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124180-125970 subjects 124607-126013

Net::HTTPResponse extracting name=value from "set-cookies"
124455 [buanzo@bu nz] ...
124466 [glenn.parker] input = 'KEY1=VALUE1; Path=/, KEY2=VALUE2; Domain=.somedomain.net; ' +
124476 [buanzo@bu nz] ...

Ruby X10 Software
124460 [jim@we ri hh] My gadget gift for Christmas this year turned out to be a X10 Firecracker kit.
+ 124464 [rich@in oe h] It will probably not surprise you that I am into X10 stuff with Ruby too.
| 124478 [Bil.Kleb@NA ] And tell Mike Clark about it, so he'll blog it.
| 124491 [jim@we ri hh] I think Mike reads this list (at least occasionally), so he may know
| 124548 [mike@cl rk a] I'd certainly appreciate that, Jim.
+ 125128 [hal9000@hy e] No loss from me, because my code never worked. :/  Actually I think my serial

Revival of RubyInRuby?
124461 [mneumann@nt ] Dear Rubyists,
+ 124471 [ryand-ruby@z] We've got a fairly good start w/ our ruby2c translator. The long term
| + 124475 [mneumann@nt ] That's great news. Very similar to what I thought. But I don't see a
| | + 124483 [ryand-ruby@z] I wasn't planning on making a bytecode step. The system is architected
| | + 124498 [rff_rff@re o] note that also koichi sasada (the YARV guy) is planning to provide a c
| |   124499 [mneumann@nt ] But remember that koichi's ahead-of-time compiler is quite different.
| + 124497 [mneumann@nt ] Is the source somewhere available? I can't find it on the rubyforge
|   124555 [ryand-ruby@z] Not yet no... but SOON! We have one more round of private review
+ 124472 [lists@za a. ] Btw, I'm not following PyPy or the Stackless project. Have they produced
  124474 [rff_rff@re o] the main implementation is not stackless, but stackless is working and

>>>HOW TO TURN ?3 INTO ?10,000 USING PAYPAL<<<
124465 [noone@no pa ] THIS IS LONG WINDED BUT WORTH IT, I WAS SHOCKED WHEN I SAW HOW MUCH MONEY CAME FLOODING INTO MY PAYPAL ACCOUNT??

[Tk] TkPhotoImage question
124467 [email55555@g] It seems to me that the usage of TkPhotoImage is not like others Ruby/Tk ...
124482 [nagai@ai ky ] ":subsample=>'5 5'" cannot be acceptable, because each value

Ruby Weekly News 20th - 26th December 2004
124473 [timsuth@ih g] A little early this week as I'm leaving the country tomorrow for a short

Web programming, need really good reference.
124480 [clarke@qu li] I have started a large project (currently php/mysql) but at this early
+ 124481 [se@di it le ] I don't know anything about Xitami, but so I guess you don't know
| 124493 [Bil.Kleb@NA ] And go through the todo tutorial on http://rails.hieraki.org/
+ 124485 [jamesUNDERBA] How might you describe "definitive reference"  and "web based environment"?
| 124513 [clarke@qu li] In a word, yes.
| 124541 [george.mosch] Check out Nitro: http://www.rubyforge.com/projects/nitro.
+ 124533 [bob.news@gm ] "Bob" <clarke@qualitythink.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
  124540 [jamesUNDERBA] Some alternate takes on MVC
  124542 [bob.news@gm ] "James Britt" <jamesUNDERBARb@neurogami.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
  124544 [jamesUNDERBA] It's interesting the number of articles that may do a very good job of
  124546 [bob.news@gm ] "James Britt" <jamesUNDERBARb@neurogami.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag

qtruby: updating widgets' display
124484 [rb@ra hi ou ] def create_tab_widget
+ 124604 [Richard_Dale] It's difficult to know what's going wrong without seeing the full context in
+ 124605 [Richard_Dale] It's difficult to know what's going wrong without seeing the full context in

ruby-gimp dead?
124486 [x4@da is h. ] I was looking for a ruby gimp plugin, but the latest version

