122279-124019

^ ParseTree 1.2.0 Released
122279 [ryand zenspi] ParseTree version 1.2.0 has been released!
122289 [sstephenson ] This looks exciting. I can't wait to install the Gem.
122326 [ryand-ruby z] Go for it. I look forward to your feedback.

^ Ruby documentation.
122288 [afabian aust] I'm kind of getting the impression that Ruby might not be
+ 122290 [dblack wobbl] Welcome to Ruby :-)
| 122294 [dga lcs.mit.] Buy/rent/borrow/beg the pickaxe book.  The class reference at the end is
| 122304 [jd nospam.co] I have a hardcopy of pickaxe 2nd edition (by Dave Thomas) and think it
| 122311 [transami run] For Ruby 2 and Pickaxe III, I'd really like to see a high quality Hardback
| 122467 [pragdave gma] You you pay $10 more for it? We decided not to go hardcover because we
| + 122489 [mvondung gma] I would. IT books are expensive anyway, so an additional ten bucks
| + 122677 [johnwilger g] I tell you what I'd pay $10-$20 more for is an edition with a
|   122679 [pragdave gma] Wire binding would be nice. In the meantime, PickAxe 2 does have a
|   122685 [johnwilger g] Sadly, that wasn't my experience. :-(  (Don't take that as a complaint
|   122689 [vanweerd gma] I tried it after reading this. I had to press down a bit, to "break it
+ 122300 [nick activeh] I think that may have been the case a few years ago, but I don't think
| 122331 [none none.ne] Although that may be true, I think that the present state of Ruby's
| + 122338 [rff_rff remo] about the Socket stuff. I always wondered why there was documentation
| | 122468 [pragdave gma] That's about it. Be careful though--some stuff has changed in socket
| + 122363 [cameron.mcbr] It is good to realize ruby docs are not on the same level as perl or
| | 122390 [jamesUNDERBA] This sort of hand waving does more harm than good.  Rationalizing the
| | 122414 [cameron.mcbr] Heyo,
| | 122420 [jamesUNDERBA] And I'm sorry if I came off as harsh or dismissive.   I think I was
| + 122384 [nick activeh] Those are good points, and important ones.
|   122399 [jamesUNDERBA] I'm pretty sure that any new source code documentation has been going
|   122451 [gsinclair so] Oops, I gotta update that statement; there's been a few other
|   122455 [jamesUNDERBA] Has anything new in PickAxe II found a place in the core or stdlib docs?
|   122470 [pragdave gma] I contributed _all_ of the core documentation from the initial version
|   122472 [jamesUNDERBA] Many thanks.
+ 122343 [langstefan g] I have got books for Perl in English and German (my native language) but
| + 122353 [johnwilger g] Of course, one of the great things about Ruby is that---after you have
| + 122385 [nick activeh] Regards,
+ 122424 [drbrain segm] The less commonly used a particular library is used, the less likely it
  + 122428 [james graypr] I'm not sure how well that theory holds up.  abbrev is documented, but
  + 122436 [jamesUNDERBA] Thanks Eric.

^ [rdoc] sections-patch
122291 [mneumann nte] # - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
122477 [pragdave gma] I've done something that has the same effect, but which I think is more
122504 [mneumann nte] Great!
122513 [pragdave gma] I'm not sure I see the benefit, but I'm probably being dense today. I
122515 [mneumann nte] I am totally happy with your current implementation. I only thought,
122519 [pragdave gma] You can do that (and the description appears under the section in the
122521 [mneumann nte] Sure. What is even more useful IMO, is the ability to group
122605 [ichlesekeine] yes, sure :)

^ TopLevel Delegate
122292 [transami run] but it doesn't seem to want to "singularize". I've tried the Singleton module

^ [OFF] How to introduce Ruby to more people.
122296 [ruby 3cn.com] Ruby in our country is strangeness,many people even have not hear about it.
+ 122301 [jd nospam.co] Show them example ruby code that uses blocks, iterators and exception
| 122341 [rasputnik he] One cannot make an omelette without breaking eggs -- but it is amazing
+ 122333 [jan spam.spa] Don't try to describe it. No description really captures the beauty and
  122339 [rff_rff remo] I agree with this. BTW I think that one of the best way to show ruby is

^ Ruby + FastCGI + Apache2 + Debian Sarge
122298 [jd nospam.co] Is anyone out there successfully using this setup by using
+ 122317 [jk microgala] This seems to be because of the following phrase in the LICENSE.TERMS of
+ 122321 [    s xss.de] As always I'm not sure about the name, but I see
  122401 [jd nospam.co] Thanks! I have no idea why I didn't spot that in sid when I took a look.

