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[OT] Re: Editors of the ruby webpages
115281 [flgr@cc n. e] Moin!

Bit of the Matz Interview (in Rubyist Magazine)
115285 [ume@li ht id] I haven't translated it all yet (it's quite long to translate, and I'm just
+ 115293 [jgb3@em il b] Thanks, Jasmine! If you happen to translate any more of it, I'd love to
| + 115299 [matz@ru y- a] We are pretty similar.  I can't distinguish Korean from Japanese until
| | + 115301 [chadfowler@g] speak.  We are similar to Chinese too. ;-)
| | | + 115302 [ume@li ht id] I've seen a lot of kanji (the borrowed Chinese characters) in these types of
| | | + 115303 [matz@ru y- a] Do you mean Hiragana, Katakata, and Kanji?
| | | | + 115305 [emschwar@po ] My experience is that they don't work very well.  Instead, I think all
| | | | | + 115306 [matz@ru y- a] They use furigana, if their names are really unusual.  But it's rare
| | | | | | 115319 [j_m_h@co .n ] When I first tried to google for Ruby that was the subject
| | | | | | 115325 [matz@ru y- a] It's coincident.  We call them "rubi" (in katakana).  I didn't know it
| | | | | | + 115408 [sean.zuzu@gm] i'd only heard of them as furigana until the W3C released a standard
| | | | | | + 115417 [jwkenne@at g] The "ruby" type size, by the way, is (was) called "agate" in the US.
| | | | | | + 116179 [bg-rubytalk@] 5.5pt huh?  No surprise there.  We all know that Perl is essentially
| | | | | + 116061 [halostatue@g] ICU (International Components for Unicode) has a transformation that
| | | | |   116188 [pbattley@gm ] There appears to be quite a choice of packages when it comes to trying
| | | | + 115316 [sdate@ev re ] I am sure there are sites/tools out there which will teach how to read /
| | | |   115323 [matz@ru y- a] Yes, they learn Hiragana and Katakana first.  My 7 year old
| | | |   115336 [robo@ma s. o] They learn how to write the basic strokes, the order you write a
| | | + 115304 [jgb3@em il b] This is pretty much my goal, too. I'm not too worried about
| | | + 115456 [matt@en ev m] I've been learning japanese for two years.
| | |   116205 [james_pannoz] "Rerembering the Kanji" by Heisig is a good way
| | |   116207 [pbattley@gm ] Having never seen Heisig's books, I can't express an opinion on them,
| | + 115344 [rff_rff@re o] and
| | + 115446 [sroberts@un ] I think they sound similar, too. I lived in Japan a year, and I can tell
| + 115320 [furufuru@cc ] Korean and Japanese are *very* similar in grammar and in pronunciation.
|   115381 [pbattley@gm ] The grammar is definitely close, but I'd disagree that the
|   + 115389 [jgb3@em il b] Wonderful exposition, Paul. Thanks for the info. Your statement that
|   | 115403 [joey@jo yg b] ...
|   | 115410 [sean.zuzu@gm] this is why i do not care for the pimsleur method.  as peter payne
|   | 115454 [sroberts@un ] I agree, I think this is because Japanese is taught to English speakers
|   + 115526 [furufuru@cc ] We don't disagree.  We are merely disagreeing on the definition of
+ 115298 [matz@ru y- a] Thank you for the work.
| + 115310 [gsinclair@so] May I ask, Matz: what does this laboratory work on?  And what led it
| | 115321 [matz@ru y- a] It's a company named "laboratory", not a laboratory owned by any other
| | 115324 [matt@te hn r] Cool.  Interested in hiring this gaijin to help?
| + 115318 [j_m_h@co .n ] Well then, congratulations!
+ 115343 [rff_rff@re o] go on we all are grateful to a certain degree :)
+ 116573 [spb1981@ya o] Your original post reminds me -- I've recently signed on to translate articles

Ruby, Python, and Tcl/Tk
115287 [jmowbray2003] Just downloaded the Windows installer, and in the faq at
115317 [curt@hi bs c] This has been fixed in the most recent release. Thanks for reminding me to

Help! Newb having trouble getting a WHY'S example to work...
115290 [mailinglist_] ...
+ 115296 [markus@re li] There were about five minor problems (three missing to_s's, a
+ 115312 [ruby-talk@wh] Abe, hi,

OT -RE: HTML email
115307 [botp@de mo t] you are indeed sending plain text mail but your font appears as arial. Arial
115326 [markus@re li] Plain text does not specify the font (by definition).  It's just
115327 [gsinclair@so] Any responses to T. Onoma's are, like yours above :)
+ 115328 [gsinclair@so] But not my response.  Which is kind of unusual.
| 115334 [botp@de mo t] You are right. I made an ill-advice on font rendering. I'm using msoutlook
+ 115429 [elathan@ph s] It is a problem at your end. If the mail leaves his client with

compiling/installing ruby in a nonstandard directory
115329 [discordantus] I've been intermittently working on a build/packaging script that will
115338 [hramrach@ce ] Ruby currently (as of 1.8.2preview2) does not support this, see my
115445 [discordantus] I realize now why this is... It was a problem I had been a bit confused about.
115449 [Ara.T.Howard] perhaps
115469 [discordantus] Well, I didn't know I could do that... I'm guessing that will make the
115646 [patrick.benn] Mark, do a search for the thread 'can $LOAD_PATH be relative'.

