marc wrote:
> James Britt wrote:
>
>   
>> marc wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Might I suggest that when you have a lot more experience, and spend more
>>> time coding, then the advantages will become very clear.
>>>
>>>       
>> Please avoid personal attacks.
>>
>> Disagreement with your preferences != lack of experience, and it's rude 
>> to suggest it.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>     
>
> He stated that he was inexperienced - he used the term "absolute
> amateur" - so I suggested - note the use of the word - that with a bit
> more experience he might further his knowledge. There was no ad
> hominem in what I said, unlike what you just wrote; but I'll put that
> down to a lack of experience too.
>
>   
James, I'm a big fan of yours, but I'm also keenly aware of poorly 
constructed arguments (e.g., ad hominem it bastard brothers). I think I 
have to agree with Marc here. I think he was making a legitimate 
proposition - in form if not in substance. He may be right, but I cannot 
confirm it. And I don't see any hint of ad hominem here. We DO see 
things through the lense of our experience. We have little choice.

I will say, however, that after working with a number of IDE's, and 
rather enjoying them for their "gee whiz" appeal - all those tools, and 
such - retreating from the disaster that Aptana was for a while to mere 
jEdit and the CLI was a breath of fresh air for me. I felt, and still 
feel, MUCH more directly engaged, and I've gotten a ton of work done 
with these tools.

I strongly believe in keeping things as simple as possible. And I should 
also mention that while I've designed and run a number of websites, I do 
not use Rails and am not likely to. I can see how with Rails something 
like Aptana or Netbeans might be peachy. Netbeans might be terrific also 
if one was using jruby, which certainly does have some nice 
features...but not for me.

Gotta fit the tools to the guy, and his needs, I suspect.

I just don't have time to let things get to complex, and that 
undoubtedly drives my preferences.

And I still think beginners should learn to run things without an IDE, 
then migrate to that more complex world if it makes sense.

Tom

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