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^ Status of Ruby<->Java Interfaces
115491 [cast_ent yah] I have a Java program that I'd like to access with Ruby, and I'm
+ 115498 [james graypr] I have know experience with any Java <-> Ruby bridges, but sine I know
| 115504 [batsman.geo ] rjb is the only one actively developed atm., so it's probably the best
+ 115518 [ml-ruby thep] Is there any particular reason you can't use the ruby sockets interface

^ Setting the output encoding in REXML
115497 [sera fhwang.] I'm sure this is really obvious, but I can't find it in either the

^ rbconfig.rb problems
115499 [noSpam noSpa] =======================================
+ 115503 [rff_rff remo] my windows ruby version is
+ 115694 [pbrannan atd] "This doesn't work" is not a good error description.  If you mean why

^ London Ruby Group
115501 [kingsley ice] Is anyone who is currently in London interested in meeting up say once

^ [ANN] DNS Service Discovery (aka Rendezvous) bindings for Ruby
115512 [rich infoeth] All,
+ 115529 [rich infoeth] <SNIP>
+ 115755 [mikael phubu] I don't understand how to install it on Linux.  setup.rb is looking for
  115768 [cmills frees] Building on a mac is easy :)
  + 115769 [chadfowler g] I'm not sure why, but I didn't have to make these changes on my redhat box.
  + 115773 [mikael phubu] Thanks, Charlie!  I think the release doesn't build anything but a

^ [ANN] October raleigh.rb meeting
115516 [nathaniel ta] etc., etc.) in North Carolina

^ Request for ERuby, ERB or RHTML syntax coloring for Scite
115517 [joaopedrosa ] I am an avid user of Scite for Ruby editing. One of the first editors
+ 115661 [martindemell] The gtk_rules project looks very interesting! Looking forward to
| 115663 [martindemell] .... if I can find it, that is! The rubyforge page links to an empty
| 115908 [joaopedrosa ] I retracted temporarily from open sourcing it. The reason is that I
| 116113 [martindemell] Okay :) Please do post an ANN to the list when you release it.
+ 115895 [eule space.c] Great to hear that you use the Ruby extended SciTe. There are some bugs,
| 115907 [joaopedrosa ] I thought about merging what SciTe has for HTML with what you have
+ 116279 [eule space.c] You are probably launching yourself into web application programming
  116344 [joaopedrosa ] I agree.

^ how to resume Find.find after a failure?
115532 [pbrannan atd] If a file is unreadable on Linux, Find.find seems to skip it and move to

^ Spammers use Ruby to write evil Spambots ! ! !
115547 [kaisers_sun ] Yes, that's true, they are writing spambots that spam everything, so
115550 [dross code-e] As the moronic slashdotters will say.. rating: (-1, troll)
115587 [martindemell] "my fp program is written in ruby.  i tried to keep it extremely

^ net-ssh help
115562 [carl.youngbl] I'm trying to use net-ssh for the first time and having some trouble.
115638 [jgb3 email.b] Carl,
+ 115647 [B.Candler po] require 'base64'
+ 115712 [carl.youngbl] Thanks for the tips.  I'm not in front of my mac now, but my ruby

^ Ruby screen capture movies via ImageMagick
115567 [Bil.Kleb NAS] Inspired by the videos available on http://www.rubyonrails.org but
+ 115609 [horacio.lope] Not exactly what you're asking for, but maybe it serves your purposes.
| 115665 [islewind gma] Another project to mention is xvidcap / gvidcap, which can compress to
| 115715 [carl.youngbl] All of these technologies are really cool, but they are lacking
+ 115621 [cyclists nc.] Very nice hack! I put a Ruby script that does this with RMagick on
+ 115635 [rff_rff remo] dunno if it helps, but mauricio fernandez has a script to build the
  115655 [batsman.geo ] It's basically http://namazu.org/~satoru/x11rec/  with minor

