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^ Re: ruby and mustard
103174 [JRoshan blr.] charset="us-ascii"

^ OT: Re: Array#rest
103188 [linse428 stu] It has both meanings.

^ Re: oddities with select (do we need .to_bool?)
103216 [bg-rubytalk ] I'm going to assume you really misunderstand and aren't trolling,
+ 103218 [gfb tonesoft] You mistyped here --------> is not executed. ...
| 103219 [bg-rubytalk ] Yup.  :)
| 103380 [mrchameleon ] I replied to this a moment ago, and then did the ad hoc experiment
| 103422 [bg-rubytalk ] No worries, sorry for implying you might be trolling.  I thought that
+ 103378 [mrchameleon ] Of course I'm not trolling; don't be so touchy.

^ Switch to .ruby extension?
103217 [doodpants ma] The current convention for Ruby source file names is to end them with
+ 103221 [neil hakubi.] What stops you from doing so now?
| + 103226 [discord mac.] Well, it's not just a convention. it's built-in. Try requiring 'foo'
| | 103229 [neil hakubi.] Sure, I'm concerned about scripts, not libraries, though.
| + 103230 [mailinglists] Some braindead lines in the ruby interpreter. You can't even "require" rbw files
| | 103291 [lists zara.6] It's not braindead. It's _as designed_ :-) The same for perl and python
| | 103292 [lists zara.6] Forgot to add. I think .rbw is created specifically for Ruby scripts
| + 103325 [doodpants ma] Well, at home I have a Mac, so I will probably use .ruby from now on,
|   103364 [neil hakubi.] I don't understand why it matters what the file names are for libraries.
|   + 103442 [doodpants ma] I'm talking about my own multi-file Ruby programs, not libraries. If
|   + 103444 [doodpants ma] I just tried that, but I get an error if I try to pass ruby any
|     103445 [neil hakubi.] Works here.  That's unfortunate if it doesn't work everywhere.
|     103518 [Austin.Ziegl] program         # no extension, but #!/usr/bin/env ruby at the top
|     103567 [vjoel PATH.B] app_dir = File.dirname(__FILE__)
+ 103228 [mailing-list] The obsessive levels of abbreviation in the *nix world infuriate me.
| + 103233 [gfb tonesoft] Go back to windows ;-)
| + 103287 [lists zara.6] Of course you understand things like 'ls', 'pwd', 'cd', '/usr/bin', and
| | 103326 [jamesUNDERBA] The May issue of The Believer [0], a literary mag published in the USA,
| | 103336 [lists zara.6] I swear that when I first saw it, I thought my browser was displaying
| | 103356 [mailinglists] Cool. And this code does contain comments :-)
| + 103580 [ser germane-] how
|   103599 [mailing-list] I don't know how much of the thread you read through, but I repeated at
|   + 103602 [sean celsoft] I have to agree with you about the user friendliness issue in *nix.  Writing
|   | 103605 [zdennis mkte] saying
|   | 103608 [sean celsoft] Did I say anyone said that here?
|   | + 103618 [sroberts uni] It looks like new money to me, not new developers. Most of the big
|   | | 103622 [sean celsoft] It's not new money.  KDE doesn't have the money IBM or Sun have/had.  Unless I
|   | | 103673 [sroberts cer] KDE has more money than Tom's Window Manager did.
|   | | 103703 [sean celsoft] Philip Hazel developed Exim AT the University of Cambridge, and the copyright
|   | | + 103711 [rt alum.wpi.] Well, he may have developed it alone, but it seems as though he
|   | | | 103715 [sean celsoft] You're right, I just double-checked.  I read that yesterday in an article
|   | | + 103712 [sroberts cer] Exactly, he did in on University time, getting paid to do it, not on
|   | |   103716 [sean celsoft] I don't see how any of this counters my point that Linux software is getting
|   | |   + 103722 [michael.camp] As much as "getting the last word in" has been such fun sport lately,
|   | |   + 103723 [zdennis mkte] getting
|   | |     103726 [sean celsoft] This is what bothers you?  That I didn't come out and agree with you?  Do you
|   | |     103727 [zdennis mkte] Sean,
|   | |     103729 [sean celsoft] I believe Linux software is getting better because better programmers are able
|   | |     103757 [nick activeh] A good understanding of why OSS is getting better is important, since it
|   | + 103640 [Ruben.Vandeg] I don't know whether it's really like that. If you're mainly talking
|   | | 103680 [sean celsoft] That's how the majority of projects go, yes, and you're right about
|   | + 103677 [ser germane-] Ironically, NeXTSTEP -- the most user friendly OS that has ever existed
|   |   + 103678 [ser germane-] I think you're generalizing here.  First off, there are assholes in any
|   |   | 103768 [xlucid users] Except it had no delete key - only backspace*.
|   |   + 103704 [sean celsoft] I think the shell is good at what it does.  It could probably be made better
|   + 103603 [aredridel nb] Unix is user friendly. It's just picky about who its friends are.
|   + 103604 [sroberts uni] Its a bad example, and what does user-friendly mean, anyhow?
|     103610 [mailing-list] ...
|     + 103617 [sroberts uni] Ciao!
|     + 103672 [dolio po.cwr] Okay, what is the issue, then?
+ 103232 [jamesUNDERBA] The package installer for Blogtari uses the .ruby extension.
+ 103285 [lists zara.6] What things would explode if *.rb is not changed to *.ruby in 2038 or
+ 103289 [lists zara.6] What is your suggestion for .rbw (on Windows)? .rubyw? (Probably not,