Slides from my talk on Tycho...
115335 [hal9000@hy e] ...are now up.

[ANN] Test::Unit::Reporter 0.3.0
115340 [alex@ve k. n] 1. Test reports now capture test output (anything written to Kernel#puts
115342 [alex@ve k. n] URLs

SWIG vs Ruby/DL
115348 [martindemell] I asked this in the middle of another thread but it appears to have been
+ 115358 [rff_rff@re o] well, actually I think you can write a SWIG backend that generates
| 115442 [ptkwt@ar cn ] That's an interesting idea.
| 115451 [rff_rff@re o] ahs sure, and the author highlighted that DL is for C not c++.
+ 115384 [ser@ge ma e-] Ruby/DL?
| 115398 [ttate@tt ky ] I suspended developing Ruby/DL2 since I had no time to improve it
| 115419 [rff_rff@re o] thanks a lot for the effort. What are the advantages of ruby/sl2 over
| 115423 [ttate@tt ky ] I think average users won't get any advantage, but some powerful
+ 115386 [ser@ge ma e-] Ruby/DL?

[Rails] ActiveRecord modelling problem
115353 [sdmitry@lr .] I'm designing CMS for a corporate use with Rails and I have a problem with
115356 [usenet@an re] belongs_to :parent, :class_name => 'Folder', :foreign_key => 'folder_id'
115359 [sdmitry@lr .] Super, but I'm not sure how to use that now. How can I add Folders to a
115363 [sdmitry@lr .] Answering my own question with Andreas help from #rubyonrails, you have to use

[ANN] ndb Object-Relational Mapper
115360 [george.mosch] = n/db README
115368 [B.Candler@po] I'd like a database object mapping framework to remember the 'old' values of
+ 115376 [george.mosch] thank you for your suggestion! It took me some time to understand it,
+ 115407 [khaines@en g] That's an interesting suggestion, as it gives one a defense against some
  115430 [B.Candler@po] That's another O<->R mapping engine? Looks like there's a big ecosystem to
  + 115462 [khaines@en g] Active Record, Criteria, Kansas, Lafcadio, ndb are the five that pop to mind
  | + 115522 [botp@de mo t] [snip lots of cool things]
  | | 115568 [george.mosch] I 've checked it with PostgreSQL 7.4, if you find any problems with
  | + 115528 [ng@jo nw on ] There is also Vapor (http://vapor.rubyforge.org). A nice listing of ORM
  | + 115579 [ gm@na el gr] There are many O<->R libraries out there, but let me point out where ndb
  |   115606 [sera@fh an .] Can you clarify what you mean by R->O vs O<->R?
  |   115608 [ gm@na el gr] From what I 've seen Active Record takes an SQL Schema as input
  + 115583 [ gm@na el gr] This is a COOL idea :)
    115599 [B.Candler@po] Yep. The trouble with just having a child/parent link is that it's very
    + 115604 [ gm@na el gr] ... anyone wants to play.
    | 115616 [B.Candler@po] I don't think so, but I'm afraid I couldn't work out what the
    | 115624 [ gm@na el gr] I do think so :)
    | 115633 [B.Candler@po] This is a very cute data structure which I hadn't come across before.
    | + 115642 [ gm@na el gr] Yeap this is the tradeoff. Slower inserts give you faster (and constant
    | | 115832 [B.Candler@po] The code isn't there for processing XPATH queries, but I have documented how
    | | 116769 [george.mosch] thank you  for the link, I 'll have a look at it :)
    | + 115693 [itsme213@ho ] Google for "ait-kaci lattice encoding" or "efficient tree encoding" and you
    |   115697 [yumejin@gm i] This guy works (or used to work for Oracle) and came up with a scheme
    + 115605 [ gm@na el gr] This is a common SQL pattern, however I believe that the method used for

any more slides - videos, etc. from the US-RubyConf?
115361 [armin@xs .d ] I am curious.
+ 115362 [jgb3@em il b] - Jamis
+ 115365 [jamesUNDERBA] I posted an entry on ruby-doc.org about where to find my slides from my
+ 115366 [jim@we ri hh] "Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct,

