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^ Why have a Symbol class?
101214 [rohitlodha h] As far as I understand Symbols are interned Strings. Why have a different
+ 101220 [hal9000 hype] I would say it's a matter of efficiency in time and space, and maybe
+ 101244 [pbrannan atd] It is for efficiency.  A Symbol is just an entry in the symbol table;

^ Numeric#of
101223 [Ara.T.Howard] avg, max, min = {}, {}, {}
+ 101225 [alexmchale g] I like it.  I particularly like the added detail of yielding the index
| 101236 [WBrown isoft] Ara,
+ 101281 [unet rexx.co] irb(main):061:0> 6.of{1} + dozen.div(2).of{'the other'}

^ [SemiOT] Concerning package names
101226 [djberg96 hot] All,
101229 [flgr ccan.de] I think that it is a good idea at least for Ruby libraries which are
101231 [alexmchale g] I think perhaps the point being for in the Ruby-centric repositories
+ 101237 [ser germane-] Interesting topic.
| + 101242 [hal9000 hype] Wouldn't it though? :)
| | + 101262 [bg-rubytalk ] * Accenture
| | | 101272 [discord mac.] Onigurama? ;)
| | | 101273 [neoneye adsl] I think Oniguruma translates into Monster Driver... not sure though.
| | | 101275 [discord mac.] Ghost Wheel, perhaps. There was a thread a while back... the Japanese
| | | 101288 [nobu.nokada ] Originally the letter (\u9b3c) has meant ghost in China, but
| | + 101318 [surrender_it] you should seriously take a look at polygen.org :)
| + 101376 [sera fhwang.] Haven't read that much about Matz' motivations, but I agree with him,
+ 101240 [surrender_it] and what if I need to look for it on google or other search engines?

^ Ruby on Rails questions
101228 [carl youngbl] I'm really interested in seeing Ruby on Rails.  As far as I can tell it
+ 101233 [carl youngbl] Never mind about this question.  I suppose it uses some version of
+ 101238 [david loudth] Thank you and no, it's not available yet. It'll be available under an
| 101260 [jim freeze.o] Is RoR somewhat like CGIKit, but with more automation via reflection?
+ 101239 [feldt ce.cha] I think it is described in the pickaxe but the idea is that since every

^ FXRuby widget suggesttion anybody?
101230 [philrob HOLY] I'm looking to create a simple info grid such as the one shown in the
101278 [lyle knology] Did you pass in the HSCROLLER_NEVER and VSCROLLER_NEVER flags to the
101311 [philrob HOLY] Lyle Johnson <lyle@knology.net> shot from the breach towards his
101338 [lyle knology] @table = FXTable.new(inputGroup, 6, 2, nil, 0,
101353 [philrob HOLY] Lyle Johnson <lyle@knology.net> shot from the breach towards his

^ Design Question
101248 [zdennis mkte] I am having a small dillema. In a program I and a friend are writing I am
101258 [dblack wobbl] A quick hint: rather than use methods that start with "get" and "set"
101491 [rasputnik he] This reminds me of errno in C. You'll find your program becomes
101492 [zdennis mkte] Let me better define my Status object. It would be used to handle displaying
101508 [Ruben.Vandeg] The way i look at what you wanna do, is that you wanna inform the user

^ How to pp-enable a class?
101249 [hal9000 hype] Are there good docs or even a tutorial on how to enable a class
101269 [gsinclair so] I've never expended any effort "preparing" a class for pp'ing.  I just
101271 [hal9000 hype] True in general.
101280 [ahoward noaa] the other case where it does not work is in cases where you might want to use

^ Webrick & HOWTO type docs?
101250 [khaines enig] I think I know the answer to this already, but....
+ 101251 [drbrain segm] PI=20
| 101256 [khaines enig] 1) Can the code that executes the server.mount() dynamically alter the mount
| 101264 [drbrain segm] These two questions tell me you have one instance that handles many
| 101265 [khaines enig] What I would like to replicate is basically how I have it working with my
| 101266 [drbrain segm] It sounds like a subclass of FileServlet would fit perfectly.  If its
+ 101257 [mneumann nte] the current Iowa release.
  101261 [khaines enig] Cool.  It won't work with the current release, but it should help give me a

^ RCR? change Proc#inspect to show start..end lines
101253 [vjoel PATH.B] #<Proc:0x401c6d54@file.rb:3>
+ 101270 [flgr ccan.de] Heh, are you wanting to do the same that I want to? :)
| 101306 [vjoel PATH.B] That's much more sophisticated than what I need. I've got a little
+ 101319 [nobu.nokada ] Unfortunately, there's no more room for it.
  + 101425 [vjoel PATH.B] Oh, well. :/
  + 101428 [matz ruby-la] Commit the patch, please.