^ [ANN] celsoft.com/Battery 0.1.1
103225 [sean celsoft] Battery is a unit testing framework for Ruby. It captures all standard error
+ 103236 [dblack wobbl] You're implying, I believe, that Test::Unit runs the test methods in
| + 103238 [ jimm io.com] Is that guaranteed by the API or should I not rely on it?
| | + 103248 [nathaniel ta] It is guaranteed. Even if other orderings are added at some point in
| | | 103251 [jim weirichh] Even if it is guaranteed, I recommend not relying on it in the tests
| | | + 103253 [sean celsoft] The order shouldn't matter, but it's better to have control over the order
| | | | 103255 [michael.camp] How is alphabetical order any better/worse than "the order they are
| | | | 103257 [sean celsoft] Tests are stored as an array of blocks and are called in the order they appear
| | | + 103279 [cc1 cec.wust] Yes but I can think of a very simple reason someone might want to reorder there
| | |   103282 [gfb tonesoft] In your own tests you can always put
| | + 103249 [michael.camp] Beside your point a bit here, but you shouldn't rely on tests running
| + 103250 [sean celsoft] When tests are run alphabetically, it makes it tough to run the same tests in
|   103267 [dblack wobbl] I wasn't talking about the merits of one design or the other, just
|   103275 [sean celsoft] Arbitrary meaning that, from a library USER'S viewpoint, the decision to order
|   103308 [dblack wobbl] Have you checked the archives, or asked Nathaniel?  That might help
|   103329 [sean celsoft] ariĄ­trarĄ­y
|   + 103353 [dblack wobbl] Maybe, maybe not -- but in either case, I was addressing your original
|   | 103366 [sean celsoft] When you're given no choice, as far as you're concerned as a library user,
|   | + 103385 [jamesUNDERBA] I think David's point was that the order was decided after much
|   | | 103523 [sean celsoft] This could never happen.
|   | + 103389 [jean_hugues_] I suspect that there is some misunderstanding here. That you would
|   |   103525 [sean celsoft] Ordering tests alphabetically, to me, is arbitrary.  I can't say I really know
|   |   + 103533 [jamesUNDERBA] Picking a different word to avoid hurt feelings is probably not a good
|   |   | 103536 [sean celsoft] Even Nathaniel himself admitted the decision to order tests alphabetically was
|   |   | 103541 [hal9000 hype] I think I'm seeing the root of the disagreement (taking off my hacker
|   |   | 103546 [sean celsoft] I wasn't referring to the decision so much as the order itself.  My initial
|   |   + 103538 [ahoward noaa] it seems that, at least in this instance, it was not __completely__ arbitrary
|   |   + 103539 [hal9000 hype] Relax, this isn't a war.
|   |     + 103543 [sean celsoft] No, because there is a solid reason for the order of the words in the
|   |     | + 103545 [Austin.Ziegl] This does not address the fact that it is a different claim than you
|   |     | | 103547 [sean celsoft] What claim is that?  That the tests were run in a random order?  Nathaniel
|   |     | | 103548 [Austin.Ziegl] I'm not forcing it on anyone[1], but it isn't my opinion only. Just
|   |     | | 103552 [sean celsoft] Look how many people wish they could order their tests.
|   |     | + 103635 [jean_hugues_] Hum... I had a google search on "dictionary arbitray". One
|   |     |   103717 [Austin.Ziegl] Not sure how I missed this earlier: this has nothing to do with the
|   |     |   + 103721 [sean celsoft] My only concern is for myself.  I released celsoft.com/Battery and
|   |     |   | 103742 [Austin.Ziegl] I don't know what you're talking about. Yours is the first complaint
|   |     |   | 103744 [sean celsoft] Great work, Ziegler.
|   |     |   | + 103745 [bg-rubytalk ] Dude, take this kind of crap off the public mailing list.  Please.
|   |     |   | | + 103746 [vjoel PATH.B] Seconded. It's off topic and immature.
|   |     |   | | | 103750 [sean celsoft] Why didn't you say this about the people participating in the
|   |     |   | | | 103767 [vjoel PATH.B] Lots of people say lots of inappropriate things about each other all the
|   |     |   | | | + 103771 [sean celsoft] It didn't "delete" here in ML, so it's here forever archived, as far as I
|   |     |   | | | + 103778 [billk cts.co] Indeed.  I had already acknowledged the inappropriateness of that
|   |     |   | | |   103782 [sean celsoft] Indeed you did.
