On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Aaron Patterson <aaron / tenderlovemaking.com> wrote: > You don't have to set up your environment to point at the JVM? How hard > is it to find, download, and install the JVM? How about the same steps > for JRuby? Of course we're talking past your point now (my fault, I didn't get the joke), but you mention below the JRuby+JRE installer. So the above steps would be reduced to two: download JRuby+JRE installer from jruby.com; run it. > I only had to "unpack MRI" to install it, and somehow it took way more > than 1 step. Yeah, I didn't get that it was a shot against Windows...I should have looked at all the screenshots :) >> With JRuby 1.4, there's even an installer that can do those two steps >> in one shot, plus tweak your PATH. And JRuby 1.4 will have a native >> jruby.exe as well. > > Tweaking your PATH isn't a step? I'm confused again... It's an optional step we leave to up to users on *nixes because they all have their own preferences (future installers may do PATH juggling for *nix users too). On Windows, we just set it, since more people there get confused if we don't (and it's a pretty gross process to alter it.) > I installed JRuby 1.4 that included the JRE. It was exactly 1 step less > than installing MRI on windows. But the limit of (n - 1) as n > approaches infinity is still infinite. Believe me, I felt like I was > approaching infinity. No doubt...we spend a *lot* of time trying to support Windows, which is why we have an installer and a native jruby.exe for the 1.4 release. Windows is just so painful to cope with. I understand why ruby core doesn't have enough resources to keep it working well and build things like installers for it. > I would reproduce my last email with JRuby, but this was a dig on > windows, not JRuby. Next time I'll more clearly indicate that I'm > trying to be funny. I'll also say "MacRuby" instead of "JRuby". ;-) Yeah, I get that, but the connotation I read (me being overly sensitive to such things, to be sure) was that it would be even *worse* trying to install JRuby for no clear reason. It's not, and so I often feel the need to address unintentional FUD. But I withdraw, at any rate, since we're pretty far off from your actual point now :) - Charlie