^ Possible _very_ part-time Ruby job
101255 [khaines enig] I'm looking for a few people who might be interested in a little occasional

^ pp and (my) sstruct
101274 [hal9000 hype] OK, I've narrowed the problem down a little further.
101277 [dblack wobbl] If (({self})) has a customized (redefined) (({inspect})) method,
101279 [hal9000 hype] Quite right, David. That does the trick.
101283 [akr m17n.org] Define pretty_print and alias inspect pretty_print_inspect.
101284 [hal9000 hype] Thanks very much for this reply. Always a pleasure to get advice
101285 [akr m17n.org] Copy pretty_print from Struct#pretty_print in pp.rb.
101286 [hal9000 hype] My goal was to have a normal inspect that did not depend
101287 [akr m17n.org] Define both inspect and pretty_print.
101289 [hal9000 hype] Oh, I see now. This is the puzzle piece that I was missing.

^ mod_ruby/eruby for mswin32 for Ruby 1.8.1/Apache2.0.49
101282 [canuckdba ya] Does anybody have a solution for mod_ruby/eruby binaries for
101321 [surrender_it] But I can't remembr where a modruby binary was.
+ 101331 [se hexatex.d] Yes! Please! We all have been waiting for this for so long. Is there
+ 101355 [phil.wilson ] Thanks...this would be a greatly appreciated iof someone came up with

^ Ruby ftp class help
101291 [greg brondo.] Ok.  I seem to be the one to use the "not-so-well-written" classes in the
+ 101293 [jm transact.] What happens when you ftp in manually and try chmod-ing?
| 101294 [jm transact.] The following quick script worked for me. I had to use sendcmd() as I'm
+ 101296 [greg brondo.] Ok, seems the FTP server now disallows the SITE command (it used to work at

