121267-123430

^ Other ORMs [was: rails is awesome]
121267 [sera fhwang.] I think DHH has been fairly clear in targeting ActiveRecord for certain
121271 [ gm navel.gr] is there a similar problem with the Og ORM library? There are no naming
121274 [halostatue g] I don't know. I haven't yet played with Nitro or Og. I was actually
+ 121275 [sera fhwang.] Austin, what DB are you using anyway? Dunno if I caught that in this
| 121276 [halostatue g] My issue is more related to a theoretical mismatch because AR encodes
| 121281 [rasputnik he] And you just found this out?
| + 121282 [halostatue g] No, I've known it for a long time. I just didn't realise until the
| | 121286 [rasputnik he] Sorry, I'm being flippant because I'm creating a db for rails to use, so
| | 121297 [halostatue g] Well, the case that I saw was an external tool being used to create
| | 121316 [david loudth] I recognize that you care deeply about this issue, Austin. So I'd be
| + 121284 [sera fhwang.] Other than the wonky SQL-MySQL compliance divide, are there specific
|   + 121288 [ gm navel.gr] The most annoying thing with MySQL is that various features work
|   + 121291 [samuel.kvarn] Well, since we're among Rubyists, PL/Ruby! :) Besides that, there are
|   + 121293 [rasputnik he] I'm afraid I don't know mySQL that well, so I'm not really the best to
+ 121279 [ gm navel.gr] I think there is no such problem with Og. Why dont you have a look

^ Tk on Mac OS X
121278 [mark ociweb.] I think I've following the instructions at
121301 [nagai ai.kyu] You failed to compile tcltklib.so.
121946 [hramrach cen] Does the tk/ruby in fink package work for you?

^ Block form of 'scan' with one set of parens
121280 [gasman raww.] "<foo,bar> <foo,baz> <foo,blarg>".scan(/<(\w*),(\w*)>/) { |first,second|
121292 [bob.news gmx] "Matthew Westcott" <gasman@raww.org> schrieb im Newsbeitrag

^ FreeRide experience? (especially on MacOS X)
121283 [jamie dang.c] I'm curious about users' experiences with FreeRide, especially on MacOS
121287 [glenn.parker] I played with it for a couple of days (on WinXP).  I'm afraid that, as a
+ 121300 [curt hibbs.c] If you don't mind, could you be more specific about what caused you
+ 121317 [Laurent.Jull] There happen to be a bug in 0.8.0 that caused FR to crash each time
+ 121368 [gsinclair so] irb "crashes" when code throws an exception that isn't caught.  irb

^ C++ help?
121307 [zdennis mkte] I'm not a huge c++ guy, and I'm trying to help w/wxRuby development and
+ 121311 [nightphotos ] Since OnPrintPage is a pure virtual method in wxPrintout, you need to
| 121374 [zdennis mkte] Thank you very much Wayne, this is exaclty what I need to see for
+ 121332 [dave burt.id] You can redefine classes (heck, even individual objects) in Ruby, but not in

^ [ANN] rem 0.0.7 released.
121310 [subterranean] I've just released "rem" version 0.0.7.
121328 [batsman.geo ] * it's based on set_trace_func + SCRIPT_LINES__, right?
121372 [subterranean] I'm grad that you interested in rem :)

^ DLL not found
121312 [bugmenot wor] I'm deploying a Ruby app on Windows that has a number of C extensions that
+ 121313 [curt hibbs.c] The DLL needs to be either somewhere in your path, or in the same directory
+ 121325 [nightphotos ] You could copy the DLL to the Windows directory (typically c:\windows)
  121335 [zdennis mkte] Wouldn't you want to make that "c:/windows/" or "c:\\windows\\" becuase

^ Ruby/DL tutorial
121318 [bjsp123 imap] Would there be any takers if I made a rough English translation of
+ 121324 [michael.deha] Ruby/DL is a feature I plan to use often ... yes, I'd really like to see it.
| 121327 [khowe perfne] it.
| 121344 [sroberts uni] Me, too. I'm planning on using it soon, I think it does what I need, but
+ 121329 [guslist free] Definitly!
+ 121331 [ptkwt aracne] Yes Please!
+ 121334 [dave burt.id] +1
| 121338 [rff_rff remo] takers.succ!
+ 121347 [jd nospam.co] Thanks!  But I'm getting a 403 FORBIDDEN error when I try to look at the
+ 121354 [lucsky mac.c] I have the japanese PDF, and all I can read in it is the ruby code. A
+ 121362 [WayneFChin g] Yes. Pretty, please!
+ 121490 [martindemell] Yes!!!
+ 121525 [bjsp123 imap] Well, that's a lot of takers.  Trouble is, I am having difficulty in
  121527 [byron byrona] 41040.7a4ea886@posting.google.com>...
  121582 [bjsp123 imap] Wow, that's rather impressive... well done google.  Trouble is, every

^ ThreadWait problem
121320 [heron jpl.na] Rubyists,
121349 [nobu.nokada ] Yes, Thread#status returns nil the thread died by an
+ 121385 [heron jpl.na] Thank you Nobu. The patch fixes the problem!
+ 121387 [matz ruby-la] Can you commit the patch?