|   |     |   | | + 103749 [sean celsoft] Oh, it's fine when personalized insults about the quality of my projects are
|   |     |   | |   + 103755 [bg-rubytalk ] I have been ignoring this thread for a long time, I just happened to
|   |     |   | |   + 103760 [hal9000 hype] I think Ben meant you should BOTH (or ALL) take it offlist.
|   |     |   | |     103762 [sean celsoft] When people post messages to me in private, I will reply in private.  It's a
|   |     |   | |     103779 [ljz asfast.c] ... etc. etc. etc. etc. ...
|   |     |   | |     103783 [sean celsoft] Clearly not you.  You could have very easily sent this to me as a private
|   |     |   | |     103784 [dross code-e] Ok fine.. I didn't want to act like this but you foreced me.
|   |     |   | |     103787 [sean celsoft] It's funny how people go out of their way to make someone look bad, but end up
|   |     |   | |     + 103788 [dross code-e] Oh thanks, that reply just shows how addicted and insane you are acting.
|   |     |   | |     | + 103790 [sean celsoft] Why are you still posting on-list with this?  Afraid to have a one-on-one with
|   |     |   | |     | + 103796 [gsinclair so] Please do not make comments like this while purporting to represent the
|   |     |   | |     + 103801 [nick activeh] Kudo's to everyone on the enthusiasm and follow-through on this thread.
|   |     |   | + 103747 [lrz gnome.or] *Please* would you mind to continue this discussion in *private*
|   |     |   |   103751 [sean celsoft] Did you see the self.promote.com/energizer thread?  Why didn't they send that
|   |     |   |   103752 [Austin.Ziegl] 1. Try http://rubyforge.org/projects/ruby-pdf -- there is real stuff
|   |     |   |   + 103753 [Austin.Ziegl] Wrong. I commented specifically on what I saw as shortcomings of
|   |     |   |   | 103758 [sean celsoft] I do contribute, and don't count on me "chilling" with anyone who holds
|   |     |   |   | 103775 [jean_hugues_] <META>
|   |     |   |   | + 103776 [dross code-e] Okay, thanks for irritating the people of the Ruby world. Please keep all
|   |     |   |   | | 103781 [sean celsoft] Why didn't you send this to me as private email?  Did it need to be posted
|   |     |   |   | + 103780 [sean celsoft] You're another one who seems overly concerned with getting certain kinds of
|   |     |   |   |   103805 [jean_hugues_] No offense.
|   |     |   |   + 103754 [sean celsoft] Time to go private, Ziegler.
|   |     |   |   + 103756 [bg-rubytalk ] Much as I think you have the right to defend yourself, please, stop.
|   |     |   + 103772 [gsinclair so] I wouldn't worry about that point too much.  It's a pretty simple
|   |     |     103773 [sean celsoft] Thank you for respecting my own approach.  I was beginning to feel as if no
|   |     + 103584 [gsinclair so] No because that ordering makes sense to Sean.  Anything *else* would
|   |       103587 [sean celsoft] Close, but not quite right.  It makes sense to most people, including me.
|   |       103593 [walker letha] Arbitrary does not mean 'bad,' 'random' or 'senseless.' - It literally means 'because I said so.'
|   |       103596 [sean celsoft] You're taking the side of those who get spit on, I should warn you.
|   + 103412 [nathaniel ta] Early in test/unit's life, test order was arbitrary (well, OK, they
|     + 103413 [jgb3 email.b] Forgive me if this has already been asked and answered, but what exactly
|     | + 103516 [Austin.Ziegl] This is a different claim than you made initially.
|     | | 103535 [sean celsoft] I learned that tests were run alphabetically, but originally I thought they
|     | + 103532 [sean celsoft] I don't think people think its a bad thing, people just don't like when people
|     |   103549 [gfb tonesoft] It is the worst case of over self-confidence and stubbornness I have
|     |   + 103553 [jamesUNDERBA] No no no.  Not random order; *arbitrary* order.
|     |   | 103557 [sean celsoft] Arbitrary isn't an ordering method per se.  Alphabetic can be arbitrary, as
|     |   + 103555 [sean celsoft] Meaning what, that Nathaniel didn't post saying he found some good ideas in my
|     |     103621 [nathaniel ta] I personally am EXTRA glad that you took the initiative to go and code
|     |     103624 [sean celsoft] I really couldn't care less.  People can use my stuff or not, it doesn't
|     + 103530 [sean celsoft] Competition doing its job of making software better.  =)
+ 103551 [djberg96 hot] <nasty emails snipped>

