112474-113098

^ Re: make fails
112474 [Richard_Dale] Hmm, it couldn't find the libkmdi library. One of the changes I made to the
112478 [thunfisch th] I guess I found something in config.log (attached), maybe this is what
112483 [thunfisch th] My fault. Somehow /usr/kde/3.2/bin was in my PATH and /usr/kde/3.3/bin not,
112492 [Richard_Dale] I'll keep my fingers crossed that the new libkmdi check is working ok then..
112496 [thunfisch th] You're absolutely right, now it compiles without any problems.
112502 [Richard_Dale] No problem. I think the KDE version check for the libkmdi library was wrong

^ Ruby 2 roadmap
112489 [imodev softh] I know this one could be an impertinent question ;) I'd like to know if
+ 112503 [gsinclair so] There's some slides from a talk Matz gave on the subject at last
| 112509 [vincent.isam] I love the title of this presentation ^o^
| 112518 [imodev softh] El Martes 14 Septiembre 2004 15:25, Vincent Isambart escribióº
+ 112520 [rff_rff remo] well, I think that there is a chance that YARV becomes the base for

^ Groovy speeds
112499 [jim weirichh] I've seen several posts that hint that Groovy runs at Java-like speeds.
112579 [bob.news gmx] charset="iso-8859-1"

^ win32-service package prebuild
112500 [Joakim.Oman ] charset="iso-8859-1"
+ 112515 [shanko_date ] We are working on the one-click installer for
+ 112536 [the.chrismo ] Chris

^ [Slightly OT] Ruby Image
112506 [spam0504 bss] I will give a talk on ruby, and I'm missing a nice image for the first
+ 112510 [lyle.johnson] Hope this helps,
+ 112511 [james graypr] If you describe what you're after I will try to ray trace one for you.
| + 112516 [spam0504 bss] Thank you, but I think that would be too much effort for the cause. (But
| + 112519 [curt hibbs.c] If you would be willing to do this and contribute it to the WhyRuby project
|   + 112533 [spam0504 bss] (also if brian would be willing to contribute his
|   + 112538 [james graypr] and
|     + 112545 [spam0504 bss] these images are really cool. Brilliant look. But would it be possible for
|     | + 112554 [james graypr] James Edward Gray II
|     | | + 112557 [curt hibbs.c] This is excellent... Thank you very much for doing this!
|     | | | 112607 [james graypr] My pleasure.
|     | | + 112576 [Richard_Dale] That's a nice one thanks - I've put it on the QtRuby/Korundum KDE
|     | + 112611 [james graypr] I wasn't really happy with any of my "on White" renders.  I miss my
|     + 112575 [martindemell] Beautiful! Were they done in povray? Is the source available?
|       112600 [james graypr] You are welcome to my source file, if you like, but no it wasn't
|       112759 [martindemell] Ah well - can't do much with it, then. Great pictures anyway :)
+ 112513 [roelandmoors] This is a picture of the largest known ruby.
+ 112514 [jim weirichh] Don't know exactly what you are looking for, but I used the following for
| 112521 [parseerror g] i created this image a few years back for a shirt
| 112522 [hal9000 hype] I remember that. :)  I like it, it reminds me of my superman idea.
+ 112517 [spam0504 bss] Thanks to everybody,
+ 112523 [discord mac.] It's really difficult to find anything of a decent size; It seems that
  112525 [curt hibbs.c] Can I add this to the WhyRuby repository? This one is pretty good. I'd still
  + 112531 [discord mac.] feel free :)
  + 112612 [james graypr] I saw this after I had built a model, of course.
    + 112628 [curt hibbs.c] Thank you! Its nice to have some decent alternatives. I'll make sure to
    + 112642 [alex verk.in] James,

^ Vector sketchpad
112507 [martindemell] I'm trying to write a tiny vector sketchpad - mainly, it needs the
112734 [markus reali] Martin --
112746 [martindemell] Great! I've got off to a pretty good start - the tk canvas gives me a

^ mod_ruby and RubyPassEnv
112512 [pmy virginia] We recently ran into a problem caused by mod_ruby's practice of wiping

^ Ruby SVG
112526 [macrocosm fa] Anyone know of any Ruby interfaces to SVG tech?
112528 [hans fugal.n] Well, since SVG is simply XML, REXML or one of the other XML things
+ 112529 [khaines enig] SVG-Graph at http://www.germane-software.com/software/SVG/SVG::Graph/
| 112537 [macrocosm fa] Thanks guys, greats info!
+ 112530 [rff_rff remo] well, there is the package SVG::Graph

^ Ruby article in Linux Journal
112527 [pate gnu.org] I hate to toot my own horn, but Linux Journal has published my article on

^ closing all open file descriptors
112532 [Ara.T.Howard] i just discovered a subtle bugette (no harm done except nfs silly name
+ 112552 [aredridel gm] That's how it's usually done in C, though often only to 256.
+ 112587 [bob.news gmx] "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@noaa.gov> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
+ 112649 [ksibilev bel] the /proc/self/fd directory.

