On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Bill Kelly<billk / cts.com> wrote:
>
> From: "Robert Klemme" <shortcutter / googlemail.com>
>>
>> Actually, IMHO this is wrong for two reasons: first, you can read GMail
>> via POP or IMAP.
>
> Oh.  ¨Βιδξ§λξοχ τθαττθαξλσ>
>>  ¨Βεγοξδ¬ ΗΝαιμ§σπαν ζιμτεςιξισ πςεττω ηοοδ αξβεμιεφωους σπαν
>> marks train the filter.  ¨Β βεμιεφατ μεασιξ τθεοςω σπαν ζιμτες οζναιμ πςοφιδες χιτθ χεαγγεσσ γαβε νυγθ βεττες τθαξ μογαζιμτες βεγαυσ>> there is more training input.
>
> Haha, yes.  ¨Βτθεοςω>
> But in practice why are gmailers complaining about spam
> on ruby-talk?

Not working for Google I can't but guess, but my belief is that it's
one or both of:

1) Gmail's spam filtering see's the spamassassin headers added by the
gateway and uses that to augment it's own ratings.  Since SpamAssassin
marks it clean, gmail thinks it is clean too.

2) Gmail believes that mail sent via a mailing list has a lower
likelihood of being spam since most lists nowadays are closed and
spammers generally don't bother subscribing and this skews the ratings
sufficiently that it isn't marked as spam.

As for training gmail, yes I do that.  I can't say it really helps.
I'd say 99% of the spam which reaches my inbox is via the ruby-talk
list even though ruby-talk spam is only 1-2% of the spam in my spam
folder.  Also, earlier in the thread were were told NOT to do that
because it generates problems for the list maintainer... I'm not sure
why that is true though.

For those who want to read via NNTP, couldn't they subscribe and turn
off delivery?  That way they can read via news and we'd still have a
way to authenticate their posts.  Also, I know the svn users list is
open, but they have a pool of mods who approve messages to keep spam
off the lists.


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