These concerns are exactly the ones I was asked at the first two companies where I wrote ruby. They are valid concerns and whilst they didn't prevent me from using ruby they certainly influenced my career sucess. Managing these forces requires skill at persuasion and marketing, a lical track record, and good luck. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 30, 2008, at 9:19 PM, Steven D'Aprano <steve / REMOVE-THIS-cybersource.com.au > wrote: > On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 07:36:03 -0800, Phlip wrote: > >>> If you supply services to corporates, what sort of case can you make >>> for using Ruby rather than Java, which is in use everywhere? (I'm >>> not >>> thinking of Rails here, which is a rather specialized). >> >> If "services" is a web api, why should they care what language you >> wrote >> an application in? > > Put yourself in the shoes of the company paying for the software. > There > are many reasons why you should care about the language it is > written in. > > Does the language make it easy or difficult to write correct code? How > easy is it to maintain later? > > If the original developer gets hit by a bus, can you get somebody to > replace him easily? What if he turns out to be a real prima donna, or > gets bored halfway through the project and leaves? Is there is a > shortage > of developers in this language? Are you going to be reliant on a > single > lone-cowboy, or even a single company? What is the learning curve to > train somebody new in the language? Is there a steady stream of new > developers learning this language so you can maintain it years from > now? > > If (when) the project goes over-budget and late, can you prove that > you > used industry standard practices? If you use some weird language > nobody > has heard of, and things go bad, will you be blamed for choosing a > toy or > experimental language not up to the job? Can you say, "anyone else > would > have made the same choice"? > > In five years time, or ten, will the chosen language still be > supported > and updated? Will there be security patches, or will it be abandoned? > > > Generally, corporations are risk-averse. Their decisions are made > more on > the basis of "What if this goes wrong?" rather than "What's the best > that > can happen?". If you're risk-adverse, you're expecting that the > project > will end up late, over-budget or missing features, and let's face > it, IT > projects are notorious for doing all three. The IT world is full of > people who will promise you the world, and then fail to deliver. > Imagine > you're not a developer yourself, or your only development experience > was > a bit of VB ten years ago, and maybe a few Excel macros. Why should > you > believe these brash young kids with their Ruby or Haskell or Python? > Talk > is cheap, and it's not their money being spent. > > > That's the *rational* reasons. Of course there are plenty of > irrational > reasons too. But if you can't make the case for Ruby against the > rational > concerns, you certainly won't be able to get past the irrational ones. > > > > -- > Steven >