^ [ANN] DBus/Ruby 0.1.5
121341 [bitserf gmai] version 0.1.5 has been released. this doesn't include any code

^ Ruby + FastCGI + Apache2-mpm-worker
121346 [jd nospam.co] Is anyone successfully using apache2 with mpm-worker with ruby and fastcgi?
121363 [jason textdr] I'm just about to test this out myself on FreeBSD 5.3 and Debian. I
121473 [jd nospam.co] Thanks!  If you want to post some testing scripts, I (and maybe others

^ irb and german keyboard problem
121356 [mailinglists] can someone tell me what i must do that irb accepts german Alt-Gr
+ 121359 [nobu.nokada ] Nobu Nakada
+ 121360 [rff_rff remo] Anyway, I'm not sure if it does for german. For an italian keyboard some

^ Socket#gets and Socket#puts
121364 [james graypr] We really ought to think about documenting the Socket class tree.  :)
121365 [james graypr] Solving a little of my own puzzle here, Socket#gets and Socket#close

^ Ruby GUIs and installation effort
121367 [mark ociweb.] I'm concerned about the state of GUI toolkits for Ruby when in comes to
+ 121370 [james graypr] Amen.
+ 121371 [dross code-e] Complete sense. What we need is an interface to make use of many toolkits
+ 121373 [glenn.parker] One word: wxRuby.
| 121380 [mailinglists] Yes but you still hit the borders of wxWidgets very soon on a little
| 121381 [ruby 3cn.com] I think one GUI system dos not depends others except ruby will bee more flexible.
| + 121383 [lyndon.samso] Here's an idea
| | 121402 [rff_rff remo] I don't really like xml/yaml based gui description, but consider that
| + 121386 [dross code-e] Sure. This type of framework would be more flexible, but what about
| | 121396 [dave burt.id] I disagree that it's unhelpful.
| | + 121404 [rff_rff remo] It seem to me that many people "hate" swing, consider it one of the main
| | | + 121411 [dave burt.id] I'm happy to leave the AWT/Swing debate to c.l.j; suffice it to say my view
| | | | + 121417 [ruby-lists l] not awt. swt.
| | | | | 121450 [dave burt.id] Goes to show I should have left the Java bit alone.
| | | | | 121461 [mailinglists] No it's not. If you want to confirm to apples user interface
| | | | + 121422 [mark ociweb.] This is the state I'm hoping we reach at some point ... a one-click installer
| | | |   121424 [dross code-e] That specific method would mean an insanely huge download. It would
| | | + 121480 [zdennis mkte] Java isn't that slow. We use it for some applicationst that do some
| | |   121500 [rff_rff remo] I agree, I just said that people usually think "mh.. this grey/violet
| | + 121414 [dross code-e] I've to agree with everybody else on this small fact. Swing is slow
| |   + 121446 [dave burt.id] D Burt :What about an XUL-interpreting framework for Parrot?
| |   + 121454 [dave burt.id] What about XUL for user-interface description with closed-source (native?
| |   + 121481 [zdennis mkte] I don't entirely agree here.
| + 121415 [ruby-lists l] impossible. too slow. you would have to write half in c in any case
+ 121418 [ruby-lists l] qtruby installs easily on mac os x and has no dependancy on
+ 121755 [devel nicrea] Did you try RubyCocoa (http://www.fobj.com/rubycocoa/w.en/) ? If OS X is
  + 121774 [mark ociweb.] OS X is just one of my desired platforms. I want to write the code using a
  | 121781 [curt hibbs.c] We *are* working towards this goal. But the road to success is paved by
  | 121800 [mark ociweb.] Which GUI toolkits are targeted to be supported by all of these one-click
  | 121804 [curt hibbs.c] R. Mark Volkmann [mailto:mark@ociweb.com]
  | 121810 [michael.deha] I'm an OS X user as well.
  | 121830 [rff_rff remo] I think it still requires x11 but the shininess is there :)
  + 121823 [mailinglists] Is this still maintained ?
    121828 [ruby-lists l] and doesn't even build on my system

^ rpa weird message
121376 [guslist free] [gus@gusmac rpa-base-0.2.3]$ rpa -v info xmlresume2x
121403 [batsman.geo ] This is believed to be fixed in rpa-base 0.2.3-3.
121441 [guslist free] It definitely does! Thanks for the explanation.

