From ruby-talk-admin@ruby-lang.org Thu Dec 15 23:45:16 2005 Received: from kankan.nagaokaut.ac.jp (kankan.nagaokaut.ac.jp [133.44.2.24]) by blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id jBFEjFZk021487; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:45:15 +0900 Received: from funfun.nagaokaut.ac.jp (funfun.nagaokaut.ac.jp [133.44.2.201]) by kankan.nagaokaut.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C9105A76; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:45:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (localhost.nagaokaut.ac.jp [127.0.0.1]) by funfun.nagaokaut.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B869F04847; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:45:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from voscc.nagaokaut.ac.jp (voscc.nagaokaut.ac.jp [133.44.1.100]) by funfun.nagaokaut.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1A3CF04846; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:45:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from beryllium.ruby-lang.org (beryllium.ruby-lang.org [210.163.138.100]) by voscc.nagaokaut.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81526630033; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:45:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from beryllium.ruby-lang.org (beryllium.ruby-lang.org [127.0.0.1]) by beryllium.ruby-lang.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26A6233AFA; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:45:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (beryllium.ruby-lang.org [127.0.0.1]) by beryllium.ruby-lang.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88AC233C27 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:45:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from beryllium.ruby-lang.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (beryllium.ruby-lang.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02686-09 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:45:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.isoco.com (terremoto.isoco.net [62.81.148.13]) by beryllium.ruby-lang.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 189D733AFA for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:45:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.isoco.com (Postfix-Nx) with ESMTP id 6A38627673 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:44:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp.isoco.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (terremoto.isoco.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12813-04 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:44:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from intranet.isoco.net (vinson.isoco.net [172.16.0.45]) by smtp.isoco.com (Postfix-Nx) with ESMTP id E40662766F for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:44:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from [172.16.1.38] (fxnw.bcn.isoco.net [172.16.1.38]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by intranet.isoco.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B180F4DD8C for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:44:53 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:45:06 +0900 Posted: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:44:50 +0100 From: Xavier Noria Reply-To: ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org Subject: Re: Forthcoming 2nd ed. of _The Ruby Way_ To: ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org (ruby-talk ML) Message-Id: <46C203DE-947D-4A5C-A31B-26E68FB9F060@hashref.com> In-Reply-To: <1134655968.140192.205720@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1134601217.746672.19760@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1134655968.140192.205720@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> X-ML-Name: ruby-talk X-Mail-Count: 37 X-MLServer: fml [fml 4.0.3 release (20011202/4.0.3)]; post only (only members can post) X-ML-Info: If you have a question, send e-mail with the body "help" (without quotes) to the address ruby-talk-ctl@ruby-lang.org; help= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Original-To: ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at ruby-lang.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on beryllium.ruby-lang.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.8 required=7.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,BLARS00, BLARS_SPAM00,CONTENT_TYPE_PRESENT,RCVDFRMLOCALIP,RCVD_IN_BLARS, RCVD_IN_BLARS_SPAM,X_MAILER_PRESENT autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Lines: 20 List-Id: ruby-talk.ruby-lang.org List-Software: fml [fml 4.0.3 release (20011202/4.0.3)] List-Post: List-Owner: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020531 On Dec 15, 2005, at 15:17, Doug H wrote: > I'd recommend the exact opposite. If you ignore the libraries and GUI > toolkits, the book is virtually useless. Most people are using > ruby to > develop _applications_, not to learn programming for programming's > sake. I agree with the other poster about the expectations the title creates. I readed the book and was useful for me because i was learning, practical issues are addressed, and you are exposed to idiomatic Ruby. But I would expect it to evolve to explain "The Ruby Way" of programming, so my vote goes there. Explaining libraries and toolkits is certainly useful, but a topic for a different book in my opinion. -- fxn