i think that creating of maillist named ruby-chat or ruby.beyond is not the best way to separate traffic. noone thinks that his interests is "beyond" of ruby or he just chatting and stole time of another subscribers my personal interests is 1) improvement of language by implementing common usage patterns in ruby itself 2) changes to language desirable to work on large projects 3) language design principles - area where i and Pixel (and Matz?) can answer to your questions as interest to ruby grows, this maillist grows too. may be it's time to send ruby progress group to separate maillist -- Best regards, Bulat mailto:bulatz / integ.ru