It's interesting. Programming ruby was one of the first english ruby books and doesn't fall into the ruby (after rails popularity) money grab.. My diatribe was not specifically with that book. Though I do find it to be a bit redundant now that we have Matz' book. Also the Ruby language is unique enough that it shouldn't be grokked purely from a reference manual style book. There are deeper concepts and paradigm shifts in ruby that go beyond your basic object oriented and functional languages. I am also not alone with my opinion: http://www.ruby-doc.org/bookstore/ Of course the first edition is online for the OPS review: http://www.ruby-doc.org/docs/ProgrammingRuby/ I still stand by my suggestions. Both TWGR and MR deal purely on paradigm. Everything else seems like learning C from a book that avoids showing your pointers or even worse never gets into data structures. On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:12 PM, James Edward Gray II <james / graysoftinc.com> wrote: > On Dec 7, 2010, at 8:53 PM, Stu wrote: > >> The rest are crap or so called cookbooks created for a money grab a >> couple of years ago. > > I definitely do not agree. ¨Â ìïöå ÐòïçòáííéîÒõâù áîíáîù ïôèåòó> > James Edward Gray II > >