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Delivered-To: ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:17:40 +0900 Posted: 15 Dec 2005 06:12:48 -0800 From: "Doug H" Reply-To: ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org Subject: Re: Forthcoming 2nd ed. of _The Ruby Way_ To: ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org (ruby-talk ML) Message-Id: <1134655968.140192.205720@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: <1134601217.746672.19760@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> X-ML-Name: ruby-talk X-Mail-Count: 32 X-MLServer: fml [fml 4.0.3 release (20011202/4.0.3)]; post only (only members can post) X-ML-Info: If you have a question, send e-mail with the body "help" (without quotes) to the address ruby-talk-ctl@ruby-lang.org; help= User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-Original-To: ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org Path: noris.net!news.n-ix.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!news.tiscali.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.cw.net!cw.net!news-FFM2.ecrc.de!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ruby Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.138.34.148 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1134655973 23980 127.0.0.1 (15 Dec 2005 14:12:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:12:53 +0000 (UTC) X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 Firefox/1.0.7,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=69.138.34.148; posting-account=jOmRxw0AAAASH-xmYwM9B2LAF8vHBBof X-From-Usenet: see Received: header above. X-rubymirror: yes X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at ruby-lang.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on beryllium.ruby-lang.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.6 required=7.0 tests=BAYES_00,BLARS00, BLARS_SPAM00,CONTENT_TYPE_PRESENT,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER,QENCPTR1, RCVDFRMLOCALIP,RCVD_IN_BLARS,RCVD_IN_BLARS_SPAM autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Precedence: bulk Lines: 5 List-Id: ruby-talk.ruby-lang.org List-Software: fml [fml 4.0.3 release (20011202/4.0.3)] List-Post: List-Owner: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020531 I'd recommend the exact opposite. If you ignore the libraries and GUI toolkits, the book is virtually useless. Most people are using ruby to develop _applications_, not to learn programming for programming's sake.