^ Modules as namespaces
112535 [sstephenson ] I'm trying to nest modules to create namespaces, but I'm not having
+ 112539 [vjoel PATH.B] def B::foo; @foo; end
| 112541 [sstephenson ] Okay, I see. But now Foo#bar gives nil.
| 112542 [vjoel PATH.B] Nope. The namespace containment hierarchy is different from the
| 112544 [sstephenson ] Got it. Thanks for the help!
+ 112546 [dblack wobbl] [re-sending an answer that didn't seem to make it for some reason]

^ Pre-order PickAxe II
112543 [jamesUNDERBA] You can go pre-order Programming Ruby, 2nd Edition.
112547 [sstephenson ] If I order the PDF version, will I be able to download it now or on Oct. 3?
112548 [dave pragpro] Both the book and the PDF will be available on or around the 3rd.
112556 [Bil.Kleb NAS] It doesn't sound like I will be able to get a signed copy at
112563 [dave pragpro] If you signed up for RubyConf before September 1st, your copy will be
112580 [robert.mcgov] Other question is, if we buy it online is it possible for you and Andy

^ [ANN] Programming Ruby available for pre-order
112549 [dave pragpro] it looks as if my original announcement got lost somewhere, so here it
+ 112550 [brianwisti y] I'm really happy to see that there will be a PDF version of the book
+ 112551 [macrocosm fa] I thought the first one was free?
| + 112558 [halostatue g] It was. There has been extensive discussion about this in the past,
| + 112559 [curt hibbs.c] The first edition of Programming Ruby is available for free in digital
| + 112560 [dave pragpro] That's what they say on street corners too... :)
+ 112553 [ptkwt aracne] Just ordered the combo-pak.
| + 112561 [dave pragpro] This cumbersome cart software we're having to use doesn't let us
| + 112855 [j_m_h cox.ne] Add another name to the list of pre-orders. From the TOC it
+ 112555 [zdennis mkte] I hope you're using African Swallows and not English Swallows....I don't
| + 112562 [dave pragpro] Ni!
| + 112586 [gltewalt yah] "Well it doesn't matter.
+ 112578 [lists zara.6] Congratulations. This is an important milestone in worldwide Ruby
+ 112596 [victor.reyes] Will the book be autographed by the authors??
+ 112684 [dietmar.gack] I just ordered it, thanks.
| + 112685 [dave pragpro] We've been battling this software ever since we went online with it: to
| + 112749 [NOSPAM keepy] UK-based rubyists (or even European ones) might like to know that
| | + 112753 [robert.mcgov] Mmmm, spotted that yesterday and I am a bit torn. Part of me wants to
| | | 112765 [dave pragpro] I've been thinking hard about that. Here's the issue. In order to
| | | + 112771 [robert.mcgov] Certainly for me I would be more than happy to have the wrap removed.
| | | + 112779 [zdennis mkte] I'm ok with it.
| | | | + 112782 [roelandmoors] me too
| | | | + 112856 [j_m_h cox.ne] Me too.
| | | + 112818 [charleshixsn] To me a signed copy doesn't signify.  It's the book I'm after, not the
| | |   112821 [zdennis mkte] I'm not a book collector and the book probably won't remain in pristine
| | + 112754 [rasputnik he] Nice one - should be free shipping too for mainland UK, since it's
| | + 112773 [Peter.Vanbro] In Belgium, at current exchange rates, it's about 1.5 EUR cheaper to buy
| |   112775 [Peter.Vanbro] Cancel that. Didn't notice Global Priority Express is available, saving an
| + 112826 [Stephan.Kaem] Well, we have "BundeslçÏder"; I entered Schleswig-Holstein...
+ 112751 [han.holl pob] [cut]
  112769 [dave pragpro] If you'd hit the 'continue shopping' button it would have taken you
  + 112778 [gsinclair so] So what's the digital equivalent of leaving your book on his desk for
  | + 112781 [ehames gmail] Placing it on a shared folder for a couple of days?
  | + 112784 [dave pragpro] We don't have any kinds of DRM in the PDFs we produce, so there's no
  |   112786 [robert.mcgov] And for that I am grateful, I strongly dislike DRM and had you used it
  |   112787 [dmartenson m] Burn the PDF on a CD and keep this as your digital copy. When you share the
  |   + 112792 [peter semant] How long will it takes them to drag it from the CD onto their desktop?
  |   + 112799 [dave pragpro] We do have site licensing plans, and have used them for our other
  |     112812 [rcoder gmail] I just placed my order, and would love to have the dead-tree copy
  |     112815 [dmartenson m] That goes without saying. "Trust" is a big part of the equation. Dave and
  |     + 112816 [dmartenson m] Do you know how many pre-orders have been placed?
  |     + 112817 [victor.reyes] Well,
  |     | + 112819 [dave pragpro] General question - will it be OK if books shipped by Andy are signed by
  |     | | 112822 [victor.reyes] I guess that 50% is better than 0%.
  |     | + 112860 [dave pragpro] OK - here's the scoop.
  |     |   + 112864 [marcel verni] i determined that the computer department at the college where i work
  |     |   + 112882 [robert.mcgov] Excellent stuff, my thanks to you both for doing this.
  |     |   + 112895 [james graypr] Just placed my order.  Thanks for the book and the wonderful support.
  |     + 112828 [Stephan.Kaem] That's very well spoken.
  + 112884 [B.Candler po] What about providing HTML or even plaintext?
    112937 [rcoder gmail] You may not be able to grep a PDF, but you can search within most PDF

