On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 05:01:34AM +0900, William Djaja Tjokroaminata wrote: > Oh, yes, yes, that was exactly what I meant when I reffered to putting the > object/VALUE on the stack. (Beside, what good is to put the actual object > on the stack? The gc just scans the stack for VALUE detection.) In that case, if you really have a single outer object holding thousands of inner objects, then a two-step initialization might be best. This is how an Array works; you first create the Array, and after it is created, you put objects into the Array. Paul