And some of us non comp. sci. students can't afford to go to school 
while we work as sysadmins and pastor (insert other second job) and 
teaching college class (insert other third job here).

I love comp. sci. grads / students because they can use their skills and 
knowledge to help enrich mine while I reciprocate, so we aren't all 
dependent on the money grubbing universities for all the knowledge we 
need to function and improve.

I know that some "programmers" are self taught and damn good. I know 
that many are not... but remember a lot of us don't consider ourselves 
"programmers" we are often people who program needed things from time to 
time for our main jobs.

And thus we all want ruby :)

Jason

Michael Campbell wrote:

>> ... This
>>indicates to me that there are many schools these days which don't
>>make
>>the effort to teach these basic concepts to their computer science
>>students.  The fault is with these schools, and that's sad.
>>    
>>
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>Hear hear.  
>
>Part of the problem though is that so, so many people aren't comp.
>sci. students at all.  (to whit: the almost clocklike regularity of 
>threads disparaging said comp. sci. grads)
>
>Hell, why go to college when programming is such an "art" and formal
>education only teaches what you can't do?!  (sorry, </rant>)
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