>> > And you're not going to get anywhere by acting as if significant > indentation is a must-have for Ruby or any other language. I never said it was. In fact, in my response to you I didn't mention significant indentation at all. I disagreed with the current anti- conciseness arguments. I suggested that if you want to argue against a language feature then you need stronger arguments than terse is hard to read. Possibly the problem is the term terse is being used incorrectly. It doesn't mean hard to read. Terse may mean "smoothly elegant, neat, clean, easy to understand, or even brusque. But it doesn't mean hard to read. I'm perfectly happy if you have good arguments against any particular language feature including significant indentation. I'll be happy to agree with your criticisms If I can find some validity in them. I don't own stock in any language features. I am a bit intrigued by these indentation ideas though. In both human and computer languages we tend to shorten things that we use often -- even if it makes them irregular. The 'end' word is one of the most common things in Ruby. Possibly the most common line in Ruby contains nothing but 'end'. It's perfectly reasonable to think about the possibility of shortening it.