hi there - the documentation can be slow to load, but as Grant mentioned - simply reloading the page a few times usually gets you there. i also agree with Marc that the documentation for gtk2, although outdated, is much better than what is generally available for other toolkits. i found the samples in the "samples" directory of gtk2 (go figure...) to be extremely helpful. between the samples and the web documentation, i found gtk2 to be pretty easy to pick up. here's a link to the audio player i worked out with gtk2 - maybe it can serve as another example: http://rubyforge.org/projects/rubywax/ (screenshot attached to this post, i haven't got it up on rubyforge yet...) there's also the gnome2 section of this forum, which is a great place to ask questions specific to gtk2... cheers, j Attachments: http://www.ruby-forum.com/attachment/6190/rubyWax.jpg -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.