^ rails vs Java Struts
115586 [armin xss.de] I am working on a short article about rails in German.
+ 115591 [curt hibbs.c] Also, would someone be willing to translate it to English?
| 115593 [armin xss.de] I can try todo that .. no big deal.
+ 115595 [david loudth] One of the first differences is one of kind. Rails has an answer for
  115620 [mmhohman nor] Yes, I wouldn't take Struts to be the shining example of Java MVC
  115622 [david loudth] Sure it does. Instiki uses a Madeleine back-end and is hooked up with
  + 115640 [mmhohman nor] That's good to know. Whatever Madeleine is. : ) I am a nuby.
  | + 115645 [rff_rff remo] a lovely persistence system based on Object Prevalence concepts
  | | 115656 [ mig 1984.cz] Not take snapshots of the whole system in constant periods and store all
  | | 115659 [rff_rff remo] But you would break an assumption of the prevalence theory, and you'd
  | | 115670 [ mig 1984.cz] This implies MySQL is 6000 times faster than Oracle
  | | + 115671 [matt technor] Don't forget, 86.7% of all statistics are made up.
  | | + 115673 [ jimm io.com] No, it implies that MySQL is three times faster than Oracle. (It doesn't say
  | | + 115681 [ehames gmail] Watch your numbers! This implies MySQL is 3 times faster than Oracle
  | |   115686 [ mig 1984.cz] Of course, just kidding :-))
  | + 115649 [david loudth] Indeed, indeed. You want people to reach their own conclusions.
  + 115651 [martindemell] martin
    115722 [charleshixsn] Very interesting, but MSWind only.  So to me it's useless (I can't even
    115793 [    s xss.de] Watch 'em. They're porting the server part to Linux. The switch from
    115867 [charleshixsn] But they say the client end will take much work.  (They did indicate
    115914 [femol terra.] On an a little off the topic, I am trying to compose a web application with
    + 115917 [khaines enig] There is a relative wealth of frameworks for web development in Ruby these
    + 115921 [transami run] It can be done. But it won't be easy in such a short time frame.
      115986 [david loudth] Ha! I'm glad you mention it as it brings up the other nightmare vision
      115989 [jgb3 email.b] However, I assume you'd have no objections to a layer built _on top of_
      116015 [david loudth] Oh, no. That would be great stuff indeed! It's just that the thing

^ [ANN] svn_auto_add
115607 [michael guts] a working copy which svn doesn't know about. In other words: it calls
+ 115618 [jp-www dcs.g] [snip code]
| 115623 [michael guts] Actually it makes a lot of sense... Much more than my approach :-((
| 115627 [jp-www dcs.g] Yeah, I have often found that I've made a complicated script that
+ 115747 [mental gmail] Sorry to break this to you but, svn add --force foo is recursive and

^ Instiki storage crashed
115611 [lenya chemse] It seems that I've lost my wiki as a result of an unexpected reboot. I'm
+ 115619 [david loudth] Instiki keeps a backup for each day. Go to storage/2500 and remove the
| 115658 [markus reali] Generic Good Advice: remove in this context means "move somewhere"
+ 115631 [ndrsbngtssn ] As the author of Madeleine, Instiki's storage engine, I'm very
  115643 [Patrick.Benn] Anders it's pretty easy to reproduce.  Just have someone add something
  115648 [ndrsbngtssn ] Actually, it's not that easy to reproduce. ;)
  115650 [patrick.benn] Ah, actually, it's a marshal load error (I forget the exact code, sorry

^ [QUIZ] Geodesic Dome Faces (#3)
115614 [james graypr] 1.  Please do not post any solutions or spoiler discussion for this quiz until
+ 115718 [jgb3 email.b] Sorry if I'm just dense, but...
| + 115724 [Gavin.Kistne] What's the deliverable for this quiz? I *think* I understand the
| + 115871 [jagenheim gm] Yes, you're not the only one confused. It would be great if there was
|   + 115880 [gavin refine] I can give you that (below, with rounded values to preserve line
|   + 116044 [gavin refine] Well...no one seems to have posted a Quiz solution.
|     + 116048 [flgr ccan.de] I didn't understand the terminology (Not sure if that is influenced by
|     + 116050 [jgb3 email.b] Well, as for me, the Quiz was fascinating enough. The timing was just
|     + 116052 [billk cts.co] I liked (like?) it!  This is the first Quiz that has
|     + 116128 [code joechen] I was out of town... sounds like an interesting problem.
|     | 116162 [justin.rudd ] I'll be honest.  It was over my head :)  I don't have a typical CS or
|     | 116165 [james graypr] Nothing wrong with that.  We'll hit everyone's interests eventually, I
|     + 116242 [Tak somwhere] Your description of the Geodesic face finding algorithm
|     | 116247 [markus reali] *big smile*  It is very like his convex hull example in "A
|     + 116293 [angus quovad] [Gavin Kistner <gavin@refinery.com>, 2004-10-11 03.19 CEST]
+ 115834 [gavin refine] Also, although it will give you no additional help on the programming
+ 116080 [martin.anker] unzip and start depthcue.rb for a simple opengl visualization.
| + 116102 [dennis.ranke] A nice and short solution (I wasn't even aware of the Vector class in the
| | + 116125 [gavin refine] ab.push v * (1.0 / v.r )
| | + 116456 [martin.anker] Uh, I completely forgot this while watching the pretty triangles
| + 116130 [james graypr] I just have to say...  That's nifty!  I'm over here watching the pretty
| + 116229 [gavin refine] Wow...nice work with the OpenGL! (I had to sneak some time at lunch
| | 116298 [james graypr] Just FYI, I viewed the OpenGL example on Mac OS X.  If you want to know
| + 116376 [Becker004 gm] WOW! That is really cool. Good job :)
| + 116562 [bg-rubytalk ] *sob*
+ 116727 [james graypr] For those wondering where the summary for this quiz is, please be

