This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------ extPart_000_004D_01C2C61E.77438F30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset s-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel, Thanks for your comments. I'll do a little snipping to keep this short but still respond to your questions. Re: domain, no I do not think it would be a good idea to purchase and then decide. I mean to simply to take a lead role, collect suggestions from others, evaluate that they are available, and produce a list of 5 - 10. > The target audience is probably "anyone who develops in Ruby". > On a second level I'd put people looking for programs made with Ruby. This is helpful, and although may seem obvious is probably worth stating now and again to keep us all in check. I'm curious why people looking for programs made with Ruby is on 2nd level? Would this site be the *main* site they would look for Ruby applications? > I agree with "newgie developers". But how can a computer language be used > by non developers? As for "marketing", how would you use RAA for marketing Ruby? I'd like to know. What i mean by this is that sometimes people who develop in Ruby are not the decision makers on the development architecture. Many times, in fact, the person in charge of that decision is not even a technical decision maker. So, a developer may need to help "sell" on the advantages of Ruby (in non-technical terms). Sun does a decent job of this with Java and Microsoft does a good job with VB. Ruby, being new and unproven in many ways, needs to do an even better job to maximize it's potential. For instance, I would suggest (and even volunteer to write) some 1-2 page case studies. I have seen a site with some positive remarks from users (about a paragraph each), but I think we need more detail. In addition, the site can significantly help developers promote their Ruby applications by singing the praises of the language and the cost benefit to using Ruby. I have a friend who works for Yahoo Singapore who does a lot of PERL and C++ development. I was telling her about Ruby and I made a statement that in many cases the extra costs of CPU and memory (implying that Ruby would use more than PERL or C++ or C) can be easily negated by adding up the savings in development time. Now, I also made the qualification that busy sites like Yahoo! might need every bit of speed from C and PERL. But she still had a lot of questions for me to answer. I defended my statement on the fly, but having a URL displaying the results of a well thought out business case with supporting information can be very powerful. Suffice it to say, because of my marketing perspective I think of Ruby not only as a development language, but as a product platform. For instance, wouldn't it be nice of some of the larger technical training centers began offering classes in Ruby? Who will help convince colleges and universities to offer these classes (do they already?)? Even if we wait for "demand" on these issues, we can help those interested by supplying supporting (marketing) material. A marketing strategy can also be developed in parallel with the core language strategy and the distribution strategy (which is what I think the RAA is about right now). > Wouldn't it be confusing to have two different RAA's? > Do you think it's possible to provide all features in the same place? Absolutely. I did not mean to convey that message at all. I just mean the same information can be represented on a single web site in multiple ways. > I'm not sure that the Ruby community is large enough to have > an discussion > list dedicated to RAA. For questions/answers, there is ruby-talk. Fair enough. What I do think would be helpful is to have a list that is dedicated to question/answers for Ruby development. Also, if ruby-talk is something different than this list I am posting on now, then there is something I don't know about, which is highly likely. For example, there are probably many users who have questions about certain modules, etc.. who wish they didn't have to recieve or read this message. :-) Thanks for your reply, Daniel. I want to do my best to help. -Dwayne P.S. To you knowledge, is anyone taking a lead role in finding a domain? ------ extPart_000_004D_01C2C61E.77438F30 Content-Type: text/html; charset s-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=Windows-1252"> <META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 6.0.6249.1"> <TITLE>RE: Organizing our efforts, as well as the modules itself.</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <!-- Converted from text/plain format --> <P><FONT SIZE=2>Daniel,</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=2>Thanks for your comments. I'll do a little snipping to keep this short but still respond to your questions.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=2>Re: domain, no I do not think it would be a good idea to purchase and then decide. I mean to simply to take a lead role, collect suggestions from others, evaluate that they are available, and produce a list of 5 - 10.</FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=2>> The target audience is probably "anyone who develops in Ruby".</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> On a second level I'd put people looking for programs made with Ruby.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>This is helpful, and although may seem obvious is probably worth stating now and again to keep us all in check. I'm curious why people looking for programs made with Ruby is on 2nd level? Would this site be the *main* site they would look for Ruby applications?</FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=2>> I agree with "newgie developers". But how can a computer language be used </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> by non developers? As for "marketing", how would you use RAA for marketing Ruby? I'd like to know.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=2>What i mean by this is that sometimes people who develop in Ruby are not the decision makers on the development architecture. Many times, in fact, the person in charge of that decision is not even a technical decision maker. So, a developer may need to help "sell" on the advantages of Ruby (in non-technical terms). Sun does a decent job of this with Java and Microsoft does a good job with VB. Ruby, being new and unproven in many ways, needs to do an even better job to maximize it's potential. For instance, I would suggest (and even volunteer to write) some 1-2 page case studies. I have seen a site with some positive remarks from users (about a paragraph each), but I think we need more detail.</FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=2>In addition, the site can significantly help developers promote their Ruby applications by singing the praises of the language and the cost benefit to using Ruby. I have a friend who works for Yahoo Singapore who does a lot of PERL and C++ development. I was telling her about Ruby and I made a statement that in many cases the extra costs of CPU and memory (implying that Ruby would use more than PERL or C++ or C) can be easily negated by adding up the savings in development time. Now, I also made the qualification that busy sites like Yahoo! might need every bit of speed from C and PERL. But she still had a lot of questions for me to answer. I defended my statement on the fly, but having a URL displaying the results of a well thought out business case with supporting information can be very powerful.</FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=2>Suffice it to say, because of my marketing perspective I think of Ruby not only as a development language, but as a product platform. For instance, wouldn't it be nice of some of the larger technical training centers began offering classes in Ruby? Who will help convince colleges and universities to offer these classes (do they already?)? Even if we wait for "demand" on these issues, we can help those interested by supplying supporting (marketing) material. A marketing strategy can also be developed in parallel with the core language strategy and the distribution strategy (which is what I think the RAA is about right now).</FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=2>> Wouldn't it be confusing to have two different RAA's?</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Do you think it's possible to provide all features in the same place?</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=2>Absolutely. I did not mean to convey that message at all. I just mean the same information can be represented on a single web site in multiple ways. </FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=2> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> I'm not sure that the Ruby community is large enough to have </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> an discussion </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> list dedicated to RAA. For questions/answers, there is ruby-talk.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Fair enough. What I do think would be helpful is to have a list that is dedicated to question/answers for Ruby development. Also, if ruby-talk is something different than this list I am posting on now, then there is something I don't know about, which is highly likely. For example, there are probably many users who have questions about certain modules, etc.. who wish they didn't have to recieve or read this message. :-)</FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=2>Thanks for your reply, Daniel. I want to do my best to help.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=2>-Dwayne</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=2>P.S. To you knowledge, is anyone taking a lead role in finding a domain?</FONT> </P> </BODY> </HTML> ------ extPart_000_004D_01C2C61E.77438F30--