^ proc to method
121390 [itsme213 hot] I have some closure context captured in a proc, and want to create a method
121391 [aengstrom gn] class Test
121395 [bob.news gmx] "Anders Engströí" <aengstrom@gnejs.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
121397 [aengstrom gn] I didn't think that either... but when I ran the code without the
121400 [bob.news gmx] "Anders Engströí" <aengstrom@gnejs.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
121405 [decoux moulo] never trust irb for such thing

^ YAML Problems Clearinghouse (Re: Marshal vs. YAML...)
121392 [ruby-talk wh] Austin, you need not worry.  I'd really rather hear frustrations come
121428 [halostatue g] Well, I know that with Ruby 1.8.1 I couldn't read a 15k YAML file

^ YAML question (hi _why!)
121394 [hal9000 hype] _why,
+ 121401 [bitserf gmai] +1 for this, I've wanted something very similar.
+ 121453 [nick activeh] Hal,
+ 121515 [ruby-talk wh] discussion at all and the clock has struck loudly here: time to continue.
  121518 [hal9000 hype] Bonjour and thanks for the reply!
  121524 [ruby-talk wh] You could certainly use a class method.
  121553 [transami run] Can't wait!

^ prettyprint or pp questions
121406 [hal9000 hype] There are three things I would like to do but I am not
+ 121407 [decoux moulo] PP.pp(obj, STDERR) # or change $>
| 121522 [hal9000 hype] [snip solutions]
+ 121410 [gsinclair so] require 'extensions/object'

^ Email tone (was Re: [Solution] Object Browser (#8))
121413 [dave burt.id] post(<<-END) { assert { seriousness < 1.0 } }
+ 121416 [robert.mcgov] I do like the idea of the Dave, thanks.
| + 121419 [ruby-lists l] ditto. this sort of stuff has caused argument after argument for me
| | 121425 [jamesUNDERBA] Once upon a time, there was no telephone, nor Internet, nor any
| | 121451 [dave burt.id] They actually followed standards of communication known as natural language
| + 121420 [jason.sweat ] ^I do like the idea^ Dave, ^thanks^.
+ 121440 [billk cts.co] I think we could also use a ##dual octothorpe of facetiousness##.
  + 121452 [dave burt.id] Awesome! This is definitely making its way into my writing next chance I
  + 121604 [martindemell] Not to forget the (: smiling parentheses :)
  + 121639 [jamis_buck b] Yah, well, mine's a _vorpal_ octothorpe of facetiousness, _+5_! :)

^ [SUMMARY] Object Browser (#8)
121427 [james graypr] I always wanted to learn more about the reflection capabilites of ruby,
121447 [ruby brian-s] Thanks for the quiz summary. I always wonder where you take the time from.

^ [Q] Catching exceptions at top level
121435 [Laurent.Jull] I have sort of a trivial question here that I'm afraid is so simple
121444 [flgr ccan.de] I think you can just edit the object that is in $!. If you want a
121458 [laurent mold] The problem is that I must leave the original file containing the code
+ 121467 [kjana dm4lab] How about the following?
+ 121494 [eule space.c] catcher.rb   ---------------------------------------
  121578 [laurent mold] This is exactly what I was lloking for and as I suspected when I first

^ Why does this parse?
121436 [michael.camp] Just ran down an interesting 'bug' in my code, but I'm confused as to
+ 121437 [decoux moulo] ruby see it as a block, the last expression will give it the value for the
+ 121438 [sdate everes] if ( x != y || x != z;  y != z  )

^ FCGI.SO for Win32
121445 [sarahtanemba] Does anyone know if there are central repository for Ruby for windows

^ Re: is this an open-uri bug? Solved?
121448 [lindsay_keir] I had this problem. My targeted web page is a bit snitty and insisted on
121449 [lindsay_keir] I had this problem. My targeted web page is a bit snitty and insisted on

^ [RDOC] Using unit-tests as examples for a documentation
121455 [listen marcr] dear list,
+ 121457 [pragdave gma] This has been raised before. The problem is that it's hard to work out
| + 121459 [listen marcr] sorry, I didn't notice that. Don't want to bore the list.
| + 121463 [flgr ccan.de] I'm currently using indentation as a sample code marker in
|   121482 [pragdave gma] I'm not sure what you're asking for here--could you explain at bit
|   121512 [flgr ccan.de] I'm thinking along the lines of a "sample code" icon or something
|   121547 [listen marcr] could you please explain how that syntax would fit into Test::Unit?
|   121568 [flgr ccan.de] I have written a tool that scans such samples out of source code and
+ 121597 [pragdave gma] I've been thinking a bit about this. I'm nervous about imposing my own
  + 121607 [flgr ccan.de] Well, it would just be a style suggestion. There's no reason to enforce
  | 121608 [pragdave gma] Are you talking about sample code or unit tests here. For sample code,
  | 121610 [flgr ccan.de] I'm talking about cases where both are the same thing. (The overlap is
  + 123430 [listen marcr] (hoping your still watching this thread)