^ A sort_by descending sort
115628 [mlgaunnac ho] charset="iso-8859-1"
+ 115629 [gavin refine] arr = arr.sort_by{ |n| -n.to_i }
| 115632 [mlgaunnac ho] Well,   I was working with longer strings that I had to slice several keys
+ 115639 [rff_rff remo] => [546, 421.1, 23, 6, 2.0, 1, 0.1]
| 115667 [mlgaunnac ho] arr = %W{
| + 115669 [rff_rff remo] ah, I see :)
| + 115672 [discordantus] arr = arr.sort_by do |i|
| + 115836 [B.Candler po] arr2 = arr.sort_by { |i|
+ 115644 [B.Candler po] arr2 = arr1.sort.reverse!

^ parsing data and displaying hex
115630 [raymondpende] I am sort of a novice to Ruby so I will just start out with a
+ 115636 [cyclists nc.] irb(main):005:0> a = [0x03,0x9a]
+ 115696 [discordantus] unpack is easier than it first looks...

^ Problems with my first multithreaded Rupy programm
115652 [heimdall uni] I'm trying to get into Ruby and today it's time for
+ 115666 [markus reali] Try taking the cv.broadcast and the Thread.stop out of the mutex
| 115678 [heimdall uni] But then the waiter puts two item on the table but no drinker takes them
| 115682 [markus reali] I fear you might have; I didn't mean to eliminate them, simply to
| 115695 [heimdall uni] Ah, that's ok. But there were other things skewed up in my code. I
+ 115675 [ser germane-] A couple of things.
| 115679 [ser germane-] Wow.  Google groups really screws up the formatting of code.  Sorry
+ 115676 [ser germane-] A couple of things.
+ 115677 [ser germane-] A couple of things.
  115683 [heimdall uni] Perfect. I'm willing to learn.
  115714 [ser germane-] Google Groups (beta).   I try to not complain too much, since it is a

^ Thank-you letter: RubyConf2004
115653 [ko1 atdot.ne] I backed to Japan with no trouble :)
+ 115662 [rff_rff remo] thanks for this.. and very impressive results!
+ 115717 [chadfowler g] Thank you, Koichi!  It was an honor to meet you and to listen to your talk.
  115765 [botp delmont] very impressive. can't wait for the nxt version...

^ Ruby and Visual C++
115657 [Becker004 gm] Is there a way to use Ruby in my Visual c++? Not for graphics but just

^ [ANN] PageTemplate 1.0
115668 [brianwisti y] <Insert witty Monty Python quote about how PageTemplate's not dead,

^ Problems running rails with WEBrick
115680 [dcoleman cha] I'm having trouble getting rails to run through WEBrick.  Is there a
115687 [radsaq gmail] The webrick servlet requires the trailing slash on "/test/". I believe
115688 [dcoleman cha] The trailing slash did the trick.  Thanks.