^ {OT] was Re: Switch to .ruby extension?
103231 [hal9000 hype] True. But the best thing would have been to read a tutorial of some

^ any Boston Rubyists want to have breakfast? :-)
103237 [dblack wobbl] I'm in Dedham, Mass., outside of Boston.  I'm leaving late morning or

^ Re: Switch to .ruby extension? [OT]
103239 [discord mac.] heh :) I had a similar experience, coming from a Mac, with no command
103246 [mailing-list] I think I may be earning myself a reputation as a user-friendliness
+ 103252 [zdennis mkte] Since the CLI is mostly used by developers, hard core users, wannabe geeks
| 103258 [mailing-list] As a matter of fact, I think that's an excellent idea. But, as I
| + 103261 [bg-rubytalk ] Ok, this is really not the area to discuss the pros and cons of generic
| | 103264 [mailing-list] Actually, Unix editors aren't different - they're the same as every
| | 103290 [lists zara.6] Please, Unix editors like vi/vim and emacs _do_ evolve improve over time
| | 103317 [jamesUNDERBA] Ctrl-H
| | 103318 [michael.camp] "Bah!  Ctrl-H for replace?!  That's unintuitive and user-unfriendly.
| + 103262 [zdennis mkte] I see where you are coming from, but I do not necessarily agree with you.
| + 103271 [discord mac.] I just had to comment on one thing.
| | 103273 [mailing-list] I'm not talking about the command line per se, I'm talking about
| | 103278 [gfb tonesoft] You are right, all trollers talk about same thing. You are no exception.
| | 103281 [mailing-list] Oh, you've heard these complaints before? So maybe there's some merit in
| + 103302 [rasputnik he] You wanted to know how to use a tool, and someone told you to read
| | 103371 [zdennis mkte] Dick,
| | 103372 [mailing-list] I take credit for all the tom-foolery in this thread.
| + 103304 [martindemell] Just had to comment on this bit. vi isn't easy to *learn*; it's easy to
| + 103307 [segphault sb] I get really tired of hearing people say something is bad just because
+ 103358 [mghallNO SPA] You're right, of course.  However, I'd suggest you take the time to read
  + 103368 [mailing-list] I think Unix is my OS of choice for this very reason. I do most
  + 103571 [austin-mcdon] Hopefully such a thing will address concerns like this in the future.