^ [RCR] Numeric#of
101292 [ahoward noaa] RCR - Numeric#of - an accumlative version of Numeric#times
+ 101295 [matz ruby-la] What if n is very large number?
| + 101300 [ahoward noaa] same problem with using #map vs. #map! isn't it?
| | 101301 [matz ruby-la] Yes, but they are for Enumerables, collecting items for number of
| | + 101302 [botp delmont] the op returns an array; so array_of perhaps?
| | + 101303 [hal9000 hype] I understand the idiom, but I agree that it is a little vague.
| |   + 101304 [botp delmont] cool thinker.
| |   + 101305 [vjoel PATH.B] Visually nice, but some would read that as "five times array dot new",
| |     + 101307 [botp delmont] so maybe, we'd want rather
| |     | 101308 [hal9000 hype] Not IMO. I still like the other much better.
| |     | + 101309 [hal9000 hype] Actually I guess both these are bad syntax. You would have to
| |     | + 101310 [vjoel PATH.B] Low tech pair programming--it happens.
| |     |   101312 [botp delmont] yes.
| |     |   101325 [batsman.geo ] Beware
| |     + 101320 [gsinclair so] I think that if we are to support this Numeric#of idea, then the above
| |       + 101324 [batsman.geo ] I do make a number of assumptions regarding Integer#times; specifically,
| |       | + 101326 [mneumann nte] I agree completely with all you said. What about a method
| |       | | 101334 [kristof vlee] require "enumerator"
| |       | + 101357 [gsinclair so] I certainly agree that that idiom is clear enough and we don't need to
| |       |   101618 [androflux so] If you were going to do that....
| |       + 101327 [guslist free] But in that case, an array is built and return even if I use times as a
| + 101314 [martindemell] I don't like it in the case where the block actually uses the index -
| + 101328 [dblack wobbl] My problem with it (the word, rather than the idea) is that it doesn't
| | 101354 [gavin refine] Don't method names ending in ! imply that the receiver is being
| | + 101356 [decoux moulo] svg% ri Kernel#exit!
| | | 101363 [gsinclair so] Lighthearted observation: Kernel.exit! (why does 'ri' say Kernel#exit!
| | + 101358 [hal9000 hype] There is at least exit! and I think one or two others.
| | | 101399 [ahoward noaa] i must say that idea of a collecting block syntax is a nice one...
| | | + 101400 [neoneye adsl] Your 'of' is a mix between times and map. Wouldn't it be better to
| | | | 101401 [neoneye adsl] Even simpler.. it would make sense to me if it were just named 'maps'
| | | | 101438 [martindemell] Or even just map (there's no Numeric#map) - I don't like that either
| | | | + 101440 [neoneye adsl] Agree, Numeric.map would be perfect.
| | | | | + 101441 [quixoticsyco] I think we should bring in all Enumerable rather than implementing just #map.
| | | | | + 101454 [kristof vlee] I feel that an integer represents only that integer,
| | | | + 101448 [surrender_it] I believe it is Integer#map more than Numeric. What whould you expect
| | | |   101449 [neoneye adsl] A)  what the default element are
| | | |   101450 [surrender_it] well, I'd just prefer to see it working like times(().
| | | |   101451 [neoneye adsl] Times walks the range 0..(n-1)    :-)
| | | |   101453 [surrender_it] oh sure, I meant 0...n (I hate this :)
| | | + 101415 [surrender_it] please, no more syntax :)
| | |   + 101422 [botp delmont] thank you for the warning.
| | |   + 101640 [martindemell] Add % to the list of acceptable method name suffixes? (I'd say we've
| | |     + 101643 [surrender_it] Well, I'd love ruby to stay simple. I have this ugly feeling of ruby
| | |     + 101663 [kristof vlee] I think it will not work with this syntax.
| | |       + 101655 [martindemell] Same peoblem with hashes and blocks now, no?
| | |       + 101688 [michael.camp] Get rid of "poetry mode" and there's no ambiguity.
| | + 101365 [dblack wobbl] I put the little note over on the right in the hope of pre-answering
| + 101330 [kristof vlee] Isn't "3.of { Array.new }" the same as
+ 101322 [news stud.nt] them = 3.times_collect{ Array.new }
  101410 [harryo zip.c] What about
  101414 [surrender_it] them 3.instances_of {'foo'}
  + 101423 [harryo qiqso] Good point!
  | 101426 [quixoticsyco] The "root cause" of this RCR (and others), I think, is the desire to
  | 101475 [gavin refine] Although not as short (or memorable for the usage of    a,b,c = 3.of {
  | 101484 [dmartenson m] 100% agreement.
  | 101486 [WBrown isoft] Or to be even more precise, we could add Integer#to_range, since
  | 101490 [quixoticsyco] I would not use Range because #=== and #exclude_end? and perhaps
  + 101445 [news stud.nt] Couldn't agree more. I also think it is visually too similar to

