Hi -- On Fri, 31 Jul 2009, Lloyd Linklater wrote: > I have the answer. fyi, it is that > > doSomething until condition > > does not work at all like > > begin doSomething end until condition > > In the first case, the condition is checked BEFORE the doSomething is > run. In the second case, the condition is checked AFTER the doSomething > is run. I am not sure just why this is or how I could have figured it > out intuitively. It seems to me that it would be better to have > something like this (to mimic pascal) You didn't have to figure it out intuitively; I told you on Saturday :-) (Though I garbled my example a bit.) > doSomething while condition #check condition before > > doSomething until condition #check condition after I suspect Ruby got the idiom from Perl, and/or from the way similar language would be used in English. I'm not sure about the above in Pascal (a quick look at several sources doesn't show either of those constructs), but I don't think you'd want the while/until difference to make the difference between the order of execution like that. The difference should only be whether condition is being checked for truth or falsehood. In other word: statement while condition and statement until (not condition) should always be the same. David -- David A. Black / Ruby Power and Light, LLC / http://www.rubypal.com Q: What's the best way to get a really solid knowledge of Ruby? A: Come to our Ruby training in Edison, New Jersey, September 14-17! Instructors: David A. Black and Erik Kastner More info and registration: http://rubyurl.com/vmzN