^ ANN: Free-form-operators patch
115684 [markus reali] All --
+ 115689 [horacio.lope] Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-vil !!
| 115692 [markus reali] But...but...my _heart_ is pure!
| 115745 [horacio.lope] otoh, discussing about Kansas (an ORM lib by Kirk Haines)
+ 115698 [rff_rff remo] I like the idea of free form operators and actually I'd like even prefix
| + 115699 [hal9000 hype] It is cool and interesting from a theoretical standpoint, but it causes me
| | 115705 [markus reali] * If you don't use it, it should have no effect (not true with
| | + 115713 [hal9000 hype] I can't argue with certainty that it's a bad thing. I'm strongly in favor of
| | | + 115719 [markus reali] Oh, no worries.  There's no risk of that.
| | | | + 115726 [hal9000 hype] It depends on the context and the usage. I recall a shop (not mine, a friend
| | | | | + 115731 [charleshixsn] OK.  I will counter with the assertion that any system which centralizes
| | | | | + 115830 [dblack wobbl] Just so Hal doesn't feel all alone, I'll put in a note of skepticism
| | | | |   + 115840 [steven.jenki] I agree with Hal and David. Part of what appeals to me about Ruby (or
| | | | |   | + 115847 [transami run] Well, such things are important. Good ideas rarely (if ever) just pop out of
| | | | |   | | 115858 [steven.jenki] For the record, I'm not saying such discussions are out of place, nor
| | | | |   | | + 115861 [transami run] I see. I think part of the high "on" volume is b/c 2.0 is in the works.
| | | | |   | | + 115891 [markus reali] *smile*  I tried to join ruby-dev, first, but the list appears to
| | | | |   | + 116072 [matz ruby-la] I KNOW thinking about enhancing the language is FUN.  But let me
| | | | |   |   + 116076 [markus reali] I had originally tried to subscribe to ruby-core, but was
| | | | |   |   + 116164 [transami run] That's reasonable in my view. Up 'til now core has been slated for reporting
| | | | |   |     116167 [decoux moulo] Personnaly I think that it's a good thing to have a low volume in
| | | | |   + 115851 [markus reali] I think you are grossly misunderstanding what the patch does.  It
| | | | |   + 115868 [eeklund gmai] Count me on the side of the sceptics.  I have the precise worry that
| | | | + 115796 [rff_rff remo] the problem I can see is: +,*,- have a ,more or less obvious semantic.
| | | | | + 115828 [ruby-talk pc] Yet "a" + "b" != "b" + "a".
| | | | | | 115918 [rff_rff remo] sure, but a method has a name wich explains what it does, an operator
| | | | | | + 115925 [ruby-talk pc] Well, there you go.  Your whole reasoning just went down the drain.  If
| | | | | | | 115964 [rff_rff remo] Sorry but you misunderstood my point completely.
| | | | | | | 115990 [markus reali] It's really no different than methods; the interpretation of the
| | | | | | | 116028 [rff_rff remo] Sure, what I mean is: it is possible that people could implement
| | | | | | + 116151 [martindemell] Actually, when you're trying to implement domain-specific languages atop
| | | | | |   116153 [bob.news gmx] "Martin DeMello" <martindemello@yahoo.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
| | | | | |   + 116157 [markus reali] Perhaps.  But I had no idea how to implement that in a few days.
| | | | | |   + 116158 [martindemell] Not sure what you mean by sub language integration; if you're talking
| | | | | + 115844 [markus reali] By exactly the same argument, we could claim that users should not
| | | | | + 115872 [charleshixsn] This is a real problem.  Mutual dialects can diverge sufficiently to be
| | | | |   115955 [B.Candler po] I'll just chime in once, to say I support Hal's view, which he expressed
| | | | |   + 115971 [transami run] Know what noise is? Another word for static. Know what static is? Something
| | | | |   | + 115979 [dblack wobbl] I know no one who thinks, or has ever suggested, that Ruby should
| | | | |   | | + 115980 [jgb3 email.b] David, that's a little harsh. Tom has pushed his suby-muse list in a
| | | | |   | | | + 115983 [dblack wobbl] You've misunderstood -- I didn't mean he'd done it wrong -- on the
| | | | |   | | | + 115985 [transami run] Well said Jamis, thanks.
| | | | |   | | + 115981 [transami run] Exactly, so why do people complain when those conversations occur here?
| | | | |   | + 115984 [ml-ruby thep] S T A B L E
| | | | |   |   + 115991 [transami run] I understand. Actually I've had a notion in the back of my head for awhile
| | | | |   |   | + 115997 [ml-ruby thep] I think we are mostly in agreement. It's all about balance. For example
| | | | |   |   | + 116006 [B.Candler po] FreeBSD does exactly that (at the moment, 4.x = 'STABLE' and 5.x =
| | | | |   |   + 115994 [markus reali] Exactly why I value this discussion.  I am very interested in
| | | | |   |     115998 [ml-ruby thep] This is potentially still a problem area since Ruby allows reopening
