----- Original Message ----- From: "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair / soyabean.com.au> > What happened to Range#length and Range#size? They disappeared, amidst some discussion in this group, a little while ago. A search of the archives should help. ---------------------------- <remembers> Ahhh... Well, it's a shame that something wasn't put in to refer to the last actual element in the range. That's actually all I want. As I said, #end, #last, and #max all return `99' for both 3..99 and 3...99. Oh, well. Nothing a good ``last - (exclude_end? ? 1 : 0)'' can't handle. :) Chris