Win32 problems
124487 [chr_mail@gm ] I failed to compile ruby 1.8 on win32 (for mswin32.mingw & cygwin
124488 [decoux@mo lo] See [ruby-talk:123332] and [ruby-talk:123401]
124506 [chr_mail@gm ] Thanks, I figured that removing the old ruby installation from the

nttp<-->http test
124489 [crf@sb x. u-] from the funny-things-people-do-with-Ruby dept.
+ 124492 [aredridel@nb] Nicely made!
| 125050 [crf@sb x. u-] Thanks! and to the few who mailed comments - and 2 (new) bugs were found, too.
+ 124494 [crf@sb x. u-] Forget about your browser back/reload buttons, just follow the offered links.
  124503 [tim@ba es id] I ran into problems when I clicked the "export .newsrc file" link -

Namespaces, inverted
124490 [eero.saynatk] Apologies if this topic has already been beaten to death.
124579 [vjoel@PA H. ] I like the idea very much, but there are some difficulties...
+ 124669 [eero.saynatk] I see you caught my use of 'module' there.
+ 124671 [bob.news@gm ] "Joel VanderWerf" <vjoel@PATH.Berkeley.EDU> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
  124681 [vjoel@PA H. ] Wrapping is a nice idea (see raa:script for one approach), but the
  + 124682 [eero.saynatk] Agreed. It just looked better :) I suppose a top-level method
  | 124707 [bob.news@gm ] "E S" <eero.saynatkari@kolumbus.fi> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
  + 124853 [bob.news@gm ] "Joel VanderWerf" <vjoel@PATH.Berkeley.EDU> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
    124865 [eero.saynatk] module Test
    124889 [bob.news@gm ] "E S" <eero.saynatkari@kolumbus.fi> schrieb im Newsbeitrag

The RedCloth-3.0 regexp stack overflow: Copland manual
124495 [Bil.Kleb@NA ] So I was following up on converting our FUN3D manual
124501 [jamis_buck@b] Bil,
124517 [Bil.Kleb@NA ] What!?  It's not under a http://damagecontrol.codehaus.org/ build?  ;)
124518 [jamis_buck@b] *blush* I'll get right on it. Sir. :)
124521 [Bil.Kleb@NA ] Hmmm. The ol' "works for me" deal, eh?  Da_n.

writing to unix socket
124496 [roelandmoors] I'm trying to create something that writes to a socket.
124505 [mfuhr@fu r. ] A write fails with EPIPE if the peer has already closed its side
124532 [roelandmoors] It looks more like the connection isn't ready yet. Is this
124549 [mfuhr@fu r. ] If nobody's listening on the socket then connect() should fail with

Ri bug in new 1.8.2 release
124502 [jim@fr ez .o] I just installed 1.8.2 on OS X. All looks ok so far, but I
+ 124516 [james@gr yp ] Hmm, just to confuse the issue "ri String" works fine on my OS X box
+ 124525 [Dave@Pr gP o] Seems to work on my OSX box here. Do you perhaps have an old String
| 124543 [jim@fr ez .o] If I do, it is not in any visible path.
| 124547 [jim@fr ez .o] rdoc --all --ri-system <install-dir>
| + 124550 [jim@fr ez .o] The reason it is failing is because the comment
| | 124592 [Dave@Pr gP o] Is the timestamp on that file consistent with all the other files in
| | 124664 [jim@fr ez .o] The timestamp appeared ok, but after I deleted the String directory
| | 124700 [Dave@Pr gP o] Sounds like there was simply a spurious file lying around. Glad it's
| + 124551 [Dave@Pr gP o] The documentation for built-in classes is in the source for those
+ 125640 [cameron.mcbr] OK, I just got this same error.  ruby 1.8.2 on linux (somewhat updated
  125643 [cameron.mcbr] To add a little information, I did find a 'File' directory in the
  125721 [cameron.mcbr] After coming back with a fresher mind, it does seem to be a simple

Rubygem 0.8.3 not working with 1.8.2
124504 [jim@fr ez .o] I just installed rubygems 0.8.3. The install appeared to
124536 [chadfowler@g] It looks to me like you've been bitten by a 0.8.3 install bug.  Could
124545 [jim@fr ez .o] That did the trick Chad. Thanks.

[PATCH] Long-Standing Bug in the Readline extension
124508 [brent@mb ri ] The Readline uses the the GNU readline library's event handling hook
124510 [nobu.nokada@] It would have to return immediately if rb_thread_critical is
124514 [brent@mb ri ] I'm not sure what "it" refers to here.

