Gee, THis whole discussion reminds me of ones we used to have on comp.lang.python about 10 years ago, 'cept then it was Python vs. Tcl instead of Ruby vs. Python. Moral of the story -- if it works for you, keep coding in it. If enough people agree with you (like the lang too) it will catch on. People thought I was crazy ten years ago writing stuff in this obscure Python language nobody ever heard of. Now my colleagues are asking me for recs on Python books. Good luck to you guys, Ruby looks pretty cool! JT