^ Meaning of "SOT"? (Was: SOT: FreeRIDE)
121456 [ jupp gmx.de] Lyndon Samson's message has a subject line reading "SOT: FreeRIDE". I
121465 [lyndon.samso] There is probably a FreeRIDE ML that is more appropriate, I was just lazy :-)
121552 [ jupp gmx.de] Hmm, the FAQ seemingly only has a neglectable list of non-Ruby slang

^ No umlauts in irb? (was: irb and german keyboard problem)
121460 [usenet plenz] I also have a question related to german keyboards_ Why does irb
+ 121462 [ryco gmx.net] Same problem here on Win2K, even though I haven't noticed it before
| 121470 [rff_rff remo] same is valid with the italian's accented letters..
+ 121550 [asp16 D-W-I-] I couldn't reproduce (*), and then I realized I have RUBYOPT=-Ku.

^ Review of 'Programming Ruby'
121464 [ tbr no.spam] TechBookReport has just published a review of 'Programming Ruby' by Dave
+ 121495 [robert.mcgov] Nope never heard of it ...
| 121505 [dross code-e] Me either. Please don't mention it though, its advertising. We are
| + 121542 [    s xss.de] I've read it and the "ad" effect is totally lost on me ...
| + 121565 [aengstrom gn] I've read the stories, and I'm still am looking for the 'coorporate
+ 121609 [martindemell] I hadn't heard of them, but they're great :) Thanks for the pointer.

^ Strange rdoc error with :section:
121466 [mneumann nte] I very like the new section feature of rdoc...
121484 [pragdave gma] Wow - I see that too. Must be some new checking added to gsub. Rather

^ oneclick installer, freeride
121468 [snowzone5 ho] anybody NOT developing the oneclick installer or  freeride can skip
121469 [curt hibbs.c] If you can wait about a week, we're currently testing FreeRIDE 0.9.0 and
+ 121472 [snowzone5 ho] and the colour changes?
| 121486 [curt hibbs.c] Sorry, in my haste to answer my emails in between cutting ceramic tiles for
| 121487 [snowzone5 ho] well, 'repeatable steps' are simply clicking on 'debugger' from the
| 121488 [curt hibbs.c] No, that's the bug I said I just fixed in cvs. I meant I can't reproduce the
| 121531 [snowzone5 ho] oops...ok, let me try to nail down the steps as i'm writing this email
| + 121576 [curt hibbs.c] Thanks, I can reproduce this now. Unfortunately, its too late to get fixed
| | 121596 [snowzone5 ho] i was beginning to think it was just me :)
| + 121766 [Laurent.Jull] Actually, simply changing the foreground of the DEfault style exhibits
|   121777 [snowzone5 ho] and from now on i'll check the bug list before reporting anything
+ 121529 [sellberg goo] Will it solve the character problems in irb for non-english layouts?

^ Automated ruby changelog parsing (to report only new changes since last install)
121474 [jd nospam.co] What is the timezone used at ftp://ftp.ruby-lang.org/pub/ruby/
+ 121475 [matz ruby-la] Yes, and it's JST, i.e. +9000.
+ 121477 [dross code-e] Theres actually a bot called CIA that takes requests from the ruby cvs
+ 121498 [mneumann nte] Regards,

^ test/unit runner with ui?
121479 [itsme213 hot] code and needing to drill down into specific tests with logging or
121483 [itsme213 hot] Operator error (though it's a strange error message for a mis-typed test
121502 [sroberts uni] Yes, specify the names of the test functions you want to run on the
121526 [itsme213 hot] That was the first thing I tried, but it still ran all the tests. It could
121595 [nathaniel ta] ntalbott@jacob:~/sandbox$ ruby t.rb --help

^ fastcgi ruby binding ...
121491 [sarahtanemba] does anyone ever get the fastcgi ruby binding working under windows 2000

^ ActiveRecord (1.1) question
121492 [raif swiftds] generated by a Billion firewall/router.  The script, persists the
+ 121493 [raif swiftds] class Attack < ActiveRecord::Base
+ 121497 [david loudth] Try using Attact.connection.select_one("SELECT MIN(occured_on)...")
  + 121508 [han.holl inf] palga=> select min(datont) from main;
  | 121548 [raif swiftds] i'll try that and see if it solves the mysql case.
  + 121884 [raif swiftds] aliasing the aggregate function works with both PostgreSQL and MySQL.