Bob Alexander <balexander / rsv.ricoh.com> wrote in message news:<3C8EC7F5.A4B702C7 / rsv.ricoh.com>... [ good point, but snip!] > It is a nuisance to almost always have to explicitly skip them when > scanning a directory: > > for entry in Dir.entries("myDir") > next if ["..", "."].include?(entry) > ... > end > > Can someone suggest an argument as to why having them in the listed > entries is useful? This is really the core of the problem. Adding a cost to every directory listing b/c of 2 (rare?) special cases doesn't make sense to me, and doesn't seem to fit into the way Ruby usually works. I would like to add that just b/c the base filesystem does something does not mean Ruby needs to follow. Ruby gets a big win over java b/c it doesn't really care whether you use "/" or "\" as file seperators on Win32; Java forces you to figure out what the system.ridiculously.wordy.path.seperator.variable is to build paths in a cross platform manner. Since we have a object that can have accessors like Dir.cwd (or Dir.current) or Dir.parent, I don't see the need to cling to archaic "special" files to get us around the filesystem. Finally, I feel like Ruby generally proves that making things simpler tends to find the right abstractions. I say try explaining the two methods of getting the parent directory to your significant other, and pick the one s/he understood more easily :-) ~ Patrick