^ * usage
122312 [transami run] I've come across this a few times now and don't understand why its a syntax
+ 122315 [matz ruby-la] Because operators only take fixed number of arguments.  If you want to
+ 122316 [transami run] Sorry, that could be clearer since << doesn't take multiple arguments (too bad
| 122335 [mneumann nte] how about
+ 122410 [flgr ccan.de] Are you sure you don't want to do this?
  122440 [transami run] I'm sure I would ;) I was just pointing out that the other throws a syntax

^ What version of Ruby should I use?
122314 [afabian aust] I noticed the download page has a couple of options, like 1.8.1, or
122356 [james graypr] I'm normally a "go with the latest stable version" kind-of-guy.

^ IRB + Windows + German keyboard = no square brackets
122318 [martin.anker] the square brackets [ and  ]. Even copy & paste from another editor
+ 122322 [    s xss.de] s.
+ 122334 [ryco gmx.net] I *think* that someone already answered that question the last time you
  122650 [martin.anker] Sorry, I though google groups ate my posting because it did not appear

^ [rdoc] file vs. class comments
122337 [mneumann nte] # this is my class
122340 [ruby brian-s] I'd think that it would be enough to include one line in the beginning of the

^ Tk mouse events and keys
122344 [mark ociweb.] I'm using the following code to detect a left mouse click.
122354 [nagai ai.kyu] Please see Tcl/Tk's "bind" manual. :-)

^ [QUIZ] crossword.rb (#10)
122348 [james graypr] 1.  Please do not post any solutions or spoiler discussion for this quiz until
+ 122349 [james graypr] Wow, I'm full of mistakes this week, aren't I?!  Egad!  I promise to
+ 122351 [gavin refine] Is the question in this quiz "Figure out what the quiz is about?"

^ [QUIZ] Crosswords (#10)
122350 [james graypr] 1.  Please do not post any solutions or spoiler discussion for this quiz until
122614 [pit capitain] here's another solution. When I read the quiz my first thought was about using
122620 [transami run] Very intersting approach, Capitain. I had thought something like this would be
122655 [pit capitain] Please call me by my first name, Pit. Otherwise it interferes with the feeling
122751 [Harry_Ohlsen] charset="us-ascii"

^ OT: good chat client?
122359 [itsme213 hot] which one would you recommend? sorry for the noise, but it is primarily for
+ 122362 [michael.deha] I assume you are using OS/2 or Netware?   :)
| 122366 [itsme213 hot] lol!
| + 122370 [nick activeh] I've only been on IRC for about 10 days, but its a great ruby resource.
| + 122375 [rff_rff remo] lots of people hates it but I always found mirc quite good. Simple with
|   122381 [pat.eyler gm] I've been playing with (and enjoying) erc .... it should work anywhere
|   122437 [lyndon.samso] I use Miranda for IM, I'm pretty sure it has an IRC plugin as well.
+ 122364 [cameron.mcbr] Cameron

^ [nuby] about ruby multithreading
122367 [lthiryidontw] Is Ruby multithreading cooperative or preemptive?
122368 [james graypr] Preemptive.
122372 [mneumann nte] Thread.new {
+ 122378 [lthiryidontw] Thanks all,
+ 122394 [drbrain segm] No, system does not block other ruby threads.
  122525 [lthiryidontw] Thanks for the remark... I was a bit confused about my interpretation of
  122551 [drbrain segm] Maybe only on (some) windows builds it blocks?  I no longer have a
  122691 [lthiryidontw] I haven't correcly explained. On my w2k, the sleep command simply
  122729 [drbrain segm] Yes, I know.