[PATCH]  Fixes for rb_thread_critical bugs
124511 [brent@mb ri ] I recently was involved in trying to get a multi-threaded ruby motion
124529 [matz@ru y- a] Thank you for the proposal.  Nonetheless, it should be posted to

>>>DO NOT LISTEN TO PAYPAL POSTS<<<
124512 [donotlisten@] DO NOT LISTEN TO PAYPAL POSTS!

Breakpoints on 1.6.8? (was: Re: [PATCH] Long-Standing Bug in the Readline extension)
124519 [flgr@cc n. e] Sorry to be off-topic, but this got me interested. Is breakpoint.rb
124522 [brent@mb ri ] I don't know if it's working "correctly", but it is functional.
124524 [flgr@cc n. e] Ah, that's good to know. :)
124527 [brent@mb ri ] I extracted continuation.rb and binding.rb from the (ponderous?)

DEFT Transposition Keyboard
124526 [skearney@ac ] This NG is one of the few places where the Dvorak has been discussed.

[ANN] One-Click Installer 1.8.2-14 rc11
124528 [curt@hi bs c] This release of the One-Click Ruby Installer for

[ruby-gnome2] Objects that doesn't destroy?
124531 [davinciSINSP] I think I have a problem with ruby-gtk2 and objects that does not

webrick refresh on event
124534 [roelandmoors] I'm using webrick to display some logging.
124554 [dan@ep rk ab] I'm new to webrick but I think this will work. You can leave the

[ANN] Nitro 0.7.0 + Og 0.7.0
124535 [george.mosch] a new version of Nitro was just released.
124598 [raphael.baud] .../../lib/nitro/server/shaders.rb:156:in `require': No such file to load -- xml/xslt (LoadError)
124599 [george.mosch] thanks for trying the blog example. As this example uses XSLT you have
124656 [jamesUNDERBA] Does this install and run on Windows?

[ANN] Tar2RubyScript 0.4.2
124537 [pan@er kv en] Tar2RubyScript 0.4.2 is out!

[ANN] RubyScript2Exe 0.3.0
124538 [pan@er kv en] RubyScript2Exe 0.3.0 is out!
124552 [sdate@ev re ] Absoultely smashing !
+ 124553 [pan@er kv en] "Cannot be hacked" is impossible: Everything can be hacked.
+ 124557 [mailinglists] If you do a groups.google search in this newsgroup with my name and
  + 124585 [sdate@ev re ] Yes, I remember reading it a while back and was aware of the situation
  + 124586 [sdate@ev re ] Yes, I remember reading it a while back and was aware of the situation
    124602 [mailinglists] I'm not very good in reading license texts so i might be wrong here.
    124608 [chneukirchen] 2. You may modify your copy of the software in any way, provided that
    124639 [flgr@cc n. e] However it is usually easy to go back to source code from the eval tree.

[ANN] AllInOneRUby 0.2.0
124539 [pan@er kv en] AllInOneRUby 0.2.0 is out!

Bare-bones Ruby
124556 [ANDRE.LEIRAD] This is my first submission to the ruby-talk list. I've been using Lua
+ 124558 [ehames@gm il] Ruby does not support multiple inheritance but provides a very neat
+ 124560 [jeff@op nd m] Should be a good introduction to embedding the interpreter in your C
| 124600 [bob.news@gm ] "Jeffrey Moss" <jeff@opendbms.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
+ 124561 [gfb@to es ft] Get yourself a copy of "Programming Ruby" (Pickaxe) by Dave Thomas and
+ 124564 [rff_rff@re o] most of the modules are pure ruby extensions or C extensions that can be

split on '' (and another for split -1)
124562 [transami@ru ] class String
+ 124565 [angus@qu va ] ["trans.  (T. Onoma)" <transami@runbox.com>, 2004-12-27 20.31 CET]
| 124566 [transami@ru ] Boy, that's a real side-splitter! Watch me slap my knee! ;)))).
| 124568 [transami@ru ] Okay, I looked up what your were trying to explain to me. Sigh, it makes it
| 124571 [transami@ru ] $/ = :paragraph
+ 124570 [flgr@cc n. e] AFAIK there is no way of supplying the separator in that case except
  + 124573 [transami@ru ] At least one can set the $/ before hand, I guess.
  + 124580 [transami@ru ] I didn't see it off hand. Which RCR # is it?
    124587 [flgr@cc n. e] At the time I submitted it there was not much request for it. If that

Missing(?) method 'retrieveItem' in class FXList with FXRuby 1.2.2
124563 [Stephan.Kaem] I just made the step from an older 1-click-installer to the latest one,
124572 [lyle.johnson] Thanks,

Paragraph mode (was: split on '' (and another for split -1))
124567 [angus@qu va ] ["trans.  (T. Onoma)" <transami@runbox.com>, 2004-12-27 22.25 CET]
124569 [transami@ru ] Thanks, Carlos.

