yes the offer of working with a 3rd party to make clone-able fully functioning - closed loop demos stands. the need to communicate has been lowered a few levels as sense has been made of things. exciting it is: .....probably, mostly, (putting thunk in the shoes of the Ruby Community) because it would demonstrate a simple thing in a simple way... ......confusing it is because it is not a gem, and it is not a rails alternative ......confusing it is because it is bigger than a breadbox, in fact has 8 or so modules of about breadbox size .....confusing it is to thunk: because he would like to see it become something he knows it should become but the 100% straight up - show us your code approach at this point does not make sense for ANYBODY ........confusing it is because some "trivial" things like saving "files" are complex and thunk would need help to turn the EXPERT SESSION into a web app that it needs to be (and he has done already using Wee for domain#2) ..........confusing it is because people he knows to be at least 10X smarter than old thunk have not figured out what this is, which indicates that it isn't done, which further confuses things. enough confusion shared? how about this. after 15 years of not contacting anybody in his field of Statistical Control work he contacted Mitutoyo yesterday. True story. The useless dumb ineffective politico he was about to fire is in charge of their IT (aurora) and does't care to hear about anything new. true story, i swear an oath on it