^ GC run at end of script execution - order in which objects are claimed?
122371 [tilman code-] when ruby finished executing code, it will invoke the GC to claim all
+ 122373 [decoux moulo] It's like the key for an hash : there is a defined order but you can't
| 122376 [tilman code-] Okay.
| 122383 [decoux moulo] I can *only* give you an example
| 124019 [tilman code-] Thanks, I'll consider jumping through all of this hoops to make it work.
+ 122374 [matz ruby-la] Yes, GC calls destructors (dfree) in random order.
  + 122379 [tilman code-] That would be very hackish IMHO :/
  | + 122409 [matz ruby-la] I'm not sure how much hackish it is.  Basically all resources are
  | | 122423 [glenn.parker] A counter-example would be creating a named pipe, or a shared memory
  | | 122512 [matz ruby-la] I think we are saying same thing.  My "something that can not be
  | | 122529 [glenn.parker] Yes, we are saying the same thing.
  | + 122411 [matz ruby-la] Oh, I got an idea.  How about making a parent free its children
  + 122550 [tpeters inva] In the past, I made use of the end-of-process freeing for testing

^ Newbie question
122392 [CAWilliams c] I'm developing a rails web app here at work and I keep running into
+ 122393 [sera fhwang.] @limit = @params["limit"] || 50
+ 122395 [jamis_buck b] @limit = @params["limit"] || 50
+ 122412 [flgr ccan.de] I'd do something like this

^ Multiple Ensure Blocks
122396 [gjenkins xch] I'm considering raising an RCR: "allow multiple ensure blocks". I've
+ 122398 [jamis_buck b] begin
| 122453 [gsinclair so] If 'puts 1' throws an exception...
+ 122406 [drbrain segm] class Session

^ how to create an object of a class you don't know yet
122402 [todd.bradley] I'm trying to create an object, but which specific class needs to be
+ 122403 [drbrain segm] klass = answer.split('::').inject(Object) { |klass,const|
+ 122404 [sera fhwang.] "new" is just a class method, and you can call class methods on classes
+ 122405 [jamis_buck b] myobj = eval("Foo.new")
| 122408 [todd.bradley] Thanks for all the suggestions, everyone.  I had guessed
| 122413 [flgr ccan.de] It's Module#const_get. Object is a Class and thus a Module and thus
+ 122491 [daneelvt lan] class GMClassManager
  122520 [flgr ccan.de] Using a constant instead would be nicer, I think.

^ *sigh* Anyone having wireless working on a linux machine?
122416 [abe_ml bozem] charset="us-ascii"
+ 122417 [carlwork ycs] Forgive me, but what does this have to do with Ruby?  Did you mean to
+ 122429 [hans fugal.n] They're right, it's off-topic. But there's likely a local linux user's
  + 122439 [jamesUNDERBA] I had a Lucent/Orinoco WiFi card running under RH 7.x a few years ago.
  + 122459 [abe_ml bozem] Thanks for the encouragement - everyone. :-) I'll stick with it another day
    + 122463 [vanweerd gma] I used ndiswrappers to get my wireless lan card working (linksys)  and
    + 122483 [aredridel gm] Y'might be surprised. Go check out the college. There's linux geeks

^ [OFF] RE: *sigh* Anyone having wireless working on a linux machine? (ruby development machine)
122421 [abe_ml bozem] Whoops, sorry, I forgot to mention that a lot of the reason I'm
122422 [michael.deha] * SSH from your Windows or Mac laptop into a non-laptop Linux box.
122461 [ilveroluca n] Try posting to comp.os.linux.hardware or comp.os.linux.misc.  There's been
122507 [michael.deha] My last response on this thread, but I thought I would add...

^ How do you use delegate.rb?
122434 [james graypr] I'm pretty close to having delegate.rb documented, but I want to
122454 [ryand-ruby z] look in tempfile.rb

^ Base64 packing question
122435 [sandspace gm] I'm packing up a file into an e-mail attachment using base64 encoding
+ 122442 [sroberts uni] Not sure why you think that pack wil concatenate the array before
| 122450 [sandspace gm] Thanks. It works now.
| 122465 [sroberts uni] Its got good advice, thats an odd-ball header, and I wouldn't actually
+ 122458 [drbrain segm] The Array in Array#pack is like a C struct, and the argument to pack is

^ [BUG] unknown node type 0
122441 [joe.vandyk b] When I run the following program under Ruby 1.8.2 (2004-11-30) (I think it's
122478 [jamis_buck b] Any chance you could try recompiling Ruby with a different version of