[ANN] DBus/Ruby 0.1.9
124574 [bitserf@gm i] this is a feature release, the main change is support for service
124575 [bitserf@gm i] woops,

rindex with regexp
124577 [transami@ru ] Using rindex with a regexp would appear to undermine greediness.
124578 [matz@ru y- a] rindex is as lazy as me not to seek longest match.
124581 [transami@ru ] lol :)

Checksum bad again ?
124583 [Meino.Cramer] [2004-12-25] by maki
124589 [matz@ru y- a] The 8ffc79d96f336b80f2690a17601dea9b is the right one.  If you get
124590 [Meino.Cramer] Thank you very much for your quick reply ! :)

Gem Auto-Dependencies
124588 [vanweerd@gm ] Is there a flag to auto-install gem dependencies to allow for silent installs?
124611 [david@lo dt ] I'd really like that as well. On top of the option to silence RDoc
124634 [se@di it le ] Yes, that would be great. While we are at it, I would like to have an
124649 [rff_rff@re o] and, while we're at it.. could we have "uninstall"  also have an alias
124696 [tobias.luetk] yes | gem install rails

Ruby Philosophy
124591 [rubylang@us ] I'm trying to get a feel for the philosophical differences between Smalltalk,
+ 124593 [rff_rff@re o] just my two eurocents: I try to learn Smalltalk[0] from time to time,
| 124698 [rubylang@us ] [ . . . snip . . . ]
+ 124594 [nospam@no pa] Growth can be measured in a number of ways.
| 124650 [rff_rff@re o] notice that there are books that do not have ruby in the cover but use
| 124654 [premshree.pi] Measuring a language's performance is a difficult task. ML posts and suchlike.
| 124658 [rff_rff@re o] The tiobe index system is (in my little worth opinion) strange in many
| 124663 [premshree.pi] No idea what this "-tv" option is. I think I should ask the TIOBE
| + 124666 [rff_rff@re o] nothing important, I just recall a name like your and I have the feeling
| + 124749 [zoso@fo on e] Perhaps it's just a way to try to filter out TV programming (as opposed to
|   124750 [premshree.pi] Yes, you're right. I racked my brain trying to figure out what that
+ 124595 [    s@xs .d ] Ruby feels like Smalltalk without IDE. To make up for that loss, you get
| 124699 [rubylang@us ] [ . . . snip . . . ]
+ 124601 [r_mueller@im] 1. for Smalltalk, you mentioned stagnation of the community: a fact, true or
| 124701 [rubylang@us ] [ . . . snip . . . ]
| 124703 [r_mueller@im] That's why I avoid using an IDE: to many things in the background I don't know
+ 124610 [joaopedrosa@] At least the word philosophy matches with Ruby. Ruby is that language
| 124623 [bob.news@gm ] "Joao Pedrosa" <joaopedrosa@gmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
+ 124769 [vanweerd@gm ] Versus Smalltalk, the impression I get is that Ruby is file-based with

