On 26.12.2008 10:43, Robert Dober wrote: > I would very much welcome a set of guaranteed-thread-safe wrapper >> collections folks could use if they're concerned about concurrency, since it >> would be unreasonable to penalize all code with locking. For now, learn and >> love Mutex, or don't share collections across threads. > > That sounds like a fun job. The issue goes well with a question which > burns on the top of my tongue: > How to test thread issues? I do not have any experience in this field > but consider it somehow critical before "promising" functional thread > safe wrappers. This is tricky. There are few things I'd like to say to this: first, there is an easy way to provide _basic_ thread safety by wrapping all method calls in a synchronized block - for this even a SynchronizedDelegator would be sufficient which could be used for _all_ classes - not just collections. In this case, because of the way the wrapping is done there is no need to test thread safety because - as long as the delegator ensures that all methods are wrapped in this way there is no chance of corrupting internal state. But, in the general case thread safety cannot be achieved on the class level. My typical example is this if hash.contains_key? k dat = hash[k] else dat = create_dat(k) hash[k] = dat end The basic property of this bit of code which makes it impossible to ensure thread safety on level of class Hash is that there are two methods invoked on the same instance and there must not be any state change between them because then you either end up with garbage (nil) in "dat" or you invoke create_dat(k) more than once per key value and this leads to different threads having a different idea of what hash[k] is. So in this case you need a lock around the _complete_ block of code. (Note, the method level lock would work if using a Hash with a default block, but this solves only a small portion of the cases.) This is also the reason why a general per method locking is only of limited use. It only ensures consistency of the internal state of an object but can never ensure overall concurrency correctness of an application. Testing thread safety is difficult to impossible for several reasons. One of the reasons is that for proper control of the test case you would need to ensure exact timing of thread execution. While you could do that I have never seen people actually doing this - maybe because this will make test suites run much slower. Another reason is that you vastly depend on the underlying machine (i.e. hardware, OS and VM). I have seen Java programs break as soon as they were executed on a multi core machine with more than n cores. Things aren't made easier by the fact that - concluding from postings I see on comp.lang.java.* newsgroups for example - few people seem to have a thorough understanding of concurrency and all the issues involved. Another item on the "makes it hard" list is the fact that most OO and procedural languages only have a very basic toolkit for concurrency control; while Java started out pretty good with built in "synchronized" it took until version 5 that they incorporated Doug Lea's concurrency utilities into the language's standard library and also into the EJB spec. It's different in other programming languages: functional languages are by definition thread safe because they are free of side effects. (At least in theory. :-)) Also, other languages built for concurrent applications which have a different programming model (e.g. Occam) of course have much better support for concurrency. Kind regards robert -- remember.guy do |as, often| as.you_can - without end