^ Using yield
122444 [joe.vandyk b] I come from a heavy C++ background, discovered Ruby a few months ago and
+ 122445 [sstephenson ] When you want to write methods that take blocks.
| + 122447 [dblack wobbl] You don't need &block there, since you don't use the block directly
| + 122476 [joe.vandyk b] Yes.  What types of methods generally should take blocks?
|   + 122498 [rff_rff remo] [1] those when behaviour can be further specified.
|   + 122548 [billk cts.co] My most recent use of yield is in a tree-structured database,
|     122555 [jim weirichh] This is a very common use of blocks.  You might consider the following
|     122561 [billk cts.co] Nice, thanks !!
+ 122446 [cyclists nc.] I use it with methods that create resources that need to be cleaned up
+ 122464 [dga lcs.mit.] I use it to pass in an additional filtering routine to
+ 122540 [ruby brian-s] Yield is just a shortcut for block.call.
| + 122542 [dblack wobbl] 'yield' is equally explicit, and equally unambiguous.  It tells you
| | 122612 [ruby brian-s] I see it as not as explicit, as it does not document in the method signature
| | 122622 [dblack wobbl] That actually doesn't tell you much, though, in practical terms.  Any
| + 122543 [vjoel PATH.B] Yield has an advantage: rdoc can recognize it and generate docs for it,
+ 122590 [bob.news gmx] "Joe Van Dyk" <joe.vandyk@boeing.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
  122607 [flgr ccan.de] irb(main):022:0> def five_times
  122613 [dblack wobbl] Wouldn't the &block form be more clutter?  Well, not that it's so
  122794 [bob.news gmx] "David A. Black" <dblack@wobblini.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
  122830 [dblack wobbl] n.times {|i| b.call(i) }
  + 122872 [discordantus] I forward blocks a lot in my own code, and wish there was a way to get
  + 122896 [bob.news gmx] "David A. Black" <dblack@wobblini.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
    122917 [dblack wobbl] I think we're talking about different sets of "two idioms", but I see
    122920 [bob.news gmx] "David A. Black" <dblack@wobblini.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
    122925 [dblack wobbl] I think my vague concern about argument parsing has to do with the
    122929 [bob.news gmx] "David A. Black" <dblack@wobblini.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag

^ hide/show items on TkCanvas?
122457 [mark ociweb.] If I have an item on a TkCanvas such as a Rectangle, is there a way to hide
+ 122462 [nagai ai.kyu] Probably, the simplest way is to move the item to out of
+ 122485 [Ephaeton gmx] I don't know Ruby/Tk, but I do know Tk, and the canvas supports this via
  122486 [nagai ai.kyu] You are right. 'state' option is supported on Tk8.3+ (is it right?).
  122488 [Ephaeton gmx] Moin,

^ Selector namespaces in 2.0 ?
122460 [itsme213 hot] Is it likely that Ruby 2.0 will have selector namespaces? If so, is

^ Compile from stable snapshots segfaults
122466 [Meino.Cramer] when compiling the stable snapshot of rub yof the 4.Dec with
122501 [decoux moulo] it's corrected in CVS, retrieve the patch from [ruby-core:03882]

^ "make test" bombs for stable snapshot
122469 [sera fhwang.] I'm trying to build tonight's stable snapshot (as of Sat Dec 04
122502 [decoux moulo] Probably the same here (I've not verified) try with the patch in

^ Possible  opportunity for Rails development
122471 [jamesUNDERBA] I don't think this has come up here before, but Dave Winer is  looking
122473 [sera fhwang.] Are there people saying this could be done in any other language
+ 122474 [jamesUNDERBA] Yes.
| 122518 [sera fhwang.] Oh, for Pete's sake. I actually read that Tim Bray entry when it came
+ 122480 [nightphotos ] Further up on that same page Dave Winer says: "People ask if C# or
  122481 [jamesUNDERBA] But is this true?
  122499 [rff_rff remo] Well, but ruby /is/ slow.. maybe a mixed code solution could fit..