Best ways to accelerate Ruby's popularity
124596 [nospam@no pa] I think Ruby's popularity is growing, but I can't help but wonder what
+ 124597 [eustaquioran] I'm reading, learning and writing some stuff about Ruby now. I think this
+ 124603 [mileskeaton@] I agree that as I was getting into Ruby, one of the big turn-offs was
| 124631 [dblack@wo bl] Whoops -- I seem to have accidentally archived the submit form along
| 125048 [nightphotos@] Thanks for all the great work you, Chad, Rich, and others have been
+ 124606 [neil@ha ub .] Why, what do you hope to achieve?
| + 124616 [transami@ru ] How ironic that your quote essentially contradicts you.
| | + 124621 [ruby-lists@l] actually i find it ironic that u find irony in something
| | | 124739 [nospam@no pa] the definition of the word 'hype'.
| | | 124790 [ruby-lists@l] i'd love to see (iii), with a format of docs that i like.
| | + 124651 [neil@ha ub .] That's only true if you think people who like C++ and Python are evil.
| + 124632 [stesch@no sp] That way it would be more likely to be able to use Ruby at work.
| + 124661 [mailinglists] More people means more project and more extensions.
| + 124734 [nospam@no pa] I hope to avoid encountering the "you can't use Ruby on this project
+ 124614 [lists@za a. ] More O'Reilly books please :-) There are currently 30 or so (or is it
+ 124652 [rff_rff@re o] I think this is really a worthwhile goal.
| + 124659 [mailinglists] I hope we do not - at least with the current ruby development process.
| | 124660 [rff_rff@re o] good point, thank, I thought it *was* stable.
| | 124662 [mailinglists] It should. I was very surprised that extensions now
| + 124672 [tom@in oe he] Is there a better way to lay out that front page to make stuff like that
|   124674 [premshree.pi] Maybe use a bold, Ruby red color?
|   124675 [tom@in oe he] The problem is that since those are mostly links, they show up in
|   + 124676 [premshree.pi] Damn, you're fast! Much better now, I think.
|   | 124677 [tom@in oe he] Cool, thanks, feedback on RubyForge is always welcome...
|   | 124717 [rff_rff@re o] it is always nice to give some, cause the response is always great :)
|   | + 124723 [tom@in oe he] Sounds good, done!
|   | | 124761 [rff_rff@re o] definitely, you rock :)
|   | + 124802 [ben.branders] I'm a relative new user to Ruby, and to programming in general. A long
|   |   + 124824 [braempje@ne ] Have you tried <http://poignantguide.net/ruby/>? My conclusion is that the
|   |   | + 124826 [rff_rff@re o] well, they're linked from the "more.." element in the documentation
|   |   | | + 124831 [braempje@ne ] I was wondering exactly the same, I really can't read Chinese or Japanese (a
|   |   | | | 124851 [rff_rff@re o] actually I was thinking of french or italian or german :)
|   |   | | + 124839 [premshree.pi] Though it doesn't make *that* big a difference, I think the Ruby
|   |   | + 124830 [ben.branders] Yes. I tried that. It's one of the guides I actually liked. :-)
|   |   |   + 124832 [jamesUNDERBA] Do you know about www.ruby-doc.org?
|   |   |   | 124842 [zdennis@mk e] I don't like how ruby-doc.org's front page is set up. I hate the
|   |   |   | + 124843 [jamesUNDERBA] Thanks for the feedback.
|   |   |   | | 124855 [curt@hi bs c] Great... I'm glad to hear it!
|   |   |   | | 124875 [jamesUNDERBA] I'm always open to suggestions, and user feedback is important to help
|   |   |   | | 124877 [zdennis@mk e] I am very thankful and grateful for the site as well. And I use it all
|   |   |   | + 125257 [timsuth@ih g] Just to agree with Zach here...
|   |   |   |   + 125266 [jamesUNDERBA] They're basically going away.  When the site started there was more news
|   |   |   |   | 125269 [trevor.andra] The reason I came to ruby was that it had regular expressions like perl so
|   |   |   |   + 125370 [polyergic@gm] I agree with those suggestions, but my problems with ruby-doc.org are
|   |   |   |     125394 [botp@de mo t] //> I think Ruby lacks a good beginners guide. A guide that
|   |   |   + 124856 [jason.sweat@] I liked it also...and the cartoons were hard to follow for a native
|   |   + 125343 [unet@re x. o] long
|   |   + 125344 [unet@re x. o] explains
|   + 124678 [zdennis@mk e] Tom,
|     124679 [tom@in oe he] FWIW, there's a new theme available now; if you log in and go to "My