^ uninitialized constant Magick in RMagick
103263 [piir earthli] I and using the Windows machines by necessity :~(
103322 [eule space.c] I suggest you uninstall your gem and reinstall. This should put the size
103769 [piir earthli] I just uninstalled and reinstall the jam as you suggested above.  It
103931 [eule space.c] It seems as though Todd's installation fails to load a shared object

^ assignment in conditional warning
103266 [one nowhere.] Why in the world is there a warning, *even with brackets*, for assignments
103314 [bob.news gmx] "Rasputin" <one@nowhere.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
+ 103323 [ahoward noaa] IMHO the above fails apart when you are testing compound datastructures using
| + 103345 [bob.news gmx] "Ara.T.Howard" <ahoward@noaa.gov> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
| + 103346 [vjoel PATH.B] Actually, (3) is even worse that it looks here, because you have to test
+ 103420 [one nowhere.] Actually, I don't think(not sure about this though) that Ruby actually
  103573 [bob.news gmx] "Rasputin" <one@nowhere.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag

^ fltk on OS X working?
103268 [jim freeze.o] Does anyone have fltk 1.1.x or 1.2 bindings working with OS X?
103269 [mailinglists] Not for OS X but i have a working ruby-fltk for WinXP/Win2K. It comes
103274 [jim freeze.o] I have compiled 1.1.5rc1 and have downloaded ruby-fltk-0.9.0.
103276 [jim freeze.o] Looking at this further, extconf.rb checks the number of args
+ 103403 [timsuth ihug] Try
| 103419 [jim freeze.o] g++ -I/opt/local/include -L/opt/local/lib flimage3.cc
+ 103423 [quixoticsyco] __________________________________

^ Packaging and license for a Windows distribution (was: Re: [ANN] EZExerb 2.0)
103270 [rich lithino] Thanks again for working with me - I really haven't written that much Ruby

^ RMagick && Pathname
103283 [cc1 cec.wust] I don't know who wide spread this is in RMagick, but isn't Pathname supposed to
103316 [cyclists nc.] It's a deficiency in RMagick, which is checking explicitly for either a

^ Any way to get the calling method's binding?
103293 [gsinclair so] Something I've wanted to do on a few occasions recently is to evaluate
+ 103294 [vjoel PATH.B] ...
| 103295 [austin-mcdon] def trace (expr)
| 103296 [vjoel PATH.B] def trace(&block)
| 103297 [austin-mcdon] Excellent; I had the right idea, but yours is much cleaner.
| + 103299 [cc1 cec.wust] Umm that's exactly what gavin was trying to avoid, explicitely passing the
| + 103300 [austin-mcdon] Right.  I'm out of it at the moment; got wrapped up in following the
+ 103312 [flgr ccan.de] Regards,
  + 103313 [bob.news gmx] "Florian Gross" <flgr@ccan.de> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
  | 103315 [flgr ccan.de] Global trace_funcs are a *huge* performance bottle neck. That's why I'm
  | 103320 [bob.news gmx] "Florian Gross" <flgr@ccan.de> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
  + 103393 [jean_hugues_] This is a very creative piece of work, congratulations !
    103410 [flgr ccan.de] Thanks. :)
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