On 18 Sep 2002 10:37:15 -0700, gmnotyet / yahoo.com (J Hall) wrote: >but was looking for something >more tutorail in nature Different publisher and awful title, but Mark Slagell's "Teach yourself Ruby in 21 days" is a "tutorial-type-of" book targeted at mostly beginners. I haven't seen the two books that you mentioned, but Mark's paperback might be worth a look. (I most definitely enjoyed it and it was the book that greatly helped me to get into Ruby -- but unlike many here, I do not have a perl/python/java background.) -M. -- To e-mail: use the initials of my name and add "at felinism dot com".