|     + 124694 [transami@ru ] Of course, it probably wouldn't hurt if RubyForge was written in Ruby rather
|     | 124695 [tom@in oe he] It's worse than that - it's in PHP!  Argh!  :-)
|     + 125025 [halostatue@g] Nice theme, but the "RubyForge" logo looks bad on it.
|       125028 [tom@in oe he] Yup, we need a new logo for that theme...
+ 124653 [Bil.Kleb@NA ] Read and reflect upon ??Crossing the Chasm?? by Moore and
+ 124752 [ jupp@gm .d ] 1. DGDATAT
| + 124757 [rubylang@us ] You have a point.  Comments from Slashdot posters is what motivated me to look
| + 124765 [transami@ru ] I think that kind of goes without saying though. But take the point about the
|   124957 [ jupp@gm .d ] Of course there is *much* else to do than only writing software. I
+ 124767 [vanweerd@gm ] I'd like to see http://www.ruby-lang.org/en cleaned up to immediately
| 124771 [rubylang@us ] <disclaimer>
| 124778 [jamesUNDERBA] Rather than comparisons to other languages,  it would be better to offer
| + 124784 [mark@th -b n] ...
| + 124785 [mark@th -b n] I just learned Python a few months ago when I started a new job.  One
| | + 124787 [braempje@ne ] Certainly! I have been looking for such an introduction when I first tried
| | | 124800 [rff_rff@re o] well, the more the merrier. If you'd write it, I'd provide a translation ;)
| | + 124789 [martindemell] Another great beginning-to-intermediate level book is Practical Common
| + 124967 [vanweerd@gm ] These are good points.
|   + 124980 [tamc2@ca .a ] So, who runs ruby-lang.org (en) and how can we help them improve it
|   + 124983 [ruby-talk@kl] I assert that the programming environment may be more important in attracting new users than features of the language.  I suspect
+ 124783 [jonasgalvez@] Python programmer and advocate, but I've gotta say I'm really sold
| + 124799 [rff_rff@re o] well, provide us with notice whenever you'll do that
| + 128768 [w_a_x_man@ya] Go to this Perl forum: http://www.tek-tips.com/threadminder.cfm?pid=219
+ 127081 [bg-rubytalk@] Here's what web-related things I would suggest to accelerate Ruby's
  127100 [vjoel@PA H. ] I like it. It would reduce the number of ruby bookmarks one needs to
  127162 [bg-rubytalk@] are out there.  Even I know that I'll find Python at python.org, Perl at
  127180 [matz@ru y- a] It's no harm to ask them.  I had tried for ruby.net before, but the
  + 127187 [halostatue@g] ruby.info is "for sale" ...
  | 127256 [glenn.parker] Ugh, whoever is "selling" this, it's a scam.  You can't even make an
  + 127191 [bg-rubytalk@] Thanks for spotting my email.  (I was afraid that by replying in a
    + 127203 [curt@hi bs c] While it true that it can't hurt to ask, the lack of hits in your search
    | 127218 [bg-rubytalk@] Right, but do a google search for "hibbs.com", within the first few
    | 127245 [curt@hi bs c] Interesting! Well, its worth a shot!
    + 127207 [ruby.talk.li] Perhaps I've skimmed too much or otherwise missed part of this thread,
      127228 [bg-rubytalk@] I don't know how you can quantify its value, but I'd say it definitely
      + 127230 [eustaquioran] I'm writing a basic tutorial (almost 100 pages right now), on Portuguese.
      + 127232 [ruby-talk@wh] <http://redhanded.hobix.com/cult/rubyorgMockup.html>
      | + 127244 [curt@hi bs c] I just posted a comment on you mockup page, but I want to repeat  it here
      | | 127246 [zdennis@mk e] I agree.
      | + 127248 [neoneye@gm i] very nice why.
      | | 127251 [bg-rubytalk@] Wow, I can't tell you how much more I like that than the current
      | | 127265 [neoneye@gm i] Hehe.
      | | + 127283 [jamesUNDERBA] What's striking is that this design does nothing to address the main
      | | + 127331 [snail@ob me ] Strandgaard <neoneye@gmail.com> writes
      | |   127333 [jfh@ci e. fl] I know I'm getting into this late, but how about if each module came
      | |   + 127339 [jamesUNDERBA] Well, they sort of already do, as ri data comes via rdoc'ing the source
      | |   + 127340 [rasputnik@he] Damn right. I really miss this, and since I've started picking up my
      | + 127255 [rff_rff@re o] too many people saying 'great' so I'll try to say "bad" :)
      | | + 127267 [ruby-talk@wh] First of all, alot of your comments are concerned with left vs. right
      | | + 127315 [zimba.tm@gm ] I think it's cool to have community-driven websites,