Index of multiple similar strings
115367 [nospam@li ac] In order to count the number of N tracts and locate their
+ 115370 [bob.news@gm ] "Milo Thurston" <nospam@linacreschoolofdefence.org> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
| 115375 [nospam@li ac] Excellent, thanks.
| 115379 [bob.news@gm ] "Milo Thurston" <nospam@linacreschoolofdefence.org> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
+ 115374 [angus@qu va ] [Milo Thurston <nospam@linacreschoolofdefence.org>, 2004-10-07 14.19 CEST]
  115380 [nospam@li ac] Thanks - the interpreter didn't like this line, though.
  + 115383 [bob.news@gm ] "Milo Thurston" <nospam@linacreschoolofdefence.org> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
  | 115388 [decoux@mo lo] You create a String object for each call, you don't have this problem with
  | + 115391 [bob.news@gm ] "ts" <decoux@moulon.inra.fr> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
  | + 115397 [nospam@li ac] That would explain it. Some of the strings I'm looking at are several MB
  |   115399 [bob.news@gm ] "Milo Thurston" <nospam@linacreschoolofdefence.org> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
  + 115387 [angus@qu va ] [Milo Thurston <nospam@linacreschoolofdefence.org>, 2004-10-07 15.04 CEST]

[SUMMARY] Secret Santas (#2)
115377 [james@gr yp ] Please allow me a quick clarification, before I talk about this week's quiz.

How to determine supported connectionpoints for WIN32OLE object?
115394 [will.gwaltne] I'm using WIN32OLE_EVENT to set up some event handlers on various DHTML

RubyGem post-install hook (was Re: RubyGems and RPA
115395 [sastph@sa .c] Gavin, I initiated one of the RubyConf conversations about a RubyGem

net/ftp problems
115396 [marathoner@s] I'm having problems getting net/ftp on a windows installation.

Content Managing System in Ruby
115416 [matt@en ev m] I would like to know if CMS programmed in Ruby exist ?
+ 115420 [dross@co e- ] It's not complete yet :). I still have to make a database structure and
+ 115421 [csshsh@st uc] i just finished one. it's done with rails. it might take a while until
| 115452 [rff_rff@re o] release early release often!
+ 115425 [khaines@en g] They exist.  They may not be publically released, but they exist.
  115438 [matt@en ev m] In fact, I would prefer to see public ones :)
  + 115447 [dross@co e- ] Is there a reason for duplicating work and wasting precious time?
  + 115763 [drbrain@se m] ZenWeb - http://zenspider.com/ZSS/Products/ZenWeb/index.html
    + 115824 [matt@en ev m] Not great if you have thousand of users...
    + 115968 [curne@cu no ] That's a tad arrogant, isn't it? If poster needs XML structured

Translation of FXRuby Par L'Example?
115426 [bob@wi ds ng] I've tried to do a rough translation into English of FXRuby Par
115664 [lyle.johnson] I'd be willing to pitch in and help with a translation if someone else

Sth. wrong with File.file? (or with me)
115427 [michael@gu s] def each_dir(start_dir, &action)
+ 115431 [decoux@mo lo] there is only the filename in `f'
| 115434 [michael@gu s] Duh. I was almost sure it was me :-))
| 115580 [bob.news@gm ] "Michael Weller" <michael@gutschi.de> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
+ 115435 [mkhan@le tr ] puts "start_dir: #{start_dir}"

open-uri and ftp problem
115448 [ryco@gm .n t] following script (with an existing ftp address) throws an exception.
115548 [akr@m1 n. rg] I think Net::FTP#getbinaryfile should accept nil as the localfile
115685 [ryco@gm .n t] Thanks for your reply!
115691 [markus@re li] You could just modify the definition of FTP.getbinaryfile (either by
115821 [ryco@gm .n t] [snip code]