| | | | |   |     116005 [markus reali] I'm not sure what the problem is.  Or rather, if there is a
| | | | |   + 115988 [markus reali] Again, I think you are grossly overestimating what this patch does.
| | | | |     + 116087 [matz ruby-la] I'm a nice and reasonable guy but not sure being intelligent.
| | | | |     | + 116088 [matz ruby-la] * This patch makes difficult to add new operators in the language in
| | | | |     | | + 116155 [markus reali] *smile* agreed on both counts.
| | | | |     | | + 116540 [charleshixsn] One way to handle that (changing the patch a bit) is to require all user
| | | | |     | |   116563 [markus reali] That should be a trivial patch to the patch, if that seems to
| | | | |     | |   + 116595 [ruby-talk pc] OK, say that we have this and that it is implemented as something like
| | | | |     | |   | + 116596 [decoux moulo] Well, for me an operator is defined by
| | | | |     | |   | | 116604 [ruby-talk pc] Sure, easy to fix.
| | | | |     | |   | | 116606 [decoux moulo] Yes, I've even written APL with an ASCII character set (r for rho, i for
| | | | |     | |   | + 116605 [dblack wobbl] Yes, but first of all people tend not to, and a lot of concern and
| | | | |     | |   + 116680 [charleshixsn] That's the way I was thinking of it.  It I meant something closer to
| | | | |     | + 116091 [gsinclair so] I'm very keen on the selector namespace feature, but share your
| | | | |     | | 116172 [rff_rff remo] some smalltalk have namespaces. No SmallTalker here that could share his
| | | | |     | + 116093 [bob.news gmx] "Yukihiro Matsumoto" <matz@ruby-lang.org> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
| | | | |     |   116138 [markus reali] The parser part (at least in isolation) isn't too bad.  Instead of
| | | | |     + 116213 [halostatue g] Mmmm. By this do you mean that you lose the automatic definition of +=
| | | | |       116214 [markus reali] Not at all.
| | | | + 115829 [ruby-talk pc] Precisely.  This is great for domain specific languages,
| | | + 115742 [transami run] I think there is a simple matter perspective here. It is okay for methods to
| | | + 115746 [mikael phubu] To continue the analogy: restricting the flexibility of Ruby to prevent
| | + 115751 [billk cts.co] Wow, amazing!  Sounds like you found a way to generalize
| | | 115772 [markus reali] Yes, though I haven't gone as far in that direction as I'd like;
| | + 116082 [ gm navel.gr] I guess he means 'too much syntax sugar' :)
| + 115702 [markus reali] Not yet.  I can see how to do it, but haven't quite finished thinking
|   115704 [jason jvoege] FYI, Eiffel has user-defined prefix and infix operators.  The language
|   + 115706 [markus reali] Yes, that was part of my inspiration for this.  In theory it is
|   | 115845 [ruby-talk pc] Take a look at Haskell.  It has user-defined operators with adjustable
|   + 115728 [charleshixsn] This is one place that I don't think Eiffel got things quite right.
|   | + 115733 [ml-ruby thep] A perfect example of why free-form-operators are a bad idea. ;-)
|   | | + 115740 [charleshixsn] And your proposed method of representing a matrix is??
|   | | + 115757 [ptkwt aracne] I think this patch is quite cool and I even have immediate applications
|   | |   + 115776 [markus reali] I don't think so.  My policy is: if it could be ambiguous, warn and
|   | |   + 115788 [charleshixsn] Perhaps one could require that the user defined operators be delimited
|   | + 115752 [jim weirichh] Hmmmm ... I'm not sure that the .<, >. and | are technically operators
|   | | 115774 [markus reali] You could do it, but it would be kludgey unless you generalized it
|   | | + 115778 [transami run] Just a thought. Since you are already using only character already used in
|   | | | 115780 [markus reali] That was my "doodle in meeting" project for a few days last week.
|   | | | 115783 [transami run] Hmm.. well, workable rules can be made.The rules themsleves have precedence
|   | | + 115782 [jim weirichh] Please do!
|   | |   + 115784 [transami run] Spaces b/c important, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. A rule that
|   | |   | 115785 [jim weirichh] This is fine, but at this point you are making incompatible changes to
|   | |   | + 115786 [transami run] Sure. I understand. But I wonder how often two operators are used back to
|   | |   | | 115792 [markus reali] x = proc {|a,*|a}
|   | |   | + 115791 [markus reali] T (I never know what to call you.  Trans?  Someone said "Tom" once,
|   | |   + 115790 [markus reali] Thanks.
|   | |   + 115810 [B.Candler po] !~ is a binary operator; "a !~ b" expands to "not (a ~= b)", in the same way
|   | + 115798 [rff_rff remo] yes, but this would be library interaction nightmare.
|   + 115797 [rff_rff remo] wow, and I thought Eiffel was one of those non funny languages :)
+ 115701 [ptkwt aracne] Cool...  Nice toy...
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