^ [ANN] Win32 Utils Installer 0.0.2
112564 [djberg96 hot] The Win32 Utils Team is happy to announce a new release of the Win32
112566 [botp delmont] Is this rpa-able?
112581 [batsman.geo ] Not yet because it's platform-specific; I could

^ web-based progress bar
112565 [agorilla gma] Trying to display output from a ruby script that has a command line
112567 [transami run] give you a fiver if you can do a smooth one of those in pure ruby ;)
+ 112592 [agorilla gma] Yeah, unfortunately it seems to be the only way to do anything like this.
+ 112595 [drossruby ya] You just need to make a page refresh for a easy

^ Colourize your Ruby output
112569 [gsinclair so] Folks,

^ Ruby equiv of Perl's HTML::Template module?
112570 [ceo nospam.o] Hopefully someone here fairly familiar with Perl can point me to a Ruby
+ 112571 [gsinclair so] I don't think there's a direct port, but there are some Ruby HTML
| 112606 [ceo nospan.o] I'm not sure I am able to accurately articulate what I perceive the
| + 112610 [kurtw oasis.] The second URL here offers up an ruby equivalent of HTML::Template. I've
| | 112686 [ceo nospam.o] Perfect.  I'll check them out!
| + 112631 [probertm nos] I been using IOWA and finding it really powerful.  Of course, if you are
| + 112633 [brianwisti y] You can always take a poke at my own PageTemplate library. It was a
+ 112574 [ksibilev bel] Take a look at rdoc/template.rb file which defines TemplatePage class.
  112585 [halostatue g] Also, Ruwiki has lib/ruwiki/template.rb that has an adapted form of

^ [Q] What does Ruby/DL do?
112582 [gsinclair so] The Ruby/DL website (http://google...) doesn't have much by way of
+ 112583 [rasputnik he] Yeah, it's fab!
+ 112584 [emmanuel.tou] with ruby/DL, you describe the API of the C function that you wrap. You
  113098 [khowe perfne] ...

^ Re: Lost connection to MySQL server during query
112589 [bob.news gmx] "Eric Schwartz" <emschwar@pobox.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
112591 [bob.news gmx] Another note...
112643 [emschwar pob] I suspect that may be the case, but in the actual application, I have

^ ruby/tk - getting started
112593 [martindemell] examples and reading through the tcl/tk docs), but now I've run into a
112602 [nagai ai.kyu] Probably, TkCanvas#canvasx (or canvasy) method satisfies you.
112737 [martindemell] Perfect, thanks!

^ [OT] Re: web-based progress bar
112598 [gavin refine] charset=US-ASCII;
112603 [agorilla gma] thx for your help, here's where I've gotten since my earlier post...
112627 [rcoder gmail] I've done some DHTML stuff like this, and the smoothest (i.e., least
112780 [agorilla gma] Minus the odd typo, it was just what I needed.  Thanks to all for the pointers.

