if there is a loop 35.times do |i| print i # do something here... end it is nice except i hope to count down the "i"... it can be print 35 - i but then if the number needs to be 36 then i need to change both places. or it can be 35.downto(1) do |i| but doing so feel like needing to do some counting... 1 to 35 is in fact 35 times... so that's good if 35.times can go decrement that would be nice too. thanks. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.