^ Ruby 2.0
122475 [joe.vandyk b] When is Ruby 2.0 due?  Or estimated due date?
122492 [binary42 gma] I will be done as soon as someone makes it. A number of projects are
+ 122493 [binary42 gma] (It* will be done -- typo ;) )
+ 122544 [w_a_x_man ya] 32.times{|y|print" "*(31-y);(y+1).times{|x|print~y&x>0?" .":" A"};puts}
  122549 [flgr ccan.de] 32.times{|y|print" "*(31-y),(0..y).map{|x|~y&x>0?" .":" A"},$/}
  + 122554 [intinig gmai] This really is wonderful, but the most wonderful thing its that I
  | + 122563 [vanweerd gma] What would be "good form" for the sig for production code?
  | + 122604 [flgr ccan.de] 32.times{|y|...}: We are going to output 32 lines and we'll need to know
  |   + 122615 [intinig gmai] Thank you for the wonderful explanation. This was the most difficult
  |   + 122633 [lyndon.samso] Is this an example of a Sierpinski Triangle?
  |     122634 [binary42 gma] Yes.
  |     + 122635 [lyndon.samso] Stay tuned for a mail client written in or with ruby embedded that
  |     | 122742 [usenet plenz] Well, maybe that's overkill. This simple script is as good...  ;-)
  |     + 122636 [transami run] Could we see it any way?
  |     + 122637 [sdate everes] And we (my son and I) are struggling with writing the recursive version
  |     | 122639 [botp delmont] //Stay tuned for a mail client written in or with ruby embedded
  |     | 122640 [botp delmont] //And we (my son and I) are struggling with writing the
  |     | 122709 [shanko_date ] It is very old and not complete but it can get you
  |     + 122664 [mneumann nte] actually a four liner...
  |     | + 122669 [gsinclair so] Running that on Cygwin, I get
  |     | | 122671 [mneumann nte] Probably due to 'display'. The ruby code generates a .pnm image, which
  |     | | 122754 [gsinclair so] But the code doesn't require rmagick, does it?
  |     | | 122796 [mneumann nte] no it doesn't require rmagick. it generates the pnm image itself (and
  |     | + 123029 [news alum.wp] Wow, this is great.  :)
  |     + 122761 [docboobenste] I'd love to see more one-liners. They're a fun way to spread the Ruby gospel :)
  |     | 122763 [botp delmont] //> I am looking into lego robots just to lure them
  |     + 122861 [lispamateur ] You inspired me to another triangle one.
  |       122862 [ruby brian-s] You've got a type in there. It should be require "matrix" not require "Matrix".
  |       122868 [lispamateur ] Yes, it works on Windows, but I changed it for future use. Thanks.
  |       122870 [transami run] ruby -e'require"matrix";a=[1];(1..10).each{|n|print" "*(10-n)*3,a.map{|i|\
  |       122874 [batsman.geo ] ruby -rmatrix -le'a=[1];10.times{|n|print" "*(9-n)*3,"%3d   "*a.size%a;a<<0;a=(
  |       + 122888 [lispamateur ] Optimal once you know the stuff - I'm learning!
  |       + 122890 [lispamateur ] Obvious once you know the stuff - I'm learning!
  |         + 122893 [transami run] Amazing. Is any one making a collection of these?
  |         | + 122899 [dave burt.id] Check the thread [SOT]Signatures and one liners for more sigs. And there's a
  |         | + 122903 [rff_rff remo] I guess we would need to add a link in that page to someone like
  |         + 122911 [batsman.geo ] Nice catch, we save 1 char.
  |           122998 [flgr ccan.de] Small one: (two more chars)
  |           122999 [flgr ccan.de] We're down to 73 now.
  |           123001 [batsman.geo ] (|i|) DUH
  |           123009 [app1tam ups.] I suppose no one else wanted to do this, but...
  + 122556 [dblack wobbl] Does this count as shorter?
    + 122565 [zdennis mkte] This doesn't run on my system....
    | + 122567 [vanweerd gma] worked on mine. OS X 1.8.2 preview 3.
    | + 122568 [billk cts.co] DOS is too dumb to understand single quotes... :(
    |   122573 [binary42 gma] Yes. I could have made it shorter but I liked the simplicity of my
    |   122583 [dave burt.id] I can't get this to run on any of my boxes. ;)
    + 122601 [flgr ccan.de] Nice, not sure if this is officially shorter, but it is something I did