What we need is a code snippet that is excessively long and obfuscate in Perl, such as a single line of code which has to wrap around the t-shirt to be completed (with all the @ and $ symbols, etc.), and then do the same in Ruby underneath... which only takes a fraction of the width of the front side of the shirt. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus