Not trying to do anything other than experiment. I was playing with for the first time today and the book I'm readin said the view had access to the controller's instance variables. I was trying to find out what other instance variables/values the view could access. in the erb file id put this code in: <% self.instance_variables.each do |var| %> <%= h(var) %> <%end%> And it gave me a list of the instance variables without values... just trying to learn by experimenting. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.