--qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:25:03AM +0900, Marc Heiler wrote: > > > > Some instructions for installing from DEB and RPM packages, or > > batch/shell scripts that automate it somewhat, would be nice too. > > While it should generally be assumed that users of Linux distributions > > that use DEB and RPM packages by default know how to use the > > provided tools to install from the standard archives, installing > > software from outside those archives is a different story, and > > is sometimes quite nonobvious to end users. I said that. > > Do you really want to invest your time to teach people how to > use distribution specific solutions? Debian has been known to > aggressively cripple packages like ruby into oblivion. > > There is only one true way to use ruby, which is to man up and > compile it from source. > > Everyone else should be left alone to the distribution and stick > to the mess these Distributions made for them. Distributions claim > to make the life easier, so they should either stick to the > distribution or compile from source. translation: "Ruby has too many users. We don't need people who want to make things relatively easy." > > > > Let the users worry about how their systems are managed. That's > > why package management/installers exist, after all! I didn't say that. > > No. Package management the way it is done is a huge problem. > > Distributions purposely become incompatible with one another. > > Once a user leaves that path, he is on his own. > > Distributions are evil. > > To recommend them to stick to their distribution is playing the > devil's advocate. How do you do things? Do you start by compiling a Linux kernel from sources at Kernel.org? Do you use FreeBSD? I'm curious. > > > > For users who have changed the default behavior of the system, I > > agree, but for those who are using the system as it is delivered > > to end users I sympathize with the desire to make things as > > seamless as possible. This can be important if for no other > > purpose than reaching as many users as one reasonably can. I said that. > > Again, if idiots that create a Distribution make the life of users > AND developers harder, it is time to tell the users to start > using their brains rather than subjugate to the tyranny of stupid > decisions made within a distribution. > > They purposely cripple packages for everyone, for no real valid > reason whatsoever. > > They purposely remain incompatible with one another (don't get me > started on the joke of LSB). > > Let Distributions rot. > > And by the way, Michal Suchanek asked a simple question. It would > be polite to not ask "why he is doing it", but to either answer > the question, or not - and not try dilute the problem to another > domain like Mr. Gawlowski tried. I'm not entirely sure what all that has to do with what I said. By the way, it might be nice if there were some quote attribution in your replies so that readers would know who said what. It's the polite thing to do. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk5yIDYACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKW3JwCfS4Ts7cDLAYk1/f7vbGLe+zld UVEAn0MLENPJaB4rL4UivXmGE78M2fER +ly -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS--