In article <20021211222925.B84560 / freeze.org>, Jim Freeze <jim / freeze.org> wrote: >On Thursday, 12 December 2002 at 12:03:52 +0900, Phil Tomson wrote: >> In article <20021211184131.A84073 / freeze.org>, >> Jim Freeze <jim / freeze.org> wrote: >> >On Thursday, 12 December 2002 at 7:42:00 +0900, Shannon Fang wrote: >> > >> >I have given two presentations on Ruby at my work. It was received much >> >better than I anticipated. >> >> However just to show that YMMV: I gave a presentation on Ruby to my group >> at the same company that Jim works at (different location) about 1.5 years >> ago and it was NOT received well. > > And it had nothing to do with Phil's abilities, no matter what he says. :) Well, yeah, your presentation might have been a lot better ;-) You probably used PowerPoint for your presentation, I used HTML so that would have made a difference ;-) (actually, the sad truth is that some of the folks I gave my Ruby presentation to did complain that it wasn't done in PowerPoint - "PowerPoint is the company standard for presentations!" ) > Seriously, I think Phil was up against the pointy haired manager that > wanted to get promoted. Very scary... A PowerPointy Haired Manager ;-) > >> >I used to get "Only you know Ruby", to >> >which I would respond, "Any programmer here after 2 days will know >> >Ruby better than they currently know Perl". >> >> I think this is really true. That's certainly how I recall feeling after >> moving from Perl to Ruby (more comfortable in Ruby after a couple of >> days). > >Well it doesn't help perl when I can say that I have programmed in perl >for 5 years, and now that I have switched to ruby 2 yrs ago, I can >hardly remember anything about perl. I have exactly the same experience (well, it was six years of Perl for me) - I don't want to remember the pain... you can't make me!! Actually, I've signed up to do a Ruby presentation that the Portland Perl Monger's meeting next month so I'm gonna have to remember some Perl to show them some comparison examples. (BTW: They're pretty receptive to Ruby over there at the Portland Perl Mongers - invade your local Perl Monger's meetings!) >It's like when you have a bad >experience and your mind blocks it from your memory. Man, I wonder if >someone in the future undergoing hypnosis could suffer severe >psychological trauma if they uncovered their old perl memories? ;) Repressed memory syndrome... > >Tis true of perl: When I wrote the code, only myself and God knew > what it said. Now (1 week later) only God knows. ;-) Phil -- "Or perhaps the truth is less interesting than the facts?" Amy Weiss (accusing theregister.co.uk of engaging in 'tabloid journalism') Senior VP, Communications Recording Industry Association of America