      | |   127353 [bg-rubytalk@] I think this is a good idea, if all the sites shared a common header of
      | |   127360 [dblack@wo bl] I wouldn't want to think that a Ruby site I created would necessarily
      | |   + 127369 [bg-rubytalk@] Ok, maybe not "trustworthiness", but maybe "officialishness", or
      | |   | + 127409 [rampant@gm i] ...
      | |   | + 127428 [jamesUNDERBA] Hmm,  That seems to describe most Ruby sites right now.  Maybe not so
      | |   | + 127674 [dblack@wo bl] Yes, but I see them differently :-)
      | |   |   + 127681 [jamesUNDERBA] I don't see this as Utopian at all.  Most of the discussion on site
      | |   |   + 127984 [bg-rubytalk@] Ok, well maybe the problem is different then.  Maybe the problem is that
      | |   |     + 127987 [navindra@cs ] As someone who's been lightly dabbling with Ruby recently (and is not
      | |   |     | + 127995 [jamesUNDERBA] Which RubyCentral docs?  RubyCentral.com has a links on the front page
      | |   |     | | 128001 [navindra@cs ] That's what I meant to say in the last sentence above.  I still use it
      | |   |     | + 127998 [joaopedrosa@] Yes, but the Japanese folks that take care of the core of Ruby do a
      | |   |     | + 128012 [jim@we ri hh] Actually, if you consider Java, incompatible Date/Time structures with
      | |   |     |   128050 [matju@sy pa ] Actually, if you consider Java, incompatible int/Integer structures with
      | |   |     + 128027 [curt@hi bs c] Yes, yes, yes... I couldn't agree more!
      | |   |     | 128062 [rasputnik@he] Seems to me everyone agrees the site needs a bit of work (fixing broken
      | |   |     | 128084 [jamesUNDERBA] No, not at the moment.
      | |   |     | + 128085 [rasputnik@he] I'd say so - it's all user doc, isn't it?
      | |   |     | + 128202 [vanweerd@gm ] That might work out well. Then the leaders behind the various sites
      | |   |     + 128748 [Ian.Hobson@n] <bg-rubytalk@infofiend.com> writes
      | |   |       + 128755 [rampant@gm i] Can you get plain Ruby files to load?
      | |   |       + 128763 [ruby-lists@l] it takes one windows user to do some work.
      | |   |       | + 128764 [travis@gs es] The Rolling on Rails article that was posted on O'reilly was great, it's
      | |   |       | | 128766 [ruby-lists@l] how difficult would it be to make a single .zip file
      | |   |       | + 128774 [rff_rff@re o] curt hibbs and (IIRC) kent sibilev are working on this.
      | |   |       | + 128783 [curt@hi bs c] I'm working on it.
      | |   |       + 128778 [dblack@wo bl] Apparently the word hasn't gotten out.  We're gaining new users every
      | |   |         + 128785 [jamesUNDERBA] One indicator of the growth in Ruby's user base is the rise in the
      | |   |         | 128862 [rampant@gm i] That would be me :)
      | |   |         | 128878 [jamesUNDERBA] But to be fair, if new users are having a problem, then it's Ruby's
      | |   |         | + 128898 [sdate@ev re ] I can relate to Douglas's feeling. Right after I joined this mailing
      | |   |         | + 128942 [hal9000@hy e] I think it's just a case of "the larger the population, the more
      | |   |         + 128926 [Ian.Hobson@n] No insult was intended to anyone, and I was not trolling. Apologies if I
      | |   |           + 128929 [ruby-lists@l] couldn't you just use webrick?
      | |   |           + 128974 [zdennis@mk e] Set the environment variable for TMPDIR, TMP or TEMP, for your Ruby
      | |   + 127424 [jamesUNDERBA] The idea of some sites being "official" ,while others aren't, difficult.
      | |     + 127431 [curt@hi bs c] I can't quite figure out where you stand from these comments.
      | |     | 127435 [jamesUNDERBA] Generally speaking, a common look can reduce confusion, to some degree.
      | |     | 127442 [rampant@gm i] Which is what is happening at the moment, lots of sites which are hard
      | |     | 127449 [jamesUNDERBA] I have to say this is the first time I've ever heard anyway suggest that
      | |     | 127454 [rampant@gm i] I guess you're starting to get a new type of visitor then :)
      | |     | + 127456 [wenn0029@tc ] Agreed.  I regularly prefer the Ruby documentation in the Pragmatic book
      | |     | + 127461 [jamesUNDERBA] Well, there ya go.