^ separating ruby-talk from comp.lang.ruby?
101329 [dblack wobbl] Given that the gateway between ruby-talk and comp.lang.ruby is still
+ 101332 [neoneye adsl] I used the newsgroup, but it was a terrible mess, replies wasn't mirrored
| + 101335 [robertm spel] parts.
| + 101337 [bob.news gmx] "Simon Strandgaard" <neoneye@adslhome.dk> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
| | + 101340 [robertm spel] I assume its been tried on another system, using a different NNTP
| | + 101346 [dblack wobbl] It wouldn't be a matter of the list disappearing, just having the list
| | | 101383 [bob.news gmx] "David Alan Black" <dblack@wobblini.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
| | + 101359 [gsinclair so] I could not easily submit to a solution that meant I didn't see
| |   101385 [bob.news gmx] "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@soyabean.com.au> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
| + 101344 [dblack wobbl] If your posts get through to the newsgroup.  For me it doesn't work.
|   101347 [neoneye adsl] I had the impression Google did correct mirroring.. but I have
|   + 101348 [dblack wobbl] No, the missing messages never seem to make it to any NNTP server or
|   + 101619 [tanuk mbnet.] No one has yet suggested Gmane, maybe there is a good reason for that...
|     101617 [decoux moulo] This ?
|     101623 [tanuk mbnet.] Oh, I hadn't checked if this list was already mirrored via Gmane.
|     + 101626 [decoux moulo] I don't know but apparently c.l.r and ruby-talk are separated actually
|     | 101627 [tanuk mbnet.] I've got the impression that every post gets to the ruby-talk, and only
|     | 101629 [decoux moulo] Well actually (since 3 or 4 hours) : I don't see on my news server the
|     + 101682 [curt hibbs.c] Maybe someone could do a comparison of the mirror to see if it is
+ 101336 [angus quovad] [David Alan Black <dblack@wobblini.net>, 2004-05-25 13.23 CEST]
| + 101345 [dblack wobbl] Ummm, OK.  Any suggestions?
| | 101351 [angus quovad] [David Alan Black <dblack@wobblini.net>, 2004-05-25 14.28 CEST]
| + 101350 [surrender_it] I would agree.. And I think  most people do. But the problem seem to
+ 101341 [raphael.baud] I would be more of the opinion to fix the problem. Is there a precise description of the problem
+ 101361 [cpine hellot] Well, I'm all for separating them.  It's been nothing but a pain for quite some time now.
| 101364 [gsinclair so] Yeah, DRY as in "don't create a situation where you need to read a
+ 101371 [crf sbox.tu-] I'm counting 39404 articles since 20030101 from c.l.r in my local archive
| + 101374 [WBrown isoft] Martin,
| + 101386 [bob.news gmx] "Martin Pirker" <crf@sbox.tu-graz.ac.at> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
| + 101429 [matz ruby-la] You can get them from <ftp://ftp.ruby-lang.org/ruby/ML/>.
|   + 101470 [lists zara.6] Btw, how is helium.ruby-lang.org connected to the Internet (how big is
|   | 101511 [matz ruby-la] It's at my company's office connected with 2 1M lines.
|   + 101792 [crf sbox.tu-] got a full copy
|     101794 [dblack wobbl] Over time, yes, but the recent problems are a lot more acute :-) The
|     + 101809 [rohitlodha h] Sorry to repeat, but the way GMANE.org works it should be okay.
|     + 101871 [bob.news gmx] "David A. Black" <dblack@wobblini.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
|     | 101883 [dblack wobbl] I sent Dennis comparative sets of headers a few months ago, when all
|     | 101970 [bob.news gmx] "David Alan Black" <dblack@wobblini.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
|     | 102007 [dooby d10.ka] ============================================================
|     | 102018 [dooby d10.ka] ====================================================================
|     | 102101 [bob.news gmx] "daz" <dooby@d10.karoo.co.uk> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
|     | 102335 [dooby d10.ka] <Late response>
|     | + 102362 [bob.news gmx] "daz" <dooby@d10.karoo.co.uk> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
|     | + 102376 [trash philke] I still don't think that the `References' header should be a problem,
|     |   102377 [dblack wobbl] But doesn't the above indicate that it's "required for all follow-up
|     |   + 102394 [trash philke] Sorry. I thought I read that it's required on every message. So the newsserver
|     |   + 102402 [dooby d10.ka] I don't try to confuse :-(
|     + 101915 [crf sbox.tu-] ok, rerun
+ 101388 [ptkwt aracne] Personally, I think there is already too much fragmentation in Ruby-land.
| + 101390 [carl youngbl] One other important thing to keep in mind is that some of us are forced
| | + 101434 [rohitlodha h] How is GMANE.org .We can try it.
| | + 101506 [sven_schott ] Hear ,hear. I'm on the mailing list because of the those very reasons.
| + 101391 [dblack wobbl] That's already the case, though; if you're not reading ruby-talk,
| | 101459 [sroberts cer] Aren't there a million-and-a-half mail to news gateway implementations
