly dissagree to make any decision based on prestige. Either do
| | 136248 [ilias lazari] Prestige is a nice side-effect.
| | 136295 [halostatue g] Aha. There's the problem.
| | 136320 [ilias lazari] of course.
| | 136338 [rampant gmai] End of thread?
| | 136344 [ilias lazari] yes, for now.
| + 136294 [halostatue g] You know, I haven't been on a Usenet newsgroup in two years. I'm
|   136481 [csaba phony_] In fact, there is no longer usenet as such.
+ 136351 [sastph sas.c] I'm surprised that throughout this entire thread nobody thought to ask
+ 136369 [ jupp gmx.de] According to a quick statistics 1.5% of all messages are announcements.
+ 136464 [ilias lazari] [from several answers in this thread]

^ [OT]Re: Java for Rubyists
135808 [nicolas.dels] I think I may be a good evangelist for that ;-)

^ Poor efficency of Ruby...
135820 [spamerom nie] I have prior experiency with php and recently pythonic application servers
+ 135823 [david loudth] If you read further posts from the author of that comparison, you'll
| + 135827 [spamerom nie] Is it not strange? CGI PHP works quite fast. CGI adapter for pythonic
| | + 135828 [robert.mcgov] Works well enough.
| | | 135946 [spamerom nie] Tnx. I will try again with mod_ruby.
| | + 135836 [halostatue g] There is no problem with Ruby and CGI (or much of anything else).
| | | + 135842 [khaines enig] IOWA can be used via plain CGI adequately.
| | | | 135846 [halostatue g] Um. Neat, but not quite what I meant ;)
| | | | 135853 [khaines enig] Ah!  I thought you simply meant without the use of fastcgi or mod_ruby, and
| | | + 135939 [spamerom nie] I sth do not understand. Did I really execute Rails through CGI??? I
| | |   + 135941 [batkins57 gm] CGI is merely the protocol your web browser is using to communicate
| | |   | 135948 [spamerom nie] The basic philosophy of CGI is to execute for every request interpreter of
| | |   | + 135949 [joaopedrosa ] Do you know about FastCGI?
| | |   | | 135966 [spamerom nie] Yes, I know. But what about my question? Where am I wrong? Even classic cgi
| | |   | | + 135971 [billk cts.co] How does it perform without Apache involved?  Can you run the program directly
| | |   | | + 135972 [david loudth] There's no connection between the CGI gateway and the ./script/server.
| | |   | |   135975 [spamerom nie] As I can see, Rails is *not* an application server, as someone mentioned.
| | |   | |   + 135980 [joevandyk gm] That's correct.
| | |   | |   | + 135982 [rampant gmai] Which serves an application :)
| | |   | |   | | 135984 [jimburton1 g] which doesn't make it an application server (not on this side of the
| | |   | |   | | 136018 [surrender_it] on tyhis side of the mirror application server is a buzzword and
| | |   | |   | + 135988 [spamerom nie] Now I understand! It may be a reason why any Python (or Java) application
| | |   | |   |   + 135991 [ruby-ml magi] The next version of ruby is meant to be bytecode-interpreted;
| | |   | |   |   + 135992 [henryso pani] I'm afraid that you don't really understand.  Rails is an application.
| | |   | |   |   + 135998 [halostatue g] This is incorrect. Python scripts that aren't run as .pyc files will
| | |   | |   |     136007 [spamerom nie] No. Python *automatically compiles* every imported module. It is the
| | |   | |   |     136037 [batkins57 gm] Er.  Not true.  When you load a file in Python, it is interpreted and
| | |   | |   |     136061 [spamerom nie] This is *not true*. Did you check it? I bet you don't.
| | |   | |   |     136074 [batkins57 gm] You are indeed correct.  My mistake.  I have never actually written
| | |   | |   + 135997 [halostatue g] To be specific, I said that Rails is *like* an appserver. Not that it is.
| | |   | + 135983 [acharlieblue] interpreter of
| | |   |   135989 [spamerom nie] No, FCGI does not make it an appplication server. It is faster only because
| | |   + 135974 [drbrain segm] Yes, you really did execute Rails through CGI.
| | + 135857 [rasputnik he] Yeah, but a CGI tomcat would be a bit sluggish. What's your point?
| | | 135880 [michael.camp] This is starting to sound more troll-ish by the second; "I really WANT
| | + 135882 [aredridel nb] Comparing apples to oranges.
| | | + 135900 [jeremy bitsw] I profiled Rails + CGI when I was starting out.  RubyGems accounts for
| | | + 135932 [none none.ne] Mmh, I think you have got you fruit mixed up in the wrong bowl :-)
| | |   135954 [aredridel gm] If so, I feel it fails (hence, I use Ruby). But that's just trollish.
| | + 135892 [mailinglists] Ummm....
| |   + 135894 [Greg.Kujawa ] Joining in on this a little late, but there is a binary version of this.
| |   + 135943 [spamerom nie] OK. So what is started after "ruby.exe scripts/server"? It looks like
| |     135945 [batkins57 gm] There is a server written in Ruby called WEBrick.  When you run
| + 135840 [skaes gmx.ne] I always assumed that would be the case. It is, however, not entirely
+ 135833 [jimburton1 g] Ruby != Rails - your question is about poor efficiency of Rails.
+ 135935 [none none.ne] Mike Watkins is the one who published the figures, without really
  135942 [spamerom nie] You guys must be supersensitive. I have nothing against ruby. I try to
  + 135944 [batkins57 gm] Iwan was referring to a weblog post, not to you.
  + 135956 [joevandyk gm] Iwan wasn't talking about you, he was talking about Mike Watkins, as
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