[ANN] RubyConf 2004 sessions available (audio/mp3)
115455 [rich@in oe h] All,
+ 115458 [gsinclair@so] Well, let me be the first to say "thanks".  Any plans to sell CDs/DVDs
| + 115461 [pate@gn .o g] [elided]
| | 115494 [horacio.lope] (human-readable)
| + 115506 [dross@co e- ] I hope its possible. Not everyone has mega amounts of bandwidth. The
|   + 115507 [dross@co e- ] ...
|   + 115540 [gsinclair@so] Not that I'm aware of.
+ 115472 [rff_rff@re o] thank you thousand, starting getting+sharing right now :)
+ 115572 [matt@en ev m] I accept to host this 364 MB zip file on my server.
| + 115573 [gsinclair@so] Hey, I'm having fun with this BitTorrent thing for the first time.
| | + 115576 [ruby-lists@l] please please, spoil the fun! :P (i've got 21 hours to go :P)
| | + 115577 [matt@en ev m] But BT nevers works fine with me. 90 hours remaining :(
| | + 115581 [Stephan.Kaem] Same here. Seems that you only need the right need to make folks use new
| | + 115781 [gavin@re in ] I'm a fun spoiler by nature.
| |   + 115805 [lucsky@ma .c] Downloaded in about 10mn at 356K/s, more than acceptable (compared to
| |   + 115936 [gfb@to es ft] Many thanks to Gavin for spoiling my fun (it took only 10 min. to
| |   + 115950 [gsinclair@so] Oh well, you're doing the right thing... :)
| |   | + 115978 [gavin@re in ] Simply leaving it running should allow others in need to find you and
| |   | + 115982 [rff_rff@re o] leaving bt open should let you continue uploading, so just sit down :)
| |   + 116516 [rubytalk@bo ] Btw, I can host pretty much anything,
| + 115578 [rff_rff@re o] well, once you start downloading via bittorrent you are even starting to
+ 115613 [lenya@ch ms ] <skipped>
| 115637 [chadfowler@g] The videos are of _much_ lower quality (and incomplete), so don't get
+ 116002 [ml-ruby@th p] Thanks for making this available. This is great stuff (what I've

[ANN] dev-utils v1.0
115457 [gsinclair@so] It's with great relief that I finally release dev-utils 1.0.  Never
+ 115473 [batkins57@gm] Wow, breakpoint looks _really_ useful.  I await RPA-ification.
+ 115496 [aredridel@gm] Totally looking forward to the tarball and RPA releases. .. I still
| 115510 [chadfowler@g] What issue are you having?  I saw that you were joining the rubygems
+ 116031 [batsman.geo@] I've been waiting until the weekend was over to see if you released
| + 116042 [chadfowler@g] So, Mauricio, this is a repackage to RPA of a gem?  Any
| | 116051 [batsman.geo@] As I said above, the process was relatively easy because Gavin followed
| | 116060 [chadfowler@g] So by that you mean to use obvious directory names, don't do anything
| | + 116063 [horacio.lope] Pretty much what has been documented.
| | + 116190 [batsman.geo@] You're missing some details specified in
| + 116077 [gsinclair@so] And I was waiting for your comments (not necessarily your actions)
|   + 116094 [ruby-lists@l] umm thats totally freaky
|   | 116124 [gsinclair@so] Generating RI data files.
|   + 116183 [batsman.geo@] They are :) The generation of the other docs isn't reported because...
+ 116065 [brian@po ke ] I love it, the breakpoints feature is going to get heavy use right here,

Gem packaging...
115459 [ggarramuno@a] After I got my copy of the ruby book and went thru the rubygems packaging, I
+ 115465 [jim@we ri hh] You need to set the "has_rdoc" flag in the gem spec to true, e.g.
+ 115466 [chadfowler@g] Great!  Thanks!  Very cool library, too.

GUI Toolkit questions
115464 [mrmargolis@w] I am currently designing a map editor for a game that I am writing in
+ 115468 [mailinglists] Sounds very easy to do with FOX. If you want to support Win9X,WinME
+ 115470 [batkins57@gm] Try Ruby/Gtk+ at http://ruby-gnome2.sourceforge.jp
| 115474 [dross@co e- ] A toolkit I have been using much which might live up to your expectations
| + 115478 [mrmargolis@w] Wow, WideStudio looks very interesting.  I had not heard of it up until
| | 115479 [dross@co e- ] Its used commercially with many archs. Look at the english page.
| + 115530 [Richard_Dale] Well QtRuby is GPL'd, and there isn't a commercially licensed version
|   + 115531 [dross@co e- ] There is actually some guy porting over the X11 version(also GPL'ed) of
|   + 115534 [horacio.lope] Richard,  do you know Jaroslaw Staniek from the Kexi project ?
|     115541 [Richard_Dale] Well, if I start working on a GPL'd Windows version it would kill any chance
|     115570 [ruby-lists@l] nod. same reason that i'm not interested in
|     115610 [horacio.lope] I couldn't agree more with you guys.
+ 115549 [nagai@ai ky ] Hmmm... I'm interested that.
  115602 [mrmargolis@w] Thank you very much for the sample code, I will be looking through it

ANN: Free-form operator patch
115467 [markus@re li] ...

Bug in free-form operator patch
115481 [markus@re li] Shoot.

1.8.x build for Zaurus?
115482 [ptkwt@ar cn ] Anyone got a build of Ruby 1.8.x for Zaurus?  I can find an ipk for 1.6.7 and

Re: [ANN] Test/Unit Reporter 0.3.0
115485 [alex@ve k. n] Mauricio, good day!
+ 115488 [alex@ve k. n] Oops, wrong "Reply To". Sorry, list.
| 115490 [horacio.lope] too funny,
+ 115492 [batsman.geo@] Thank you for reporting the new release.
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