| | 101478 [dblack wobbl] I don't think it's the gateway code.  It's worked for years, basically
| | 101485 [sean celsoft] Check Google.
| | 101487 [hal9000 hype] There have been problems and bug fixes over the years, of course.
| | 101499 [sean celsoft] What I mean is, 3 years of problems are enough.  Whatever the reason, the ML
| | 101502 [carl youngbl] Because I don't want to be isolated from some of you Ruby geniuses just
| | 101507 [ruby-talk wh] There are tons of news servers that have public access to the news group.
| | + 101510 [carl youngbl] Proxy settings keep me from accessing NNTP servers.  My only choice is
| | + 101533 [curt hibbs.c] I looked at this list excitedly, only to be sorely disappointed. There is
| |   101557 [ruby-talk wh] I'm using the netlab.jp server and it seems fine.  Posted earlier and
| |   + 101560 [app1tam ups.] Here, here, hear, hear.  No NNTP here.
| |   | 101565 [dblack wobbl] OK... but let me clarify: this isn't about the question of which is
| |   | 101569 [dave pragpro] I very much regret that this discussion is happening.
| |   | 101571 [dblack wobbl] It's kind of the other way around: if I send a message that initiates
| |   | 101616 [dblack wobbl] the mail side.  I'd thought it was more the other direction, but it
| |   | + 101684 [decoux moulo] It's broken since 26/05/2004 -- 16h00 (approx.)
| |   | | 101698 [bob.news gmx] "ts" <decoux@moulon.inra.fr> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
| |   | | 101699 [decoux moulo] MTZ : moulon time zone
| |   | + 101686 [dave pragpro] So, see if these missing articles are making it to the news server used
| |   | | + 101691 [dblack wobbl] Of course, right after posting that, I got an influx of about 30+
| |   | | + 101890 [dblack wobbl] Sorry everyone, testing again....  small meaningless tweak to
| |   | |   + 101891 [decoux moulo] What is the difference : the header Sender: ?
| |   | |   | 101893 [dblack wobbl] Yes.  I'm not claiming it's an intelligent idea :-) Just trying
| |   | |   | 101894 [hal9000 hype] What, if any, are the differences in headers between messages
| |   | |   | 101896 [dblack wobbl] None that I've been able to spot.  For samples: ruby-talk 101880 got
| |   | |   | 101905 [angus quovad] ["David A. Black" <dblack@wobblini.net>, 2004-05-31 18.25 CEST]
| |   | |   | 101909 [angus quovad] [Carlos <angus@quovadis.com.ar>, 2004-05-31 19.57 CEST]
| |   | |   | + 101911 [beast system] Well, technically it's 'folding', used to ensure that headers doesn't
| |   | |   | | 101916 [dooby d10.ka] Many headers fold.  They're O.K.
| |   | |   | + 101917 [dblack wobbl] Thanks for the info, but that's not it.  It appears to be
| |   | |   |   101946 [joaopedrosa ] All my messages don't reach the newsgroups as well.
| |   | |   + 101948 [dooby d10.ka] Mirrored using mail2news.rb (the version you sent me - unmodified).
| |   | |     + 101950 [dblack wobbl] OK... so the appearance of that msg on the newgroup was because you
| |   | |     | 102009 [dooby d10.ka] There was some evidence in the headers ...
| |   | |     + 101957 [quixoticsyco] I do not know if this is related or relevant, but I often
| |   | |       101959 [joaopedrosa ] Me too. I always wondered if I was the only one :-)
| |   | |       101990 [dblack wobbl] If this gets through to comp.lang.ruby, then it's possible that the
| |   | + 101712 [bg-rubytalk ] For those of us who are interested in the matter, but aren't aware of
| |   |   + 101775 [bob.news gmx] "Ben Giddings" <bg-rubytalk@infofiend.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
| |   |   + 101781 [dooby d10.ka] Your 'fire and forget' description makes me think you've been looking :-)
| |   |     101931 [dooby d10.ka] There were problems last year which were fixed by using the more
| |   |     + 101933 [dblack wobbl] I've got a request in to Dennis for log files, but I am almost certain
| |   |     + 101969 [bob.news gmx] "daz" <dooby@d10.karoo.co.uk> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
| |   |     | 102008 [dooby d10.ka] Definitely not.  In ML to NG direction, *all* mails should be mirrored
| |   |     | 102010 [bob.news gmx] "daz" <dooby@d10.karoo.co.uk> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
| |   |     | 102012 [decoux moulo] Well, for me, your response to "daz" <dooby@d10.karoo.co.uk> was
| |   |     | + 102013 [dblack wobbl] I think that was a different one.  The one that seems to be missing started
| |   |     | + 102014 [bob.news gmx] "ts" <decoux@moulon.inra.fr> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
| |   |     |   102015 [decoux moulo] No, I don't see it
| |   |     + 101979 [dblack wobbl] Here's a bit of an IRC exchange I had with Dennis in April which
| |   + 101568 [curt hibbs.c] I was basing this on the reported stats. Thanks for your recommendation,
| + 101471 [lists zara.6] Agreed, but only in terms of the various websites for Ruby resources
+ 101621 [androflux so] I think mirroring the newsgroup and the mailing list is great. Just
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