      | |     |   127463 [rampant@gm i] <rant>
      | |     |   + 127504 [jamesUNDERBA] Rant duly noted.
      | |     |   | 127514 [rampant@gm i] Douglas
      | |     |   + 127519 [james@gr yp ] While I think many of your points are valid, this one is not.
      | |     |     127529 [rampant@gm i] It would be sensless to have documentation without making it clear
      | |     + 127438 [rampant@gm i] True, branding and linking are both things which are important. The
      | |       + 127440 [rampant@gm i] Quoting my own message, but that link in itself is a problem. At first
      | |       + 127452 [jamesUNDERBA] Good points, though nothing that will be solved by re-styling a page.
      | |         127462 [rampant@gm i] What are your ideas here? How does it compare to your vision for ruby-doc?
      | |         127502 [jamesUNDERBA] Designing for the novice has the potential to create assorted artifacts
      | |         127538 [tanner.burso] Well I guess it's my turn to throw down on this subject.  I am what
      | |         + 127687 [tom@in oe he] Good times!
      | |         + 127718 [jamesUNDERBA] If and when there is a generally-accepted single-page template for the
      | + 127262 [bg-rubytalk@] As usual, why, you're amazing.  I think the design is great.  Some of
      | + 127280 [kig@mi fi in] * Good job!
      | + 127330 [snail@ob me ] <ruby-talk@whytheluckystiff.net> writes
      + 127236 [rasputnik@he] Well, couldn't that be done with the ruby-lang.org domain? All we need is
      | 127263 [bg-rubytalk@] Yup, and I think that's a good step, but I don't think they should be
      | + 127284 [contact_us@h] I agree with last James statement. People should be encourage to create
      | + 127285 [lgalea@gm so] As a recent adopter of Ruby I've gone through some of the pain of finding ruby
      | | + 127287 [rampant@gm i] Are there non-frames versions of these pages?
      | | | 127291 [jamesUNDERBA] The code comes from rdoc, using the (standard? default?) framed view.
      | | + 127288 [jamesUNDERBA] Duly noted.
      | | + 127289 [docboobenste] One thing I find even more important are published papers
      | + 127294 [kig@mi fi in] Is there a way to access a class documentation at a certain method
      |   127335 [jamesUNDERBA] Not at the moment.  Those doc pages are generated from rdoc, and the
      |   + 127337 [rasputnik@he] How abitrary?  I found http://wikalong.org the other day, thought it was
      |   | 127342 [jamesUNDERBA] Hey, this looks quite neat.  Downside is that it requires a  specific
      |   | 127351 [kig@mi fi in] Something like this?
      |   | 127422 [jamesUNDERBA] Yes, that's a good approximation of what I had in mind.
      |   + 127430 [kig@mi fi in] a) adding an extra degree of indirection (ie. search)
      + 127249 [ruby.talk.li] Define "documentation" and "Ruby projects."
      | 127260 [bg-rubytalk@] On closer inspection, that is the only thing that isn't arguably
      | 127279 [jamesUNDERBA] Serving from the same machine is one thing; servicing requests when the
      | + 127295 [zdennis@mk e] Add an 'A' record to the dns for ruby-lang.org which points
      | + 127296 [rasputnik@he] Yeah, you could do it with a vhost and mod_rewrite on the main ruby server,
      | | 127299 [jamesUNDERBA] I'm extremely leery of any attempt to consolidate things.  It just
      | + 127357 [bg-rubytalk@] Right, but it would all be the same machine.
      |   127423 [jamesUNDERBA] What is the "it" that would all be on the same machine?  The DNS
      |   127434 [bg-rubytalk@] Sorry, I wasn't clear.  The DNS configuration would be on whatever
      |   127436 [jamesUNDERBA] Ah, that's sounds interesting.
      + 127323 [snail@ob me ] <bg-rubytalk@infofiend.com> writes
        127364 [nospam@no pa] As a former user of a Commodore computer, have you already forgotten
        127389 [snail@ob me ] <nospam@nospam.nospam.nospam.nospam.org> writes
        + 127425 [tdgrmsn@gm i] Python went through this discussion about a year ago (and probably many
        + 127429 [tdgrmsn@gm i] Python went through this discussion about a year ago (and probably many
        + 127473 [martindemell] The Acorn Archimedes made the same mistake - I'd have loved an Arc, but
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