Josh, you go to great effort to help a novice programmer, right? so you have this 32+ plus year programmer that has seen a few things, helped grown a new industry (first bitmapped, first DB'd, first new class of product) and he IS NOT ABOUT selling anything..... and you don't know how to deal with an "outlier", but how else would you explain this, huh? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlier and ol' thunk is not ashamed of this or should he be?