After thinking about it a bit, I guess my proposal (at www.rubygarden.org) for getting a pack() template length was too Perl-ish. However, there was only feedback from one person, so I thought I'd ask here. How do people feel about a separate class for pack templates (being added to the core librar, I mean)? Or is there a simple way to get this information after all that I've missed? Regards, Dan