^ Bignum Troubles
112605 [james graypr] I'm running a Ruby program that relies on Bignum values.
112614 [bob.news gmx] "James Edward Gray II" <james@grayproductions.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
112630 [james graypr] My project is a simulation.  I have a "dump" from a correct simulator.
+ 112641 [discord mac.] That first division should always produce an Integer (either Fixnum or
+ 112670 [jim weirichh] Several things look wrong here.
| 112683 [james graypr] That's because your math is a lot better than mine.  <laughs>  I
| 112694 [bob.news gmx] "James Edward Gray II" <james@grayproductions.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
| + 112696 [vjoel PATH.B] $ irb -r mathn
| + 112697 [james graypr] Is this a standard lib?
|   112704 [discord mac.] Yes, Rational numbers are defined in rational.rb. Just require
+ 112739 [markus reali] I was in a *very* similar situation (except I had the random stream

^ Ex-Perl coders: Howz it feel to convert to Ruby?
112608 [ceo nospan.o] I didn't even think about asking this question until now, based on a
+ 112616 [jamesUNDERBA] Could I can encourage you to go into more detail about this?  In what
| 112645 [ceo nospan.o] I think this is precisely the point and your question brings this out
| + 112660 [brianwisti y] Hmm ... TMTOWTDI applies in both Perl and Ruby. I think I would have
| | 112690 [ceo nospam.o] You know, a stylistic thing for sure, but I've stopped using "foreach"
| + 112671 [dblack wobbl] puts ["tic", "tac", "toe"]
| | 112691 [ceo nospam.o] Yep!
| + 112674 [ptkwt aracne] Actually, I think this is one of the _worst_ things about Perl and it was
|   + 112677 [billk cts.co] In ruby that might be,
|   | 112695 [ceo nospam.o] Ew... thanks for writing that.  I had not yet gotten to the point of
|   + 112693 [ceo nospam.o] An incredibly interesting point of view though your justification for it
|     + 112706 [mailinglists] I agree with Phil that the unspecified parameters is one of the worst
|     + 112716 [ptkwt aracne] Did you do this in comments?  In my faint recollections of Perl I seem to
|       + 112717 [james graypr] This solid reasoning for this aversion.  Prototypes are more than a
|       + 112725 [ceo nospam.o] sub foo {
|         + 112730 [ceo nospam.o] foo = Foo.new( "bar", "boat" )
|         | 112733 [Mike Geary.c] I don't need convincing, but I'd be interested in seeing the equivalent Perl
|         | + 112768 [ceo nospan.o] #!/usr/bin/perl
|         | | 112789 [ajohnson cpa] #!/usr/bin/perl -w
|         | | 112796 [ceo nospan.o] Oooooo...  Aaaaaah...!  lvalues...  You don't see folks using them very
|         | + 112770 [james graypr] #!/usr/bin/perl
|         + 112732 [gsinclair so] Damn right.  It's amazing how after years of programming the simple things
|         | 112760 [curt hibbs.c] I hadn't thought of this, but it is immediately obvious to me that this can
|         + 112752 [dblack wobbl] There's nothing wrong with doing this the way Phil has, but there's
|           112800 [ptkwt aracne] I agree totally.  I did not intend to stigmatize people for using 'yield'.
|           112804 [dblack wobbl] I was referring mainly to Chris's characterization of yield users as
|           + 112807 [batsman.geo ] def foo(arg, &block)
|           | 112811 [vjoel PATH.B] ...although this does have a small speed penalty as a Proc object gets
|           + 112813 [ceo nospan.o] Yeah, my rhetoric kinda made it sound that way.  I'm not in a position
+ 112617 [bob.news gmx] Although I don't regard myself as a diehard perl coder...
+ 112618 [rasputnik he] Good on you boy, although your family will starve :)
| 112652 [ptkwt aracne] Actually things are changing.  This place is hiring Ruby programmers for
| + 112657 [curt hibbs.c] Phil Tomson
| | + 112665 [rcoder gmail] Portland, OR, and the surrounding 'burbs. I'm working at Intel using
| | | 112667 [brianwisti y] Man, why can't you guys be up here in Seattle? It's just a few miles
| | | 112676 [ptkwt aracne] That place looks really cool: hardwood floors and windows that actually
| | + 112675 [ptkwt aracne] ago - it may be filled by now.  The jobs related to that other link are
