On May 20, 2009, at 5:41 PM, Gregory Brown wrote:

> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Juan Zanos  
> <juan_zanos / talkhouse.com> wrote:
>
>
>> I'm saying that when all other factors are held  constant more  
>> lines is
>> less readable.  Your arguments ignore that and only place value on
>> editors and project management when the extra lines exist and
>> not when they don't.   That's not a level playing field.
>
> You're right.   I should note that better design also mitigates most
> of the concerns about the problems of whitespace significance (for
> me).
> But that doesn't invalidate my feeling that this whole stirrup about
> 'readability' is a straw man at best, and an indication of a poor
> ability to write clean code without extra help at worst.

So you have better designs compared to those who seek further  
conciseness in a language.  If only those folks of poor ability could  
design so well as you.