Interesting blog post from a Pythonista on "Linguistic Simplicity," and why Ruby fails to pass muster. http://toulouse.amber.org/archives/2003/08/21/linguistic_simplicity.html And, please, this is not an invitation to a flame war or general grousing. Read it to see how others perceive Ruby. If you think the author has misrepresented something, post a polite comment to his blog. (And if you think the preceding comments were obvious, then my apologies.) James