| + 112699 [ceo nospam.o] Actually, you've voiced something openly here that I am privately
+ 112619 [peter semant] Being a long time Perl programmer I tend to reach for Perl when I have a
| + 112648 [ceo nospan.o] Interesting, and I think I can/could continue to relate to this.  As
| | + 112662 [zdennis mkte] I'm not a hardcore perl user. I learned perl and ruby at the same time.
| | | 112664 [zdennis mkte] My assumption on Perl "coders" here is my experience with them. I am
| | + 112666 [billk cts.co] One of the things that thrilled me with ruby was that
| |   112707 [ceo nospam.o] This is where I'm looking to get with Ruby and I still reach for Perl
| |   + 112711 [vjoel PATH.B] Golf.shoes = "on"
| |   | + 112713 [gsinclair so] $ ruby -ne 'puts $1 if /"(\w+)"/' file-snippet.txt
| |   | | + 112714 [agorilla gma] Ooooh! *golf clap* :)
| |   | | + 112735 [vjoel PATH.B] Heh. I bogied by splitting up the -ne. Was that a "hole in -ne"?
| |   | + 112727 [ceo nospam.o] Wow.  So tonight I learn about the -n switch.  Nice.  And I didn't think
| |   + 112712 [agorilla gma] ruby -e 'puts ARGF.grep(/"(\w*)"/) {$1}' file-snippet.txt
| + 112743 [bob.news gmx] "Peter Hickman" <peter@semantico.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
+ 112622 [james graypr] You almost sound like you're looking for the "Silver Bullet" of
| + 112653 [ceo nospan.o] I've run into this too, and it is a bit of a hiccup, but not too bad.
| + 112744 [bob.news gmx] "James Edward Gray II" <james@grayproductions.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
|   + 112763 [nsmith5 nist] Try
|   | + 112788 [bob.news gmx] "Nate Smith" <nsmith5@nist.gov> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
|   | + 112845 [brianwisti y] That "+" means you're building a new string from two Strings. Since the
|   |   112846 [dblack wobbl] If the second operand responds to to_str, then its response to to_str
|   |   112857 [brianwisti y] So we just have Fixnums and similar types not responding to to_s?
|   |   112859 [dblack wobbl] No, they do respond to to_s, but not to to_str.  It's to_str that
|   + 112766 [james graypr] puts "Total:  " + 12345
|   | 112767 [halostatue g] @total = 12345
|   | 112772 [james graypr] An excellent point.  Thanks for the tip.
|   + 112795 [doodpants ma] I can't speak for James, but coming from Java I'm used to using the
|     112876 [bob.news gmx] "Karl von Laudermann" <doodpants@mailinator.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
+ 112629 [agorilla gma] Personally, I don't see it as an either/or thing.  I'm learning Ruby
| 112654 [ceo nospan.o] Absolutely.  One of my primary intriques with Ruby, to be sure...
| 112705 [gsinclair so] In that case, I suggest you simply read Pickaxe II for pleasure.  It's
| 112728 [ceo nospam.o] I'll look for it.  This thread has been a load of fun and more than
+ 112638 [brianwisti y] I'm not exactly an ex-Perl coder, since I still use Perl everyday at
| 112708 [ceo nospam.o] I'm seeing this claim more and more and I'm starting to get sold.  Where
+ 112644 [ptkwt aracne] I don't think that the 'hit' is all that big.  When I moved from Perl to
| 112661 [rasputnik he] That's something that shouldn't be overlooked -
| 112678 [ptkwt aracne] => ["&", "*", "+", "-", "<<", "<=>", "==", "===", "=~", "[]", "[]=",
| + 112679 [brianwisti y] This is one of those situations where I kinda miss Python and its
| | 112680 [vjoel PATH.B] Why bloat the ruby executable with docstrings when you can easily add ri
| + 112709 [ceo nospam.o] More "Wow!"  You can't do this in Perl (unless you call in another CPAN
|   + 112720 [marcel verni] also if your .irbrc includes "require 'irb/completion'" you can tab
|   + 112798 [martindemell] Another useful trick is to do Array.methods - Object.methods (array
+ 112647 [ajohnson cpa] I'll throw my $0.02 into the pot ...
| 112710 [ceo nospam.o] Absolutely.  I agree.
+ 112721 [jwkenne attg] Heck, I took all my existing Perl code and converted it to Ruby.
+ 112745 [drosihn gmai] I learned perl well before ruby.  I wouldn't say that I'm a hardcore
+ 112793 [jfh cise.ufl] Recently it dawned on me that one of the reasons I like Ruby so much is
  112794 [bob.news gmx] "James F. Hranicky" <jfh@cise.ufl.edu> schrieb im Newsbeitrag